Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted July 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Euro_Twins said: Omg the whining on here from veteran posters everytime some team gets a player is out of hand. Quit crying, if you cant tell yet yzerman doesnt plan for us to be good for 2 years. He signed all 1 and 2 year garbage players. Then most bad contracts will be off the books except dekeyser, nielson, and abby. Dont expect any big trades or free agents. We have to wait for contracts to expire and in the meantime we will tank for some top picks. 2 years from now we will have the makings of a potential dynasty. But hey we didnt get a guy who's never played an nhl game before. Who would you say whined? 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted July 30, 2019 11 hours ago, LeftWinger said: I'm becoming very disappointed in our "rebuild" off season. This would've totally been worth giving up for Gusev. I don't like that Yzerman has not been involved with anything like this. I don't like that all three of Daley, Ericsson and Green are still on the team. I like that he hasn't traded any of our "core" but a draft pick or two wouldn't hurt our rebuild. Here's to hoping something good happens to generate excitement, because so far it's Holland 2.0...not excited at all. No successful rebuild takes one off season. I wish we would've got Gusev too but we don't know any behind the scenes involvement. Daley and Ericsson should be off the team for sure. But they don't HAVE to be. We don't need the extra cap space yet and it's not worth giving up assets, in a trade or in future cap space because of a buyout, just to clear the roster spot for a young guy.. Which is all it would be doing. If a young guy earns the spot, he'll have it. In the long run, it's much more worth benching them and waiting out their contracts than getting rid of them right now. 1 LeftWinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted July 30, 2019 Speaking of the Devils great off season.. They still have 12 mill in cap space after signing Gusev Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted July 30, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, amato said: No successful rebuild takes one off season. I wish we would've got Gusev too but we don't know any behind the scenes involvement. Daley and Ericsson should be off the team for sure. But they don't HAVE to be. We don't need the extra cap space yet and it's not worth giving up assets, in a trade or in future cap space because of a buyout, just to clear the roster spot for a young guy.. Which is all it would be doing. If a young guy earns the spot, he'll have it. In the long run, it's much more worth benching them and waiting out their contracts than getting rid of them right now. this is true, we don't NEED to clear cap space, plus we have about $10M in LTIR in our pockets to potentially use as well. But for me, it's about getting young talented players in here when they are available. But like you said, we don't know behind the scenes. Gusev had no control as to where he went, but Yzerman drafted him, Gusev opted for the KHL, and also traded his rights to Vegas, so maybe Yzerman didn't want him here. Just as long as the better player gets the spot, it'll be fine. I do not like the tank, it doesn't work. I just hope that two or three young players beat out some of these vets, then maybe we'll see some justified benching and/or waivers. @Euro_Twins Nobody is really whining, just would like to see us acquire young talented players that are available to help our rebuild. We don't know the relationship between Yzerman and Gusev, so the point is moot, but even though in two years we'll be without Green, Ericsson, Daley, Helm ( I think he gets re-signed though) Howard, Flip, disney.com and Nemeth, acquiring a player today that could be part of our rebuild doesn't hurt. If we made that deal for Gusev, it would not have hurt our rebuild in any way. We'd still have spots for kids, we'd still have over $10M in cap (via LTIR) if needed, we'd still have plenty of money to re-sign AA, Mantha and Bertuzzi next summer. It would've just added another talented young player to that mix. That's all we are saying. In other news, the Jackets have over $15M in cap space open, why hasn't Werenski signed yet? They cannot be seriously trying to low-ball him can they? He's worth every penny of $8M+. I am a player in a deal if the Jackets want to talk! AA, Berggren, 2020 1st (lottery protected to 2021) is my first offer. (and you guys know I LOVE AA.) Also, wonder what the dealings between Winnipeg and Laine are going like? You would think they'd want that kid re-signed as soon as possible! There are actually some interesting RFA's still out there unsigned. Edited July 30, 2019 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted July 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, LeftWinger said: this is true, we don't NEED to clear cap space, plus we have about $10M in LTIR in our pockets to potentially use as well. But for me, it's about getting young talented players in here when they are available. But like you said, we don't know behind the scenes. Gusev had no control as to where he went, but Yzerman drafted him, Gusev opted for the KHL, and also traded his rights to Vegas, so maybe Yzerman didn't want him here. Just as long as the better player gets the spot, it'll be fine. I do not like the tank, it doesn't work. I just hope that two or three young players beat out some of these vets, then maybe we'll see some justified benching and/or waivers. @Euro_Twins Nobody is really whining, just would like to see us acquire young talented players that are available to help our rebuild. We don't know the relationship between Yzerman and Gusev, so the point is moot, but even though in two years we'll be without Green, Ericsson, Daley, Helm ( I think he gets re-signed though) Howard, Flip, disney.com and Nemeth, acquiring a player today that could be part of our rebuild doesn't hurt. If we made that deal for Gusev, it would not have hurt our rebuild in any way. We'd still have spots for kids, we'd still have over $10M in cap (via LTIR) if needed, we'd still have plenty of money to re-sign AA, Mantha and Bertuzzi next summer. It would've just added another talented young player to that mix. That's all we are saying. In other news, the Jackets have over $15M in cap space open, why hasn't Werenski signed yet? They cannot be seriously trying to low-ball him can they? He's worth every penny of $8M+. I am a player in a deal if the Jackets want to talk! AA, Berggren, 2020 1st (lottery protected to 2021) is my first offer. (and you guys know I LOVE AA.) Underlined: exactly, that's very possible. Bolded: I agree 100%. Hopefully some of the younger d-men are ready. I think Hronek will be up to start the year for sure, baring a terrible camp/preseason or injury. I'm hoping sometime throughout the year Cholowski plays his way into the lineup but I don't think he'll start there. If Seider starts in Grand Rapids, I could see him playing his way onto the team for at least a short trial, especially with a couple injuries. and RE: Werenski... it sounds like a lot of teams are waiting to sign RFAs until Marner signs and sets the market. This probably has more to do with forwards but I guess it kind of makes sense. Either way, it doesn't sound like it'll be an issue for them to get him signed before the year starts. If they want to trade him, they'd have 30 phone calls Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted July 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, amato said: Underlined: exactly, that's very possible. Bolded: I agree 100%. Hopefully some of the younger d-men are ready. I think Hronek will be up to start the year for sure, baring a terrible camp/preseason or injury. I'm hoping sometime throughout the year Cholowski plays his way into the lineup but I don't think he'll start there. If Seider starts in Grand Rapids, I could see him playing his way onto the team for at least a short trial, especially with a couple injuries. Yes, I believe Hronek is here for sure. They have already been reports that Cholowski was told by Yzerman that he needs to work on his D-zone, so that pretty much tells us he is in GR to start, and probably for most of the year. I'd like to see a couple of others (who regularly out-play the vets in the pre-season) make the club. Hicketts and Saarijarvi being two of them. I also hope Kaski outplays as well. IMO, all four of these guys deserve a spot over Ericsson, Daley and Green, especially if this truly is a "tank" year, then why not give your kids a true legit shot to prove they are NHL players? I know Hicketts has been around for some years and may not be a regular NHL guy, but IMO he is a better choice than those 3 vets, unless of course Green is 100% healthy, then he can be kept. But in reality,I think we are just going to see Hronek up here along with Nemeth and Bowey rounding out the 7 D. Up front is pretty much set, we have 12 now, I think you are only going to see Hirose and Kuffner (or Ehn) up here to start. I still think they are gong to keep Zadina in GR. Maybe he'll come in and command a spot though. So even if that happens, I think Zadina and Hirose are they guys. I know Smith says this is his year, but he has a hard road to climb, plus Turgeon is no longer waiver eligible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,014 Report post Posted July 30, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, amato said: Weird deal. Edited July 30, 2019 by The 91 of Ryans Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted July 30, 2019 30 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Weird deal. was thinking the same thing. would think the sens could get a little more than moving from an early 6th rounder to a late 5th for taking that cap hit.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted July 30, 2019 Isn't Callahan LTIR eligible? LTIR doesn't begin until regular season start, so I would assume this is making off season cap space for a Point signing. That said, even though Cally won't count against their cap, seems like a lot of real dollar salary to take on to move up 30 places in the late rounds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted July 30, 2019 33 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Isn't Callahan LTIR eligible? LTIR doesn't begin until regular season start, so I would assume this is making off season cap space for a Point signing. That said, even though Cally won't count against their cap, seems like a lot of real dollar salary to take on to move up 30 places in the late rounds. This is a back scratch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted July 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said: This is a back scratch. Considering future back scratches 1 Jonas Mahonas reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted July 30, 2019 It appears the Marleau's have adopted Marner... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted July 31, 2019 Holland is probably asking too much in trade for him as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwedeLundin77 460 Report post Posted August 1, 2019 Kevin Shattenkirk (30) will be bought out by the Rangers. http://kuklaskorner.com/hockey/comments/kevin-shattenkirk-will-be-bought-out-by-the-new-york-rangers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted August 1, 2019 1 hour ago, SwedeLundin77 said: Kevin Shattenkirk (30) will be bought out by the Rangers. http://kuklaskorner.com/hockey/comments/kevin-shattenkirk-will-be-bought-out-by-the-new-york-rangers 4 year buyout length. $1.5 mil hit every year, except year two which is $6 mil!!! No doubt NY needs the money. Maybe Stephen can sign him for cheap to run the PP Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted August 1, 2019 2 hours ago, SwedeLundin77 said: Kevin Shattenkirk (30) will be bought out by the Rangers. http://kuklaskorner.com/hockey/comments/kevin-shattenkirk-will-be-bought-out-by-the-new-york-rangers Sign me up for a year or two. I've always liked him, he was just overpaid because free agency. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted August 1, 2019 Wow - wasn't too many years ago Shattenkirk was a 40 plus pts right handed Dman...I wouldn't mind seeing Yzerman offering him a 1 to 3 year deal for a few million. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted August 1, 2019 16 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: 4 year buyout length. $1.5 mil hit every year, except year two which is $6 mil!!! No doubt NY needs the money. Maybe Stephen can sign him for cheap to run the PP Umm - Stephen? From this point forth...He will be known as 'Grand Master Y'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted August 1, 2019 I'd be all for signing Shatty and Gardiner and cut ties with Ericsson and Daley. 1 F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted August 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, LeftWinger said: I'd be all for signing Shatty and Gardiner and cut ties with Ericsson and Daley. Would def be an upgrade - however in a few seasons Shatty/Gardiner would probably become the next Ericsson/Daley... 2 krsmith17 and Akakabuto reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted August 1, 2019 (edited) Daley and Ericsson buyout details. Offer Shatty and Gardiner BOTH 2 years $3M. With these two buyout, we'd only have to dip a little into LTIR, plus you never know what if happening with Green so, signing these two will help for sure. Also, we will be sending ONE G to GR, so that will lift us back out of LTIR funds. We know this isn't happening, but it sure would generate some excitement around here. On 8/1/2019 at 4:19 PM, F.Michael said: Would def be an upgrade - however in a few seasons Shatty/Gardiner would probably become the next Ericsson/Daley... I give them a 2 year contract max. If they want a NTC to entice them some, I'd give them a full one through season 1, then have them make team lists for season 2. Edited January 7, 2021 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted August 4, 2019 17 hours ago, krsmith17 said: Let's do this! Holland likes our team, he can have all his loyal vets! 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
