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#41 Nev

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 10:54 AM

Schneider
Lang
Williams
Leino
Hudler

I think these are the types of players who would complain. They wouldn't play like Babcock wanted (i.e., feet moving, responsible defensively and 100% effort). And because of that, Babcock was colder to them. So, of course they're going to complain. Funny thing is, the type of player who would complains is exactly the type of player Babcock doesn't like.

I'm sure Datsyuk and Zetterberg think Babcock is pretty harsh sometimes. But, they understand that what he's trying to do is helping them and the team, so they just listen and never complain. As a result, Babcock has utmost trust and respect for them in return.



I have no doubt that there are ex-wings and ex-ducks around the NHL who hate Babcock for precisely the reasons already stated. And I have no doubt that UFAs who are looking for an easy paycheck for no effort would want to avoid Babs and the Wings.

What is interesting is guys like Hudler. Remember when he used to be a 4th liner and was putting up points every night, Babcock's response was to bust his ass every night to the media and continue to limit his minutes. Why? To push him to be better. Conversely, when Hudler got back from a year of snorting coke off of eastern european hookers and had a confidence level lower than a snakes belly what does Babcock do? Whilst LGW was going nuts calling for Hudler to be flogged till his play improved, Babcock continued to play him, even putting him on the first line, until Hudlers confidence and numbers returned.

I reckon he learned something when he was doing that Sports Physchology degree ;)
"If I can be totally honest, it's not a lot of guys you get impressed by. Actually, it's no one else but him. From the bench, to see what move he makes -- you're like, 'I wish I could do that.' Sometimes you sit on the bench and just think, 'wow,' and you look over to the other bench and they sit there and shake their heads, too. He has great, great skills. I'm probably not going to play with another player who has the kind of skills he has." Mikael Samuelsson on Pavel Datsyuk

#42 Jasper84

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 12:02 PM

Yes, I would trust this much more than someone saying "a buddy of mine said" without having specifics on where it's coming from. Without sighting sources, that's as good as me saying that a buddy of mine told me that ex-players are bad mouthing Babs for his penchant for wearing a pink tutu & tiara in the locker room before games.


Thats great that you trust that more, I would too if I was in your shoes. But again, I did not post this to make anyone believe anything, I did not mention any player names. I simply asked a question wanting to know if anyone else has ever heard of anything like what I had just learned, which I have said several times in this thread already.

If I was making this post to make Babs sound like a bad coach or whatever it is that a few of you keep thinking by asking for a source, then I would have mentioned the players but I did not because that's not what I was doing and the player's names do not matter, so my source does not matter.

I never start threads on this forum because of this reason here, there is always people that have a complaint even though my post was just a question I had our of curiosity. After getting a bunch of minuses, having at least three people in the thread complain about what I say and on top of that have a few people send me private messages arguing with me about me HAVING to tell them my source, I regret ever asking this question and if I knew a way to get my thread deleted completely to avoid all this, I would.

#43 pucktividi

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 01:41 PM

Babs must be a type of coach you hate when you're a young player,but later as a veteran suddenly start to admire and be thankful for every minute under his lead.

Edited by pucktividi, 06 July 2011 - 05:57 PM.


#44 MacK_Attack

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 01:49 PM

Detroit hopes to have its assistant coaches in place by the end of the week. We may be in for a surprise.


http://twitter.com/#!/DarrenDreger/status/88679794992091136

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 01:51 PM

http://twitter.com/#!/DarrenDreger/status/88679794992091136


Just saw that. I'm really intrigued now to see who these coaches might be.

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 01:55 PM

http://twitter.com/#!/DarrenDreger/status/88679794992091136


Well of course we might be surprised, Dreger... Stop messing with our heads and give us a hint! :lol:

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 02:13 PM

Well of course we might be surprised, Dreger... Stop messing with our heads and give us a hint! :lol:

I put in my resume to them when McCrimmon left... still waiting for my call back...

All I have to say about Holland and our off-season:

Here in this thread

Here in this one as well

Here in this one too

and finally

Here


Holland is a damn good GM. period.


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Posted 06 July 2011 - 02:56 PM

Just saw this on mlive

Assistant coaching search
The Red Wings hope to fill their two assistant coaching vacancies by the end of the week.

Coach Mike Babcock has been speaking mostly to younger candidates who have coached in the AHL, college or the major junior ranks.

There is a chance their new assistant coaches will not have coached or played in the NHL.

"Think young, hungry guys, aggressive guys that want to be (like) Mike Babcock four years from now," said one person familiar with the search.

I'm not sure what to think about this, interesting for sure.

Even more news: http://www.mlive.com...a_finalist.html

Edited by Detroit # 1 Fan, 06 July 2011 - 03:56 PM.

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#49 IllinoisRedWingsFan

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Posted 07 July 2011 - 12:19 AM

Wasn't the Primeau/Coffey trade what got us Brendan Shanahan? Also Thank God for Mrs. I killing it.

fact is Yzerman did not buy into Scotty's system early on, so much that Scotty had him traded to the Senators for Alexi Yashin after the 1994 San Jose Sharks debacle after they were swept in 1995. Mrs I stepped in and nixed the trade...Then Yzerman started buying into the system and the rest is history. NO, I do not have any links to when and at what moment Yzerman bought in to his system, or if he and Scotty hated each other, but the trade was a fact, Steve Yzerman for Alexi Yashin (those were the main guys) and it's not like Scotty hasn't had a history of dealing away STAR players when he thought that they weren't right for "HIS" team. Dino Ciccarelli, Keith Primeau, Paul Coffey (on more than one occasion.)

As a matter of fact I found this little bit of info...

On February 26, 1996 the following trade was sent to the league offices (and to all teams)

Steve Yzerman and Chris Osgood to Ottawa
Alexei Yashin, Damian Rhodes, Ottawa's first round pick in 1996 and 1997.


edit: I correct my error on when he was "traded." I also read that prior to Yzerman "changing" his game, Scotty used to call him a GD Prima donna...







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