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#41 fat guy in a maltby jersey

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 05:50 PM

LGW, where PK Subban isn't worth 3.5 mil, but Kyle Quincey already makes more than that.

 

LOL.


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Posted 24 January 2013 - 05:55 PM

LGW, where PK Subban isn't worth 3.5 mil, but Kyle Quincey already makes more than that.

 

LOL.

Yeah, because we signed him to that. Silly me, how could I not know that Kenny and the internet forum folks work hand in hand?



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Posted 24 January 2013 - 06:03 PM

I'd give him 5.5M. He's young and would make our team better right now and a great piece for the future



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Posted 24 January 2013 - 06:06 PM

Subban just texted me and said he wants to bring some soul back to Detroit!

 

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 06:34 PM

LGW, where PK Subban isn't worth 3.5 mil, but Kyle Quincey already makes more than that.

 

LOL.

 

You do realize Quincey makes more because he took us to arbitration and we were forced to pay him that right?


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Posted 24 January 2013 - 06:39 PM

You do realize Quincey makes more because he took us to arbitration and we were forced to pay him that right?

they weren't "forced" to do anything because of arbitration.  he never even made it to arbitration.

 

the only thing that was required was a qualifying offer of 100% of his previous deal (3.25 mil).



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Posted 24 January 2013 - 06:54 PM

they weren't "forced" to do anything because of arbitration.  he never even made it to arbitration.

 

the only thing that was required was a qualifying offer of 100% of his previous deal (3.25 mil).

 

you're right, my bad. Although, you can argue his salary wouldn't have been much different in arbitration


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Posted 24 January 2013 - 07:40 PM

I agree that in a vacuum, Getzlaf > Subban. But Subban is 4 years younger, plays a much scarcer position in terms of talent, and there’s no guarantees Getzlaf would sign here (see fallout from Parise/Suter last year), whereas if they trade for Subban, they own him. I think it’s real dangerous to put your eggs in the UFA basket again unless you’re truly going to tank, and don’t really care either way because you’re trying to bottom out to get draft position. I understand that they wouldn’t have to give anything up player-wise for Getzlaf, but really, who are you going to be mad about if they traded him for Subban?


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Posted 24 January 2013 - 07:43 PM

I agree that in a vacuum, Getzlaf > Subban. But Subban is 4 years younger, plays a much scarcer position in terms of talent, and there’s no guarantees Getzlaf would sign here (see fallout from Parise/Suter last year), whereas if they trade for Subban, they own him. I think it’s real dangerous to put your eggs in the UFA basket again unless you’re truly going to tank, and don’t really care either way because you’re trying to bottom out to get draft position. I understand that they wouldn’t have to give anything up player-wise for Getzlaf, but really, who are you going to be mad about if they traded him for Subban?

 

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edit: smith and lashoff too


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Posted 24 January 2013 - 08:23 PM

kronwall, datsyuk, z, flip, howie, and brunner

 

edit: smith and lashoff too

 

Lashoff? Srsly?


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Posted 24 January 2013 - 09:44 PM

Lashoff? Srsly?

 

Ya, the way he has come in and played for us so far, I want to see more of him, he has potential and he is young, why would we give that up? He has been one of our more solid dmen so far


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Posted 24 January 2013 - 10:40 PM

 
 
Look at what Toronto paid for Kessel's rights....

That turned out so well!
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 10:43 PM

That turned out so well!

 

That was Burkie....this is reality lol. 

 

Yep, save for the attitude problems (maybe thats just Montreal and how players are rockstars there...?), he looks like a good one. He could be a great Wing for years to come. Seems like a no-brainer. 


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Posted 24 January 2013 - 10:43 PM

I'd give him 5.5M. He's young and would make our team better right now and a great piece for the future


Agreed. He has a very competitive nature...I like his fire. I heard ( and can't find the link) that he was offered 5 million and he wants 7....so yikes.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 12:53 AM

Ya, the way he has come in and played for us so far, I want to see more of him, he has potential and he is young, why would we give that up? He has been one of our more solid dmen so far

 

I'd rather have Subban than Lashoff.

 

Now, granted, it'd take more than Lashoff to land Subban via trade. But if it came down to "Throw Lashoff in and you've got yourself a deal," I'd pull that trigger.

 

Lashoff has been good. I don't think he projects all that high, though. He's here as a necessity; it's not that he was so strong in GR that Holland had no choice but to promote him to the big club.


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:19 AM

Subban has a horrific attitude. I know people here like to protest that attitude doesn't matter; those people should note that you haven't a clue if this is a case, given that Holland deliberately keeps the locker room free of such personalities. They are more disruptive to team cohesion than you think, and the Wings have long benefited from having a harmonious group.



Agreed. He has a very competitive nature...I like his fire. I heard ( and can't find the link) that he was offered 5 million and he wants 7....so yikes.

 

In no universe is he worth the salary of a top-five defenseman.



Yeah, cause giving Ericsson 3.2 a year was DEF worth it... :rolleyes:

 

Given the paucity of good free-agent defensemen and how important he is to the PK, yes, it was worth it. He would have been snapped up by another team for that price in a second had he gone to free agency.



Look at what Toronto paid for Kessel's rights....

 

And it was a terrible idea. What's your point?



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Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:00 AM

If PK was a free agent I'd be more inline with overpaying him to get here. But the fact we'd need to give up players and picks, then sign him to a huge deal, I can see that move really back firing. I like PK as a player, but his maturity is a question, it would only be a matter of time before people turn on him and his slashing penalties. He had double the penalty minutes as any other Wing's defenseman(Took out his 3 majors), other than Quincey(Still had more than him). I don't think you can realistically rely on Subban for a big time contract without him proving his reliability to not take bad penalties that hurt the team.

 

There is a reason Montreal isn't signing him, even though he's such a popular and good young player.


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:55 AM

I'd take him but only on a shorterm-contract. You can't predict if he fits and paying 6-7 Million to a more or less useless players on a long term would obviously cripple our team. But I doubt that Subban would sign a short term in Detroit if he doesn't do it in Montreal. 


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:11 AM

But I doubt that Subban would sign a short term in Detroit if he doesn't do it in Montreal. 

 

Maybe he wants out of Montreal. I get that he grew up on the Habs, but, well, who knows.

 

What I do know is I feel comfortable calling him a kid, which is weird for me because I'm but a wee 26. I think it reflects the good and bad of this package. On the good side, the kid is only 23 years old, and already he has established that he most definitely has the skills to pay the proverbial bills, and this on a shoddy team (2010-11: 14 goals and 24 assists in 17 regular season games with the Habs, 2011-12: helped lead the Habs to the ECF). On the decidedly bad side, the kid does seem to have some "issues." But he's 23. And he's not a Wing. Being a Wing has a way of humbling players and bringing out the best in them.

 

Is he exactly what we really, truly need on D right now? Not quite, no. But, beggars and choosers and all that. And he does have some great things to offer, no doubt it.


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:18 AM

Maybe he wants out of Montreal. I get that he grew up on the Habs, but, well, who knows.

 

That's the thing, he doesn't want out of Montreal. He and the franchise would've already been moving if they didn't see a mutual relationship that wanted to be retained. In all of his interviews, he praises Montreal and says that he wants nothing more than to stay with the club. He just thinks he rates more than he actually does.


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