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Why is Cleary still on the team?

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Cleary is definetly not as effective as he used to be, he could be used as trade-bait during the draft or something or just not offered a contract at the end of this season. With all the new young prospects coming up they need to make room and Cleary would be an ideal player to move not sure what we could get for him in a trade but even a 6th or 7th round pick would be better than how he's played of late. This team has a lot of depth and if Eaves can come back from injury by at least next season, we'd still be plenty deep without Cleary. Plus I'm sure we'd find someone to replace him if we didn't offer him a contract and keep our depth. This is one of the reason's I'm actually a bit excited for this off-season, becasue I have high hopes and expectations that the Wings will have a roster shake-up in July whether it's a major shake-up or minor one.

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I'm ready to sit him until the postseason. Give his ailments a little time to ease up, and maybe we can get a playoff round of good Cleary hockey outta him before his knee goes again.

I truely feel they have guys that can take his place right now so he can get better. Clears is clutch in playoffs and has a real deep tank and full of heart and a great playoff guy ( besides not everyone can play on one leg for the playoffs like Yzerman did) If Cleary was givin time to get healthy his game would improve. Until then ill take Mursak.

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Cleary is a good third liner and they need his depth for some years before they let him go. He had 26 goals last year and had some sick goals this year and Nyquist needs to stay in the AHL for a year or 2 more for him to develop.

Your post would have been correct if we were talking about last year. This year Cleary has been s***. The only time you notice him is when he takes the puck across the blueline along the wall. Gets the slightest of rubs from the defender and then falls down. In the rare event that he does get past the defender he usually takes a shot from between the bottom of the circle to the end line. This shows why he has the worste shooting percentage of Wings forwards other than Mursak yet is third on the team in shots. Nyquist is NHL ready and his recent callup has proved that. Of the 8 games since his callup earlier this month Nyquist scored in every game but 2 while playing 5-6 minutes a night less than Cleary.

If Nyquist spends another two years in the AHL it will hinder his development. Hes already a top player in that league and you get better by playing tougher competition. You get complacent by playing below your skill level. Yes usually the Wings let there prospects overripe but Nyquist and Smith are the best two prospects since Datsyuk and Zetterberg (both who never touched the AHL). Im hoping Babs is giving these last couple games for Cleary to try and work himself out but Ill bet you come playoffs Nyquist has more a chance of being in than Cleary.

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You would think Cleary is just doing more damage to his knee then need be. Why not sit out, we have guys who can take over that spot.

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I'm sure Dan is a proud guy and doesn't want to sit unless he absolutely can't play, and I know Babcock will want him to play since he's a veteran. So, I don't see a remedy to the issue unless he hurts himself further and can't play. As far as contractually, he has a no-trade clause so he's not going anywhere in the offseason either.

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The Wings believe that they will need him in the playoffs and because of injuries he has to get up to NHL speed. It's better if he does that now as opposed to during the playoffs. That's all I can think of.

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seriously? anybody who's ever played hockey in their life loves dan cleary....works hard, team guy, a guy i would never scratch.....there has been way too many topics hating on our players this year..."whats up with datsyuk?" "has zberg lost his touch?" "hudler blows like always" "big E is a *****" "franzen floats" "scratch bertuzzi" "homer sucks" and now cleary????? GM's would chop their own hand off to have a guy who plays with as much heart as cleary does. Ill go on record all day sticking up for cleary....some ppl on this forum i swear dont watch or have ever played hockey in their lives....this is the wings boys and cleary is the s***. that is all.

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seriously? anybody who's ever played hockey in their life loves dan cleary....works hard, team guy, a guy i would never scratch.....there has been way too many topics hating on our players this year..."whats up with datsyuk?" "has zberg lost his touch?" "hudler blows like always" "big E is a *****" "franzen floats" "scratch bertuzzi" "homer sucks" and now cleary????? GM's would chop their own hand off to have a guy who plays with as much heart as cleary does. Ill go on record all day sticking up for cleary....some ppl on this forum i swear dont watch or have ever played hockey in their lives....this is the wings boys and cleary is the s***. that is all.

You can have all the heart in the world but if your skill does not match that heart you dont win the Cup.

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seriously? anybody who's ever played hockey in their life loves dan cleary....works hard, team guy, a guy i would never scratch.....there has been way too many topics hating on our players this year..."whats up with datsyuk?" "has zberg lost his touch?" "hudler blows like always" "big E is a *****" "franzen floats" "scratch bertuzzi" "homer sucks" and now cleary????? GM's would chop their own hand off to have a guy who plays with as much heart as cleary does. Ill go on record all day sticking up for cleary....some ppl on this forum i swear dont watch or have ever played hockey in their lives....this is the wings boys and cleary is the s***. that is all.

you don't understand the 1difference betweeb Zetter and Cleary?

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Because nobody ever plays injured. It's been noted multiple times by Babcock that he is injured. Sure he's useless right now but you win with players like Cleary in your line up in the playoffs.

This would be the conversation if he was actually injured:

Babcock: "Cleary isn't doing anything for our team. If it's because he's injured, I think we should have him rest up and get healthy so he can be a good player for us."

Holland: "Ok"

.... later that day ....

Babcock: "Danny, your injury is seriously affecting your play so we're going to have to heal up so you can positively affect the team"

Cleary: "Ok"

Obviously that hasn't happened.

And Cleary used to work hard. He doesn't do s*** anymore.

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While Cleary has definitely not been great this year, I still think he's one of the hardest working guys on the team. His injury has obviously affected his game a lot, but he's one year removed from a 26 goal season and everyone wants him gone. Everyone has off seasons, especially when they have a nagging injury. If you wanna start talking lazy players start watching Franzen out there and talk s*** about him! Yeah sure he leads the team in goals, but he's just so damn lazy it pisses me off. He could easily score 40 goals in my opinion, he just chooses not to put the effort in every game. Can't say the same for Cleary, he at least is trying to play on one leg!

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you don't understand the 1difference betweeb Zetter and Cleary?

never said anything about Zetters bucko.......we readin the same post lol?

seriously thou it angers me sometimes how much red wings fans complain about our own players when we make the playoffs and compete for the cup year in and year out....cleary is a fantastic hockey player and will be with this club for years to come so whining about him having a "down year" will do no one any good. i swear its like none of you watch him play....so what if his numbers are off this year...he brings GAME to the ice and the lockerroom everynight. hes not a numbers player anyway.

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Cleary is definetly not as effective as he used to be, he could be used as trade-bait during the draft or something or just not offered a contract at the end of this season. With all the new young prospects coming up they need to make room and Cleary would be an ideal player to move not sure what we could get for him in a trade but even a 6th or 7th round pick would be better than how he's played of late. This team has a lot of depth and if Eaves can come back from injury by at least next season, we'd still be plenty deep without Cleary. Plus I'm sure we'd find someone to replace him if we didn't offer him a contract and keep our depth. This is one of the reason's I'm actually a bit excited for this off-season, becasue I have high hopes and expectations that the Wings will have a roster shake-up in July whether it's a major shake-up or minor one.

Cleary is signed through next season, so no chance of not offering a contract at the end of this year.

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I agree that I am getting tired of people on here ragging on players this year. Looking at the date the threads are made hating on the players, it always follows a loss. Bertuzzi is having a great year playing with Pasha, while I dont like Ericsson myself you cannot deny he has been good on the pK, Franzen has an ability to put the puck in the net and has playoff potential still. With all that said, I have really grown to dislike Dan Cleary this season. I know he was great last year, and has been great for us often in the past, but this year he has flat out sucked. More than that, every time he is on the ice he is giving pucks away, wrong coverage, and taking dumb shots. I know he is playing injured and I respect him for that, but it is the point where he is actually hurting our chances of winning while he is on the ice. I am not saying get rid of him, I am saying sit him out for the rest of the year because he simply is too injured to be effective. Liek I said i respect him for trying to play through it, but I will respect him more if he can admit he is hurting this team by playing, and take a step back for the rest of the year.

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why do we have fourth liners who cant even fight, score, hit. im talking about emmerton.

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cleary is a fantastic hockey player

Now I know you're lying through your teeth. What next, Lebda a tremendously gifted offensive defenseman?

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Gustav Nyquist, Jan Mursak, Darren Helm > Dan Cleary

Who honestly is optimistic something is going to happen when Cleary has the puck opposed to the other players? I've been known as a Cleary hater, fair points, but he needs to be pushed out of the lineup. When Helm comes back, and possibly Eaves... Nyquist NEEDS to stay, Abdelkader's presence is needed in the playoffs, Miller has more goals/pts than Cleary with LESS ice time and no PP time. So who do you move? To me the answer is Cleary, I'll be shocked if he's offered a contract. You could also say Holmstrom, but he is needed as a PP specialist especially in the playoffs.

Did Cleary f*** your mother? Steal your credit card number? Torch your house? Your hate for Dan Cleary is bizarre.

We know Cleary is getting old. We know there are better options. Give it a ******* rest.

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Did Cleary f*** your mother? Steal your credit card number? Torch your house? Your hate for Dan Cleary is bizarre.

We know Cleary is getting old. We know there are better options. Give it a ******* rest.

lol it's funny because when I first started voicing my disgust in the often injured (EVERY SEASON) Cleary. I heard a lot of what you just said.

I kept saying, you'll all see he won't do s*** this year. I stuck by my words all season, and now people are finally realizing this is Dan Cleary:

-2.8 million this year to play 3rd/4th line

-12 goals

- ineffective on PP and too slow for PK

-Horribly slow, lacking any intensity

-Injured

-"Cleary gets the puck, skates passed the blue line, fires ... clear shot the goalie saw it the whole way from 40 feet out."

He is HURTING our team, I have no faith he will do anything when he gets on the ice. We have more effective players (Nyquist) who could use his ice time. Learn how to objectively look at the team and realize what players aren't worth playing anymore. Loyalty goes too far with this team sometimes.

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lol it's funny because when I first started voicing my disgust in the often injured (EVERY SEASON) Cleary. I heard a lot of what you just said.

I kept saying, you'll all see he won't do s*** this year. I stuck by my words all season, and now people are finally realizing this is Dan Cleary:

-2.8 million this year to play 3rd/4th line

-12 goals

- ineffective on PP and too slow for PK

-Horribly slow, lacking any intensity

-Injured

-"Cleary gets the puck, skates passed the blue line, fires ... clear shot the goalie saw it the whole way from 40 feet out."

He is HURTING our team, I have no faith he will do anything when he gets on the ice. We have more effective players (Nyquist) who could use his ice time. Learn how to objectively look at the team and realize what players aren't worth playing anymore. Loyalty goes too far with this team sometimes.

I just said in the last post he is not effective. So that washes out your "argument" that I'm some kind of homer. He'll have a good game or two and you're nowhere to be found is what annoys the s*** out of me. When he does well, you refuse to acknowledge it, as if he's the worst mistake this organization has ever made. If I had my way, several players would find themselves getting wheeled out of town, but you're right, the loyalty does go too far.

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I just said in the last post he is not effective. So that washes out your "argument" that I'm some kind of homer. He'll have a good game or two and you're nowhere to be found is what annoys the s*** out of me. When he does well, you refuse to acknowledge it, as if he's the worst mistake this organization has ever made. If I had my way, several players would find themselves getting wheeled out of town, but you're right, the loyalty does go too far.

The guy has 33 pts and is being paid like a 2nd liner... he has a few good games? Like what? He has 12 goals... far and few in between probably. Miller has 14 goals and is being paid 2 million less than Cleary, he also gets less ice time.

All I'm saying is he's doing more harm than good and people are still protecting him even though he doesn't deserve it. If I'm so wrong they should just sit him - you obviously would agree with this given your stance on him.

The loyalty does go too far. I'll let you all know right now what needs to be addressed.

Hudler shouldn't be making that much $$ - move Tatar up instead and trade Hudler then.

Holmstrom needs to hang them up (Sorry, I liked him but it's time) Draper and Maltby were too slow in doing so.

Smith needs to be moved if/when Stuart goes

Nyquist needs to be a permanent player and paired with Datsyuk

Franzen needs to show some desire next year or some action has to be taken (I doubt anyone would want him with that salary)

Cleary needs to be shipped out some how now that his NTC is gone

^ That's what I would do, not everyone has to agree with it, and I'm sure many won't but it's just what I think. Everyone has their own opinion, this thread was made to voice mine; I never said everyone has to agree with it.

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Hudler shouldn't be making that much $$

Hudler is being paid fine for his production. He isn't a steal, but he isn't overpaid (much) either.

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Hudler is being paid fine for his production. He isn't a steal, but he isn't overpaid (much) either.

I heard he's going to be asking for a lot more $$$. You're right about right now though.

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