Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted September 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Of course he would... That would be a terrible trade for us... Luckily Yzerman isn't that dumb. I mean, I'm not advocating for it, but I'd at least consider it. They've put up similar numbers: https://www.nhl.com/player/jonathan-drouin-8477494 https://www.nhl.com/player/anthony-mantha-8477511 And Drouin is roughly a year and a half younger than Mantha. But Drouin's a punk and Mantha's found good chemistry with Larkin and Bertuzzi and it does feel like he's on the verge of breaking out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted September 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dabura said: I mean, I'm not advocating for it, but I'd at least consider it. They've put up similar numbers: https://www.nhl.com/player/jonathan-drouin-8477494 https://www.nhl.com/player/anthony-mantha-8477511 And Drouin is roughly a year and a half younger than Mantha. But Drouin's a punk and Mantha's found good chemistry with Larkin and Bertuzzi and it does feel like he's on the verge of breaking out. I get the impression that Drouin thinks he's better than what his stats show - add to that he apparently has issues with both his former, and current team...Me no likey-likey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted September 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, Dabura said: I mean, I'm not advocating for it, but I'd at least consider it. They've put up similar numbers: https://www.nhl.com/player/jonathan-drouin-8477494 https://www.nhl.com/player/anthony-mantha-8477511 And Drouin is roughly a year and a half younger than Mantha. But Drouin's a punk and Mantha's found good chemistry with Larkin and Bertuzzi and it does feel like he's on the verge of breaking out. This is why I wouldn't do it. Mantha will out produce Drouin by 20 points this season... 2 kliq and Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted September 26, 2019 Found this over on HF Boards... 1 ChristopherReevesLegs reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted September 26, 2019 1 minute ago, F.Michael said: I get the impression that Drouin thinks he's better than what his stats show - add to that he apparently has issues with both his former, and current team...Me no likey-likey. Yeah. Baggage is the big reason why I wouldn't give up one of our top players for him, even if you take Yzerman out of the equation. Just to be clear, my original point was simply that I genuinely believe Bergevin specifically targets -- and probably gets -- Mantha if Mantha is playing for a team that isn't the Wings. And that most people would probably say, "Yeah, Drouin for Mantha is pretty fair. Some risk for each party, but it should end up working out for everyone." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted September 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: This is why I wouldn't do it. Mantha will out produce Drouin by 20 points this season... Looking at their respective numbers, something that really jumps out to me is the shooting percentages. I don't know that there's anything significant we can learn from this, but... Drouin: 5.3 16 11.5 7.9 9.5 Mantha: 11.1 12.8 12.6 12.6 Drouin's all over the place. Mantha? The definition of consistent. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted September 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dabura said: Looking at their respective numbers, something that really jumps out to me is the shooting percentages. I don't know that there's anything significant we can learn from this, but... Drouin: 5.3 16 11.5 7.9 9.5 Mantha: 11.1 12.8 12.6 12.6 Drouin's all over the place. Mantha? The definition of consistent. Mantha just needs to keep shooting and stay healthy and he will score 35+ this season guaranteed. 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted September 26, 2019 Just now, krsmith17 said: Mantha just needs to keep shooting and stay healthy and he will score 35+ this season guaranteed. Yup - as much as I love seeing players dropping the gloves to stand up for themselves, or a teammate - but damn it seems like every time Mantha drops'em he winds up with a freakish finger/hand/wrist injury that'll sideline him for up to 2 months. Our top line should see all 3 push for 30 plus goals if they can stay healthy. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted September 26, 2019 2 hours ago, F.Michael said: Is it just me or does Yzermans face look like he's starting his AA Halloween costume a little too early. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted September 26, 2019 Just now, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Is it just me or does Yzermans face look like he's starting his AA Halloween costume a little too early. Was watching a pre-season game the other night, and during an intermission they were interviewing Veleno...That guy has brows that'll challenge AA any day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
solarion 118 Report post Posted September 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Is it just me or does Yzermans face look like he's starting his AA Halloween costume a little too early. His look there says "Dafuq kind of stupid question is that...?" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted September 27, 2019 19 hours ago, Dabura said: Looking at their respective numbers, something that really jumps out to me is the shooting percentages. I don't know that there's anything significant we can learn from this, but... Drouin: 5.3 16 11.5 7.9 9.5 Mantha: 11.1 12.8 12.6 12.6 Drouin's all over the place. Mantha? The definition of consistent. Nice. Mantha needs to shoot more 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,751 Report post Posted September 27, 2019 This sucks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted September 27, 2019 1 Akakabuto reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,015 Report post Posted September 27, 2019 1 minute ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: 1 1 krsmith17 and Akakabuto reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ely s 457 Report post Posted September 27, 2019 2 hours ago, amato said: Nice. Mantha needs to shoot more he was at around 4 shots per game at the end of the season and has 16 shots in three preseason games. If he keeps going at 4 shots/pg he will have 320 shots a season at 12% shooting percentage is good for 38 goals 22 hours ago, Dabura said: I mean, I'm not advocating for it, but I'd at least consider it. They've put up similar numbers: https://www.nhl.com/player/jonathan-drouin-8477494 https://www.nhl.com/player/anthony-mantha-8477511 And Drouin is roughly a year and a half younger than Mantha. But Drouin's a punk and Mantha's found good chemistry with Larkin and Bertuzzi and it does feel like he's on the verge of breaking out. There is nothing in a trade like that what would make me think of it. 5" taller and 30 pounds more, a real good shot, good skater, an absolute beast trading for a guy who then will be playing for his third team in 5 years? No way I would trade a 30 goal scorer with his physics for a guy like Drouin. 2 amato and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
solarion 118 Report post Posted September 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, ely s said: 38 goals S-U-X. It's 39 or bust for Tony! 2 amato and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted September 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, ely s said: 5" taller and 30 pounds more Not all that meaningful, unless he puts it all together and becomes a juggernaut power-winger. (Which could be exactly what we see this season.) 5 minutes ago, ely s said: a real good shot, good skater Mantha and Drouin share these qualities. Drouin's shot gave us fits in that one playoff series. 6 minutes ago, ely s said: an absolute beast It looks like he's about to become an absolute beast, but the jury's still out. It wasn't until very recently that everyone decided Mantha is prime years Todd Bertuzzi. 10 minutes ago, ely s said: No way I would trade a 30 goal scorer I'm nitpicking (boredom), but Mantha hasn't scored 30 goals yet. But it seems inevitable that he's going to hit that mark, and I think it's fair to say he's proven himself to be the better goal-scorer. I dunno. *shrug* I guess I have a different and possibly flawed sense of what Bergevin is(n't) capable of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted September 27, 2019 32 minutes ago, ely s said: he was at around 4 shots per game at the end of the season and has 16 shots in three preseason games. If he keeps going at 4 shots/pg he will have 320 shots a season at 12% shooting percentage is good for 38 goals It's doable for sure. As long as he can stay healthy and doesn't have too many cold stretches... 22 minutes ago, solarion said: S-U-X. It's 39 or bust for Tony! 39 for 39. I like it. 19 minutes ago, Dabura said: I'm nitpicking (boredom), but Mantha hasn't scored 30 goals yet. But it seems inevitable that he's going to hit that mark, and I think it's fair to say he's proven himself to be the better goal-scorer. He was on pace for 30 last season. There's not a question in my mind that he will at the very least eclipse that this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted September 27, 2019 Just now, krsmith17 said: He was on pace for 30 last season. There's not a question in my mind that he will at the very least eclipse that this season. Sure. Just saying he's technically not a 30-goal scorer yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted September 27, 2019 46 minutes ago, Dabura said: Sure. Just saying he's technically not a 30-goal scorer yet. I hear ya. 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted September 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: I hear ya. Leave it to me to be defending Jonathan Drouin's honor as Mantha prepares to tear the NHL a new butthole. I am a dingus. 100% certifiable. Anyway. About Mantha. This goes without saying, but Looooooord Almighty would it be nice to see Mantha realize his true potential this season. Imagine he does. And imagine Bertuzzi establishes himself as a 50-point player (if only while playing with top talent). And imagine AA cements himself as a legit 30-goal scorer. Now imagine drafting a monster winger in Alexis Lafreniere/Lucas Raymond/Alexander Holtz and adding that player to the forward mix, a mix which also includes Veleno, Zadina, Rasmussen, et al. Bertuzzi Larkin Mantha Athanasiou Veleno Holtz Hirose Rasmussen Zadina Erne Pearson Svechnikov 2 krsmith17 and Akakabuto reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted September 27, 2019 4 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Unless he pulls his head outta his @ss over these 2 years - his time in the NHL won't last much beyond that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted September 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, F.Michael said: Unless he pulls his head outta his @ss over these 2 years - his time in the NHL won't last much beyond that. NHL is only temporary. Fornite is for life. 1 F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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