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What happens if the new CBA lowers the Cap?

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There has been some talk about the new CBA and that it could possibly lower the cap. No one has came up with any figures on what the amount may be, but for the sake of a good conversation let say the cap drops to 62 million.

I'm gonna put this out there to all the CBA folks here (and I know alot of you know hiw this works) what will teams that are over the cap gonna have to do? Can teams restructure contracts or do they have to simply release players or trade? I guess the question is what are the ramifications of the cap being lowered?

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I've been wondering the same thing. My opinion is, I don't see the NHL forcing teams to get under the cap by trades or releases. Let's be honest, if the cap is at 72 mil and (and I'll use the Wings as an example here) we have the money to spend to the cap and do it, we're playing by the rules here. There is no reason we (or any other team) should get punished by having to get rid of their players. But then again, I realize that the cap is something teams should have thought about before getting autographs for the 13 year deals. So when I look at both sides, I guess I'm on the fence.

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The last time they simply made all players take a 24% reduction on existing salaries. Something similar (but probably not that large) is likely in store this time.

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I highly doubt the cap does go down even with a new CBA. I mean there the ones putting it up each year. If there's teams doing bad then it wouldn't keep going up. I mean sure there are markets that are not doing as great as other ones but they have the revenue sharing that helps them out. Let's just hope teams like Phoenix end up going to other markets so they can actually make some money instead of hurting the league. If in fact it does go down, I think they would allow teams to buy out players without having a cap hit penalty for the remaining years, IMO it's the best way to go like that teams will be paying for there mistake and will not be penalized for long term considering the circumstances.

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How can the cap change again if it was already set for next year and agreed upon by the powers that be? The CBA should come into effect this year, but as the cap was already set, would it not stay the same?

And what will happen if it lowers? We will lol at all the teams that overpaid for guys in this weak UFA crop that will have $0 to bid for Weber's services next summer and he will have to pick between staying in Nashville and heading to the Wings cause Kenny's non-signings this summer for guys such as Parise, Suter and Carle will not look so bad long term. As much as we get pissed at Kenny sometimes, he KNOWS how the cap works and has much more inside info then the rest of us that are waiting to see what he will do. If he gets Semin for around $5mil per for 4 years, he could get 150-200 goals in that period playing with Dats. He got 40 goals on Washington....

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Like I'am always believing, never underestimate the greed and stubborness of some owners. These guys got everything they wanted the last time. So given that I think they are the ones to give now.

The cap at this point will not go down, because players finally have someone who will stand up for them!

If it does I assume revenue sharing will come to an end and a lot of mercanary buyouts.

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IMO there is no chance that the cap will be lowered AND any teams over the new cap just get screwed for their lack of foresight. Why would any owner at or near the cap agree to that?

What will happen (eventually) is that whatever deal is signed between the two parties will include an adjustment of some sort. So if, for instance, the players go from 57% to 50% of revenues, the cap may drop by 14% and all existing contracts may be reduced by 14% to keep everything in line. Last time contracts were rolled back by 24% across the board.

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IMO there is no chance that the cap will be lowered AND any teams over the new cap just get screwed for their lack of foresight. Why would any owner at or near the cap agree to that?

What will happen (eventually) is that whatever deal is signed between the two parties will include an adjustment of some sort. So if, for instance, the players go from 57% to 50% of revenues, the cap may drop by 14% and all existing contracts may be reduced by 14% to keep everything in line. Last time contracts were rolled back by 24% across the board.

I guess with a plan like this I can already see the horrible 7 letters on the wall "lockout". There is simple no way players would accept another rollback, nor should they..

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Holland is partly responsible for the long term contracts for less cap hit. Remember he did it with Z then with Franzen, then the Blackhawks did it with Hossa, next thing you know the whole league is doing it. Remember the rest of the league has always kept its eye on what the Red Wings do. For 20 years we have been a blueprint for building a powerhouse franchise and 29 other teams wanna do they same thing for their teams. I say if owners wanna spend what they feel the players are worth do it. Now they just have the loophole that Holland in a way exposed.

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The last time they simply made all players take a 24% reduction on existing salaries. Something similar (but probably not that large) is likely in store this time.

Totally disagree... If you were a player would you do that 'again'? Not a chance.....

I read something this morning that a number of teams are waiting for this exact scenario... They figure that current cap-teams will have to shed some good players in Sept - Oct to reach the new cap (if it's lowered) and there will be some bargains... Sorry, but I don't remember where I read it, but they suggested the Wings might be considering the same option since the FA market is so thin and the trade-market is so expensive...

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Like I'am always believing, never underestimate the greed and stubborness of some owners. These guys got everything they wanted the last time. So given that I think they are the ones to give now.

The cap at this point will not go down, because players finally have someone who will stand up for them!

If it does I assume revenue sharing will come to an end and a lot of mercanary buyouts.

I agree I think it's the owners turn to give in, plus the players have Donald Fehr on their side. This current CBA has been a disaster if you ask me, and the players are ready to expose it. They need to meet in the middle and have a luxury tax.

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An excellent point made here by Pierre Lebrun at ESPN which should give Wings fans much hope some good players could show up yet:

In the end, Detroit has another avenue: wait it out until the new collective bargaining agreement is signed, sealed and delivered. Several teams I’ve spoken with over the past few weeks believe there will be bargains to be had on good players come September, October or November -- whenever there’s a new CBA -- because some overspending teams will have miscalculated and will need to get rid of players to get under the new cap. At least a half-dozen teams I know of are waiting for this. Detroit could benefit from that as well.

Much more on the Wings and a good read in general:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/18230/debate-wither-the-wings-and-rick-nash?

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^ I was going to post that as well. That scenario doesn't really fit with a lot of the opinions here so far, but if the personnel NHL clubs believe that this is a possibility, I suppose it's definitely possible.

That said, right now there's only about 10 teams who have less than 10 million in cap space. Naturally there are still RFAs to sign, but the most expensive UFAs are gone and most teams have a good amount of wiggle room as things stand right now.

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Yes, I believe the salaries are adjusted accordingly...if the cap goes down 10% so does all salaries...I do believe...

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IF this did happen, in terms of defencemen, I could see a few guys possibly becoming (more) available:

- Komisarek TOR

- Montador CHI

- Kaberle MON (wouldn't be surprised if he's already on the block - I could see Nashville trading for him)

- Hamrlik WSH

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I guess with a plan like this I can already see the horrible 7 letters on the wall "lockout". There is simple no way players would accept another rollback, nor should they..

:lol: I find this funny, yet when I am forced to take a paycut and I protest or threaten strike, I am greedy in the public eye and should be happy to giveback to help save my company and mutli-million dollar CEO's who cash in stock options and give themselves million's of dollars in bonuses when they successfully get concessions...sorry, back to the scheduled topic...

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I kinda figured that the cap will not be lowered simply because that would lead to yet another strike. But like many of you mentioned if the Cap is lowered just imagine the players out there at that point. MInnesota for example would have to let go of a guy like Heatly and we was one of the reasons Parise and Suter signed there in the first place. Could be an interesting summer to say the least.

Here's is another question; Should Holland wait until the new CBA is signed to go after UFA's? This could either be a smart move or completly screw us over next year. Thoughts???

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What happens if CBA lowers the Cap ?

Gary Bettman becomes a UFA !

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Yes, I believe the salaries are adjusted accordingly...if the cap goes down 10% so does all salaries...I do believe...

This. And it's definitely something I could see happening.

It's why players like Suter wanted so much as a signing bonus the first year. Because that can't be reduced under any new CBA salary reduction.

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I kinda figured that the cap will not be lowered simply because that would lead to yet another strike. But like many of you mentioned if the Cap is lowered just imagine the players out there at that point. MInnesota for example would have to let go of a guy like Heatly and we was one of the reasons Parise and Suter signed there in the first place. Could be an interesting summer to say the least.

I saw number of people suggest that if CBA lowers the cap then some teams would have to cup players to get under it. Are there any sources that support this even as a possibility? It has been mentioned that owners are looking to lowers the percentage of league revenues, which goes to players. This would cause cap to be lower. But it is much more likely that existing contracts would rolled back by some percentage just like the last time.

And getting players to agree to reduce their share would be a hard sell in the first place.

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The correct answer is that any ramifications from the new CBA will be dealt with in the new CBA, so no one really knows at this point. If I were to guess, I'd assume the cap will be unimpacted inititially and the structure will just move from their based on how they structure the new deal. That said, it is entirely possible that they agree to move the 57% down to 54% or 52% or 50% of league revenues for players. They could take that downward movement and lower the cap proportionately and also then lower all existing contracts down proportionately as well.

I'm pretty confident in saying that the new CBA should not cause teams to have to get rid of any existing players.

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This. And it's definitely something I could see happening.

It's why players like Suter wanted so much as a signing bonus the first year. Because that can't be reduced under any new CBA salary reduction.

See, Now this all makes sense. Perhaps Ken Holland is smarter than we are all giving him credit for.

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