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[xault]

Hello, long time listener just wanted to ask about these 2 guys and what everyone thinks about them. I think Zherdev has a ton of upside and shoots right, as long as he can get his head out of his.... Emery is a pretty legit goalie atlest to back up Howard. I won't pretend to know how much they are both worth but do you guys think we can or should try to sign them both or let alone one of them? Sorry if this has arleady been discuss.

[dirtydangles]

id be okay with taking a chance on either of these guys. i know a lot of people here don't like the idea of zherdev due to his past rep, but i think he could be a good project for us. would be an upgrade on hudler imo. STATS aside he provides:

Right hand shot
Size (6'2)
And at least as much skill as huds has.

Those things alone make him worth a shot. if he wasn't bringing anything new to the team I would say no, but i think he could be a great bargain. A Z-D-Z line would be cool to put on the ice from time to time.

[hockey23]

I don't really like Zherdev, but it would be stupid not to sign someone and not use the cap space.

[13dangledangle]

I dont know Zherdev all that well but from what Ive heard it's not good...However with the candor of the Red Wings could this alter his attitude? Or could the Dazzeling Datsyukian dekes humble him just enough to give us a chance to mold him some? I think so imo, and I love Emery as well, he plays with raw emotion and plays really well (most of the time).....he could also be our enforcer. I love fighting goalies!

[hooon]

Here we go....


Its been debated ad nauseum, but IMO, Zherdev is terrible.

He is lazy, has an awful attitude (from what I've heard), no work ethic, is thrown around from team to team (what does that tell you?), beats his wife, and plays absolutely no defense whatsoever.

We already have one lazy underperforming forward that we can't get rid of.... why add another? Especially when we already have more than enough forwards.




As far as Emery, he showed some promise last year, but seems like way too much of a gamble given his health and attitude.


Edit: And welcome!

Edited by hooon, 03 July 2011 - 11:09 PM.

[GSBrooks13]

Zherdev seems to have that top level skill but an attitude problem.. but all that said I would love to see him on a line with Dats.

And I have always liked Emery but I think hes probably gonna hold out to see if he can find somewhere with a better chance to compete for #1,

[xault]

Ya I know Zherdev problems are pretty bad just hoping we could fix that here.

[krsmith17]

First of all, I'm extremely pissed right now because I thought this was was a rumor of somthing that was possibly in the works with Ken Holland rather than just an idea of some random dude... But YES, Zherdev would be a great addition! I have wanted this guy from day one, he has unbelievable skill and would be amazing playing alongside Datsyuk.

Don't mind all the haters on here that claim that he is a "cancer" in the locker room or any of that other bullsh!t. Yes, I know he has had his problems with other teams but that is no reason not to give him a look. It wouldn't be the first guy we took a gamble on that worked out... Dan Cleary had a terrible attitude, absolutely no work ethic, caused all kinds of problems with coaches and teammates and had a drinking problem.... we took him on a one year tryout, and he started hanging out and training with guys like Chelios and he completely turned his game and attitude around... Now Cleary is one of the hardest working individuals on the team and is mentoring our younger guys and trying to help them out the same way he was helped by the vets when he came to Detroit. Who's to say that can't happen with a guy like Zherdev, working with guys like Pav, Hank, Cleary... and being coached by one of the best in the game Mike Babcock...

Great idea, and go get 'er done Kenny!

As for Emery, the only problem I have is his injury problems, I'd rather take on a guy like Conklin that is familiar with our system or even take a gamble on Ozzie for another season for that matter....

[brett]

Like I said in another thread, Yes hes lazy and lacks effort. What team that he was a part of was going to change that? CBJ? Flyers?

Wings could probably make him a better player.He has the skills. I would most def give him the chance for under 2mil.

[hooon]

Getting tired of everyone saying the Wings are soo great at taking lazy players and making them great.

Why haven't we done that with Hudler? Why couldn't we do that with Leino, Lang, Williams, etc?

People see his moves on youtube and automatically assume he'd be some magical fit with Datsyuk. The guy has been benched nearly half his career, doesn't that tell you something?

He is the polar opposite player type that the Wings look for and find success with.

[echos myron]

It's up to the player whether they want to turn it around or not. Guys like Cleary came in and were determined to work hard and make the team. Zherdev has shown none of this in the past, and it's not totally unreasonable to assume that he wouldn't with the Wings either.

[xault]

I was just looking at the FA list of players that are left thats all and them 2 stuck out the most to me. But thanks for all the feed back. I would of ask about Anton Babchuk also but I don't think Ken is out to get another D after picking up Ian White.

[T-Ruff]

Both of these guys would come on the cheap and on 1 year deals... I'd do it for sure

[Red Wings Addict]

How could you not feel even a little sense of concern when you consider his reputation? With that alone, you get the impression that Kenny won't sniff anywhere near a guy like that.

At the same time, IF Kenny manages to get a guy like him then you might think that he's willing to get better as an NHL player.

Because can't he just go back to KHL if he's just looking for someone to cut the check? Or does he have a crazy reputation there too?

[Crymson]

As has been noted, being on the Wings is not a cure-all for bad attitude, laziness and incompetence defensively. Clearly Robert Lang was never a hard worker in his 2+ seasons with the team. It never changed.

Zherdev is a dickhead. That's why he shouldn't be on this team. Many of you underestimate the importance of having harmony in the locker room.

[echos myron]

As has been noted, being on the Wings is not a cure-all for bad attitude, laziness and incompetence defensively. Clearly Robert Lang was never a hard worker in his 2+ seasons with the team. It never changed.

Zherdev is a dickhead. That's why he shouldn't be on this team. Many of you underestimate the importance of having harmony in the locker room.

Nuh uh, playing for Detroit automatically makes you a perfect fifth. Are you trying to say he's a diminished fifth?

[Crymson]

It wouldn't be the first guy we took a gamble on that worked out... Dan Cleary had a terrible attitude, absolutely no work ethic, caused all kinds of problems with coaches and teammates and had a drinking problem.... we took him on a one year tryout, and he started hanging out and training with guys like Chelios and he completely turned his game and attitude around... Now Cleary is one of the hardest working individuals on the team and is mentoring our younger guys and trying to help them out the same way he was helped by the vets when he came to Detroit. Who's to say that can't happen with a guy like Zherdev, working with guys like Pav, Hank, Cleary... and being coached by one of the best in the game Mike Babcock...

Great idea, and go get 'er done Kenny!

Cleary's attitude changed before he tried out for the team. He attributes this to meeting his wife. The fact that he was on the verge of having no work in the NHL no doubt also played a part. He made the team because he worked hard and was willing to grind to the limit. His turnaround had little to do with joining the team.

[krsmith17]

Cleary's attitude changed before he tried out for the team. He attributes this to meeting his wife. The fact that he was on the verge of having no work in the NHL no doubt also played a part. He made the team because he worked hard and was willing to grind to the limit. His turnaround had little to do with joining the team.

LOL Crymson you are such a f*ckin clown... you think you know everything about everything and you definitely don't... I think it's pretty sad actually... you state every one of your opinions as fact, just because you say something doesn't make it true...

Let me tell ya somethin, your statement above is purely speculation just like everything else you are saying about Zherdev. However, what I said about Cleary and all the problems he had before he came to Detroit, and how he credits Chelios and a couple other guys on the team to turning his life around is fact. I live a half hour from his parents place (where he grew up) and my cousin is good buddies with him, grew up with him, through school, right through minor hockey, and still trains with him every summer. I've met Cleary several times and no, he didn't personally tell me all his personal sh!t but he's after telling my cousin many times, so what you're trying to say about him changing before he joined the team and it having nothing to do with the team is way off base. Stop trying to act like you know everything, and unless you have the facts shut the f*ck up...

Oh, and as for Zherdev not working out on this team... it is once again pure speculation... I'm not saying he would definitely work out play alongside Pav and Hank but I don't see the harm in signing a guy with his talent and potential to a one year contract at under $2mil...

[nuts2u]

Possible 60 points for less than 2M, why not take a chance? You never know if a guy can get his head on straight if you don't take that chance. If it doesn't work out you send his ass to Grand Rapids or tell him to GO HOME AND STAY THERE.

[Drake_Marcus]

LOL Crymson you are such a f*ckin clown... you think you know everything about everything and you definitely don't... I think it's pretty sad actually... you state every one of your opinions as fact, just because you say something doesn't make it true...

Let me tell ya somethin, your statement above is purely speculation just like everything else you are saying about Zherdev. However, what I said about Cleary and all the problems he had before he came to Detroit, and how he credits Chelios and a couple other guys on the team to turning his life around is fact. I live a half hour from his parents place (where he grew up) and my cousin is good buddies with him, grew up with him, through school, right through minor hockey, and still trains with him every summer. I've met Cleary several times and no, he didn't personally tell me all his personal sh!t but he's after telling my cousin many times, so what you're trying to say about him changing before he joined the team and it having nothing to do with the team is way off base. Stop trying to act like you know everything, and unless you have the facts shut the f*ck up...

Oh, and as for Zherdev not working out on this team... it is once again pure speculation... I'm not saying he would definitely work out play alongside Pav and Hank but I don't see the harm in signing a guy with his talent and potential to a one year contract at under $2mil...

Actually Crymson is right. I remember reading that he attributed his attitude change to his wife and the situation he was in (no one wanted to sign him). When Chelios convinced the Wings to give Cleary a shot in training camp he was already determined to work his ass off. No doubt the Wings locker room was a stabilizing influence, though.

Possible 60 points for less than 2M, why not take a chance? You never know if a guy can get his head on straight if you don't take that chance. If it doesn't work out you send his ass to Grand Rapids or tell him to GO HOME AND STAY THERE.

With the bitching people do about Hudler I can't imagine what they'd say about Zherdev. He's softer than Hudler despite being a big guy (I can't blame a 5'9 guy for being a bit soft but when you're 6'2 200lb there's zero excuse). And he's mind-numbingly inconsistent and lazy. There's a reason why he's bounced around looking for a home.