nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted September 23, 2019 41 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Cool. How many points does he need to score to be worth a second rounder? 12 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: 12 So in your mind Joakim Nordstrom, Marcus Kruger, and Riley Nash are all worth 2nd rounders? Don't think I'd trade a 7th for any one of them... Not sure I'd personally give up a 2nd for Boyle, but at least he was on pace for 33 pts when NJD traded him to Nashville last year. Edited September 23, 2019 by ChristopherReevesLegs 1 nyqvististhefuture reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted September 23, 2019 10 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said: 20-30 at his position in your opinion , don’t make it sound like it’s a fact ... he’s played zero games and I know what your trying to do with kakko which is a bad example , don’t try and pretend to lie to yourself and us and say you’d take gusev over kakko ..... we’re a rebuilding team we obviously would be ranking younger guys with huge upside over a guy who’s close to 30 drake batherson 20 yr old kid with 20 nhl games , or gusev 27 yr old with 0 games , gimme batherson any day I was referring to point production, since that's what we were talking about... IF Gusev potted 50 points last season, he would have ranked 20-30 at his position. Same would apply for this season, and next. I'm not sure why that's so difficult for you to grasp... I never said or implied that I would take Gusev over Kakko... I was just pointing out how dumb your "0 NHL games" argument is. Great players playing in the top European leagues usually translate well to the NHL. Sure, there's a chance he doesn't, and he's just a 20-30 point, 3rd line winger. But there's also a chance he becomes a 70 point top line winger. Most likely, he'll end up somewhere in the middle. That should be well worth a 2nd round pick to any team. In what world is a 27 year old too old to acquire by NHL standards? Assuming he pans out, and doesn't endure any major injuries, he will still be an effective player into his mid 30's. That's potentially 8 years of top line production that you don't want because 2nd round picks are apparently gold... I wasn't aware we could acquire Batherson for a 2nd round pick... We sure missed the boat on that one didn't we... 10 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said: and do you think he’d be sticking around ? Cause I don’t .... Yup And I know it’s not a popular opinion but I think when the time comes for yzerman to make a move AA will be gone , unless zadina,veleno,berggren and Hopefully our 2020 pick becomes a bust we won’t have enough spots in the top 6 so I think AA becomes expendable in a deal to get us better we’ll see what happens but that’s my opinion , that’s not even counting guys like mastrosimone with upside and if Svechnikov ever wakes up, if Erne has this untapped potential I keep seeing people say online ... bodies will be moved i wouldn’t give up the second I told you , we’re a rebuilding team and I’m looking ahead I don’t wanna draft a rasmussen next year so we can have a tingle in our ballsack cause we missed the playoffs by 10 pts instead of 22 We get it. Athanasiou is going to be traded in the next few years... He'll be expendable because we have sooo many players coming that will be so much better than him... Why are you just considering the top 6 though? Why not top 9? Contending teams roll three scoring lines, and that's what we need to strive for. If all those players you mention become as good or better than AA, we will have the best forward core in the entire league... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted September 23, 2019 2 hours ago, krsmith17 said: I was referring to point production, since that's what we were talking about... IF Gusev potted 50 points last season, he would have ranked 20-30 at his position. Same would apply for this season, and next. I'm not sure why that's so difficult for you to grasp... I never said or implied that I would take Gusev over Kakko... I was just pointing out how dumb your "0 NHL games" argument is. Great players playing in the top European leagues usually translate well to the NHL. Sure, there's a chance he doesn't, and he's just a 20-30 point, 3rd line winger. But there's also a chance he becomes a 70 point top line winger. Most likely, he'll end up somewhere in the middle. That should be well worth a 2nd round pick to any team. In what world is a 27 year old too old to acquire by NHL standards? Assuming he pans out, and doesn't endure any major injuries, he will still be an effective player into his mid 30's. That's potentially 8 years of top line production that you don't want because 2nd round picks are apparently gold... I wasn't aware we could acquire Batherson for a 2nd round pick... We sure missed the boat on that one didn't we... We get it. Athanasiou is going to be traded in the next few years... He'll be expendable because we have sooo many players coming that will be so much better than him... Why are you just considering the top 6 though? Why not top 9? Contending teams roll three scoring lines, and that's what we need to strive for. If all those players you mention become as good or better than AA, we will have the best forward core in the entire league... 6 forwards at 60 pts each. We just need 140 goals out of 17 other players to average 4 goals per game, lead the league, and win the cup. Simple plan. Dont know why you dont get it. Replace your 2nd leading scorer with 5 guys who score more. Easy peasy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted September 23, 2019 2 hours ago, krsmith17 said: I was referring to point production, since that's what we were talking about... IF Gusev potted 50 points last season, he would have ranked 20-30 at his position. Same would apply for this season, and next. I'm not sure why that's so difficult for you to grasp... I never said or implied that I would take Gusev over Kakko... I was just pointing out how dumb your "0 NHL games" argument is. Great players playing in the top European leagues usually translate well to the NHL. Sure, there's a chance he doesn't, and he's just a 20-30 point, 3rd line winger. But there's also a chance he becomes a 70 point top line winger. Most likely, he'll end up somewhere in the middle. That should be well worth a 2nd round pick to any team. In what world is a 27 year old too old to acquire by NHL standards? Assuming he pans out, and doesn't endure any major injuries, he will still be an effective player into his mid 30's. That's potentially 8 years of top line production that you don't want because 2nd round picks are apparently gold... I wasn't aware we could acquire Batherson for a 2nd round pick... We sure missed the boat on that one didn't we... We get it. Athanasiou is going to be traded in the next few years... He'll be expendable because we have sooo many players coming that will be so much better than him... Why are you just considering the top 6 though? Why not top 9? Contending teams roll three scoring lines, and that's what we need to strive for. If all those players you mention become as good or better than AA, we will have the best forward core in the entire league... Difficult to grasp lmao it’s called having a difference of opinion ... you can rank him at 20 or whatever you wanna say but like we’ve discussed there’s other things to consider such as being a complete player and age , anyways you wanna just look at points itself congrats “he’s a top 20 guy” My 0 nhl games played is just as ridiculous as your oh he’s amazing in Europe so he’ll be amazing here argument whos to say this 27 yr old was gonna stick around ?he was gonna sign a one year deal and test free agency and go for the biggest money available Batherson was brought up as being someone I’d rank higher than gusev on your famous list of top wingers plain and simple anyways I’m done with this stupid gusev bulls*** , you wanna annoint the guy already as some top player go ahead yes your right , AA and the forward group will remain untouched Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted September 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said: 6 forwards at 60 pts each. We just need 140 goals out of 17 other players to average 4 goals per game, lead the league, and win the cup. Simple plan. Dont know why you dont get it. Replace your 2nd leading scorer with 5 guys who score more. Easy peasy. Blues had 2 players over 60 pts this year. 2 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: Difficult to grasp lmao it’s called having a difference of opinion ... you can rank him at 20 or whatever you wanna say but like we’ve discussed there’s other things to consider such as being a complete player and age , anyways you wanna just look at points itself congrats “he’s a top 20 guy” My 0 nhl games played is just as ridiculous as your oh he’s amazing in Europe so he’ll be amazing here argument whos to say this 27 yr old was gonna stick around ?he was gonna sign a one year deal and test free agency and go for the biggest money available Batherson was brought up as being someone I’d rank higher than gusev on your famous list of top wingers plain and simple anyways I’m done with this stupid gusev bulls*** , you wanna annoint the guy already as some top player go ahead yes your right , AA and the forward group will remain untouched So you think Batherson is currently better than Gusev. This will be fun to watch. Who's to say Batherson is even gonna stick with Ottawa thou anyway? He's gonna test free agency and go for the biggest money available Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,749 Report post Posted September 23, 2019 Dubas head just exploded 1 2 ChristopherReevesLegs, krsmith17 and Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, nyqvististhefuture said: Difficult to grasp lmao it’s called having a difference of opinion ... you can rank him at 20 or whatever you wanna say but like we’ve discussed there’s other things to consider such as being a complete player and age , anyways you wanna just look at points itself congrats “he’s a top 20 guy” My 0 nhl games played is just as ridiculous as your oh he’s amazing in Europe so he’ll be amazing here argument whos to say this 27 yr old was gonna stick around ?he was gonna sign a one year deal and test free agency and go for the biggest money available Batherson was brought up as being someone I’d rank higher than gusev on your famous list of top wingers plain and simple anyways I’m done with this stupid gusev bulls*** , you wanna annoint the guy already as some top player go ahead yes your right , AA and the forward group will remain untouched Comprehension is hard... For the 5th time... Gusev would have been ranked in the top 20-30 in points IF he had scored 50 points last season. I am not talking about other intangibles he may or may not bring to the table. We were talking about points. That's it. By the way, based on the KHL to NHL point conversion, Gusev would have put up 80 points in 82 NHL games last season, so "50 points" is on the low-end of what we could expect from him. Every argument or "difference of opinion" you have with someone, you always back yourself into a corner and start strawmanning to nth degree... I never once said he would be "amazing in the NHL". The only argument I've ever made, is that taking a gamble on an elite KHL player costing only a 2nd round pick, is a no-brainer for everyone, except you apparently... He's signed for 2 years. If he's not going to stick around, and you would know that before the two years is up, you trade him, for likely a MUCH higher return than what you traded away to acquire him. Again, never said anything about "AA and the forward group remaining untouched"... I've actually advocated trading Athanasiou in the past. Keep up... 1 ChristopherReevesLegs reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted September 23, 2019 18 minutes ago, Akakabuto said: Dubas head just exploded We now go live to Patrik Laine... 1 3 krsmith17, ChristopherReevesLegs, GMRwings1983 and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,749 Report post Posted September 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dabura said: We now go live to Patrik Laine... Here's Rantanens reaction 2 krsmith17 and Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted September 23, 2019 My heart goes out to all the stupid young holdouts who play for stupid dumb teams. This is so sad. Alexa play sad trombone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted September 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, Dabura said: We now go live to Patrik Laine... Always wanted to reenact that scene in a crowded room. That and Heston's wonderful speech at the end of Soylent Green. 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted September 23, 2019 Just now, GMRwings1983 said: Always wanted to reenact that scene in a crowded room. That and Heston's wonderful speech at the end of Soylent Green. Back in college I tried to get a "guerilla theater" group together. The idea was we'd basically just do really elaborate flash mob stuff. Disney musical numbers, famous monologues. Never really got off the ground, sadly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Blues had 2 players over 60 pts this year. So you think Batherson is currently better than Gusev. This will be fun to watch. Who's to say Batherson is even gonna stick with Ottawa thou anyway? He's gonna test free agency and go for the biggest money available I think he will be better , how many times do I have to say that we’re a rebuilding team and I have my eyes towards the future and not just today, which we’re gonna win squat with gusev or no gusev batherson is 21 , he’ll be in Ottawa for at least another 6 years Edited September 23, 2019 by nyqvististhefuture Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,749 Report post Posted September 23, 2019 18 minutes ago, Dabura said: Back in college I tried to get a "guerilla theater" group together. The idea was we'd basically just do really elaborate flash mob stuff. Disney musical numbers, famous monologues. Never really got off the ground, sadly. geek 1 1 1 Dabura, ChristopherReevesLegs and Larkness Monster reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted September 23, 2019 46 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Comprehension is hard... For the 5th time... Gusev would have been ranked in the top 20-30 in points IF he had scored 50 points last season. I am not talking about other intangibles he may or may not bring to the table. We were talking about points. That's it. By the way, based on the KHL to NHL point conversion, Gusev would have put up 80 points in 82 NHL games last season, so "50 points" is on the low-end of what we could expect from him. Every argument or "difference of opinion" you have with someone, you always back yourself into a corner and start strawmanning to nth degree... I never once said he would be "amazing in the NHL". The only argument I've ever made, is that taking a gamble on an elite KHL player costing only a 2nd round pick, is a no-brainer for everyone, except you apparently... He's signed for 2 years. If he's not going to stick around, and you would know that before the two years is up, you trade him, for likely a MUCH higher return than what you traded away to acquire him. Again, never said anything about "AA and the forward group remaining untouched"... I've actually advocated trading Athanasiou in the past. Keep up... Apparently so you never said he’d be amazing yet according to your “khl to nhl conversions” he’s a top 10 nhl player lmao ... ya whatever you say anyways I’m done with all this nonsense , we’ve been through this s*** a while ago for what seemed to last forever and I’m not gonna through this bs everyday again cause he scored a f***en goal Keep up ha, sorry I try avoid reading whatever nonsense you have to say when possible laterz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted September 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Akakabuto said: geek For the record, I wasn't a drama kid. I honestly just wanted to f*** with people in elaborate ways. Sort of like the NHL lottery system. 1 Akakabuto reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Dabura said: Back in college I tried to get a "guerilla theater" group together. The idea was we'd basically just do really elaborate flash mob stuff. Disney musical numbers, famous monologues. Never really got off the ground, sadly. Exhibit A for why bullying is not only a good thing, but effective as well Edited September 23, 2019 by ChristopherReevesLegs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted September 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: I think he will be better , how many times do I have to say that we’re a rebuilding team and I have my eyes towards the future and not just today, which we’re gonna win squat with gusev or no gusev batherson is 21 , he’ll be in Ottawa for at least another 6 years IDK you keep saying it, despite no one asking or seemingly caring. Gusev is 27. He could be with NJD for another 8+ years. 4 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: Apparently so you never said he’d be amazing yet according to your “khl to nhl conversions” he’s a top 10 nhl player lmao ... ya whatever you say anyways I’m done with all this nonsense , we’ve been through this s*** a while ago for what seemed to last forever and I’m not gonna through this bs everyday again cause he scored a f***en goal Keep up ha, sorry I try avoid reading whatever nonsense you have to say when possible laterz Do you think NJD overpaid for Gusev? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted September 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Exhibit A for why bullying is not only a good thing, but effective as well Hey man, if you're content to live in a world without 15 people playing Reign in Blood on bagpipes in a Panera Bread, more power to you. Me personally, I'm not. I believe we can and must do better. Not just for ourselves, but for our children, and for our children's children. 1 ChristopherReevesLegs reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted September 23, 2019 12 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: you never said he’d be amazing yet according to your “khl to nhl conversions” he’s a top 10 nhl player lmao ... ya whatever you say Again with the straw man... I never said anything about that conversion rate making Gusev a top 10 player in the league... But yeah, I am the one that came up with all those hockey league scoring conversions... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,749 Report post Posted September 23, 2019 Adding good players on the cheap does in no way contradict looking to the future imho But you have to wonder why Vegas traded him though if he projects to be THAT good. Seems like there should be other pieces you can move to fit 4,500,000. 6 minutes ago, Dabura said: Hey man, if you're content to live in a world without 15 people playing Reign in Blood on bagpipes in a Panera Bread, more power to you. I'm sure we are all very fine. 1 ChristopherReevesLegs reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted September 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Akakabuto said: Adding good players on the cheap does in no way contradict looking to the future imho But you have to wonder why Vegas traded him though if he projects to be THAT good. Seems like there should be other pieces you can move to fit 4,500,000. Vegas didn't have the capspace and "liked their team". I believe they offered him $2 mil at 2 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted September 23, 2019 10 minutes ago, Akakabuto said: I'm sure we are all very fine. Cold, bro. Cold. This must be how Jesus felt when the Romans wouldn't let him play bagpipes. 2 Akakabuto and ChristopherReevesLegs reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,749 Report post Posted September 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dabura said: This must be how Jesus felt when the Romans wouldn't let him play bagpipes. I remember that part "And Jesus wept" - Gospel of Angus 11:35 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
