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[Din758]

Good discussion about to start on the ticket about what Nick should be paid next year. Valenti and Foster both seem to agree between 2-3mil is a good enough discount and if he wants more they'd let him walk.

Key arguments they bring up is noting that they can go out and get 2 elite players with that cap room, and also that stevey got paid 1.2mil his final season.

Thoughts?

[Nevermind]

The Detroit Red Wings aren't ever going to let Nick walk.

I really hope Nick comes back and is able to regain his early-season form. He's earned the right to keep his salary if he wants to play another season. But, I think he definitely has to understand that a sizeable paycut would really help the team out--and give him the best chance for a Cup.

[MidMichSteve]

The Detroit Red Wings aren't ever going to let Nick walk.

I really hope Nick comes back and is able to regain his early-season form. He's earned the right to keep his salary if he wants to play another season. But, I think he definitely has to understand that a sizeable paycut would really help the team out--and give him the best chance for a another Cup.

I agree 100%. I did fix one little thing ^^^ for ya.

Edited by MidMichSteve, 19 April 2012 - 01:54 PM.

[sherwood40]

It would be nice to see him do that for Detroit. He has made some really good money here, well worth the money for sure. But why not give it 1 more year at a reduced rate to help bring in the players we need to get him a 5th Ring on that finger. Then the following year move him to a coaching position working only with current and future D-Men for the Wings.

[hooon]

"Let him walk" ??? Never!

Sure a pay cut would be nice, but my guess is somewhere a lot closer to 4-5m.

[jroc86]

Before he got hurt he was looking 95% as good as the guy that won the Norris last year - hes earned whatever money he wants. Superficially id convince him to take a "hometown discount" of say 1.5-3 million and just agree to pay him the remaineder of what would be paid regularly for some half-assed job when he retired. Defenseman consultant, scout, etc - and give him his 2012/13 money while he makes a few appearances and stays with his wife in some 5 star hotel rooms to watch a bit of hockey. The cap doesn't take into consideration team staff, so thats what I would do to improve our ability to really throw some money around to reinforce this team with a few keys peices to push us over the top.

[dirtydangles]

if his play of late is an indication of his play next year I'd say 3mill. before the injury id say 5mill.

[wingslogo19]

I agree that a hometown discount would benefit the Wings and better the chances of adding more pieces for another run at the cup next year

[Firehawk]

Is he not killing penalties right now because of his injury or because of his age/speed? Becuase, if he's utilized less and less, he has to take a major discount to come back. The last thing the Wings want to do is pull a Pistons and hold onto players too long.

I love Lidstrom, I am so happy we got to watch him for 20 years, but it's a business and you are a commodity. And when you get used up, we move on. It's cold and harsh, but it's a fact in sports. I wouldn't mind him coming back, but he can't be a reason that we can't make the cap because we want to go and get an elite young, fast and talented player. That would hinder the progress of this team. I think with every year, he'll slow down rapidly, so it's tough to keep him for 5-7 mil in my view.

At some point we will have to cut the cord.

[LeftWinger]

The Detroit Red Wings aren't ever going to let Nick walk.

I really hope Nick comes back and is able to regain his early-season form. He's earned the right to keep his salary if he wants to play another season. But, I think he definitely has to understand that a sizeable paycut would really help the team out--and give him the best chance for a Cup.

I am sure he meant retire in that sense, but I agree. If Lidstrom even sniffs more than $2M, then he needs to retire. This team needs a huge overhaul and getting rid of his salary is a great place to start. IMO, he needs to retire, but what will happen is, he will tell everyone he is waiting to see how his ankle heals, then he will handcuff Holland all summer (not that I expect Holland to do whats right for this team anyhow) and the top guys will all be gone...Then Lids will decide late August that he is retiring...Ok, ok, I joke about that one, but he needs to decide before July 1st, preferably by the draft so Holland can start formulating a plan...

"Let him walk" ??? Never!

Sure a pay cut would be nice, but my guess is somewhere a lot closer to 4-5m.

Too much...if they re-sign him for that much, this team is screwed next year. If they want Suter and Parise, they need to be able to offer $14M-$16M between the two of them. Getting only one of them is not enough. Like I said, with the way he is playing and the lack of healing, he needs to seriously think about retiring...

edit: You people that don't agree with this are stupid. He is obviously struggling because of injury, if he cannot fully recover he needs to hang em up. If you dont agree with that then you are dumber than I thought. Of course since you just neg and don't say why we'll never know what your thoughts are. They are probably just this anyhow "Wah Wah, don't say Nicky will retire..he is God!"

Edited by LeftWinger, 19 April 2012 - 09:32 PM.

[Firehawk]

Hey LeftWinger,

When I keep hearing the name Suter, is that Suter from the Preds? Or another one? I know there are many in NHL history, and I don't know every team, and I'm too lazy to look it up .

Wouldn't that be a bite if we went out and bought Suter and Weber from the Preds, and also got Perese?

[LeftWinger]

Hey LeftWinger,

When I keep hearing the name Suter, is that Suter from the Preds? Or another one? I know there are many in NHL history, and I don't know every team, and I'm too lazy to look it up .

Wouldn't that be a bite if we went out and bought Suter and Weber from the Preds, and also got Perese?

Yes, that is Ryan Suter, but there was only one other to play, his uncle Gary Suter. You are think of the SuTTer's, and there was/is about 5,000 players from that family it seems...

Ya, it would be a bite to nab Suter, it's happened before, 2003 Anaheim eliminates the Red Wings in first round, July 1st Ducks sign Sergei Fedorov. 2007, Ducks eliminate the Wings in the 3rd round, come July, Ducks sign BOTH Todd Bertuzzi and Mathieu Schneider out from under us...not that it matter in the next year anyhow.

[jroc86]

Weber and Suter will never sign here if they beat us this series and ill take a sig bet for life if im proven otherwise. Poile will match whatever we offer them (unless that cap gets blown up in the CBA somehow then Illitich can start writing real cheques again) and they would look like assholes in front of the entire league if they jumped to the nearest divisional rival (whom theyve just beaten in the first round). We lose this series - we lose the big brother card temporarily and thats really the only card we have to play.

[LeftWinger]

Weber and Suter will never sign here if they beat us this series and ill take a sig bet for life if im proven otherwise. Poile will match whatever we offer them (unless that cap gets blown up in the CBA somehow then Illitich can start writing real cheques again) and they would look like assholes in front of the entire league if they jumped to the nearest divisional rival (whom theyve just beaten in the first round). We lose this series - we lose the big brother card temporarily and thats really the only card we have to play.

I tend to agree, but for wishes I don't even want Weber, but would love Suter...

[Jeff6851]

Weber and Suter will never sign here if they beat us this series and ill take a sig bet for life if im proven otherwise. Poile will match whatever we offer them (unless that cap gets blown up in the CBA somehow then Illitich can start writing real cheques again) and they would look like assholes in front of the entire league if they jumped to the nearest divisional rival (whom theyve just beaten in the first round). We lose this series - we lose the big brother card temporarily and thats really the only card we have to play.

A lot of Preds fans wouldn't really mind losing Suter. They bitched so much about him after Datsyuk got that quick one on him

[Firehawk]

Don't want Weber? Are you out of your mind? Get over the incident, it was so 4 games ago now. I'd love to have a mean, big, tough, solid defensive player back there like Weber.

[Red Wings Addict]

I don't know if there's any chance of this or what but If the new CBA allows for a veteran's minimum that does not count against the cap (like in the NBA) then how awesome would that be for a player like Lidstrom?

[arag]

No need to say how much I love and respect Nick. However I love my Wings more than any single player at any given time. I personally think Lids should retire. You can see fatigue in his eyes and his face. He gets beaten very often and makes uncharacteristic mistakes. The team has lock of passion and won't compete.. Lids unable to do anything about that as a captain. I hope he stays in the organization as a D coach or consultant, but this team needs to move forward. Whatever division would be, I hope it would be for the benefit of the team.
Go Wings !

Edited by arag, 19 April 2012 - 05:23 PM.

[Detroit # 1 Fan]

Lidstrom for 3 million would be fantastic. Would really be able to help us add to the team in the offseason

[VM1138]

You guys are high. Lidstrom only dropped off because of his ankle injury, which will heal over the summer. He's still got game and was in talks for the Norris again at the beginning of the season. He's not going to take less than 5.5, if he goes that low.