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#1 unsaddleddonald

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 08:30 AM

Emmerton, Miller/Eaves, Abdelkader, Helm.

 

I won't blame the last guy as much as I'll blame the first three, but our PK hasn't been up to snuff the last 2/3 years and obviously this year it has been a disaster.

 

It's almost as if Babcock has this mindset: the guys on the 3rd and 4th lines will play the penalty kill.

 

If that is his thought process, considering who are our 3rd and 4th line players, then it is flawed. Penalty killers need to have a high hockey IQ. They need to be able to anticipate where the puck is going, play angles, and have the athleticism to attack the puck carrier without putting the rest of their linemates in jeopardy. 

 

We used to field our best players on the PK: Pav, Hank, The Captain, Fedorov, etc. I realize that using Pav and Hank on the PK now is risky due to endurance issues, but we lost a 2-0 twice because of taking stupid penalties and then the PK couldn't hold up.

 

I noticed Miller, Emmerton, and Abdelkader particularly last night how they would stay in the box and not pressure the puck carrier whatsoever and to boot they were playing pretty deep inside the blue line giving the point men A TON of space.

 

Need a change....



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Posted 26 January 2013 - 09:19 AM

1. Hire Draper and Maltby as special PK coaches.

2. ?

3. Profit.


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Posted 26 January 2013 - 09:55 AM

1. Hire Draper and Maltby as special PK coaches.

2. ?

3. Profit.

 

1. tighten up the defense, clear the crease

2. ?

3. PKit

 

I am starting to wonder, if Renney is the right guy for running our special teams.


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#4 The Axe

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:47 AM

Ericsson should help the pk out.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 12:50 PM

1. tighten up the defense, clear the crease

2. ?

3. PKit

 

I am starting to wonder, if Renney is the right guy for running our special teams.

Because of the lockout I'm guessing he's only had a couple weeks with the guys.  Time shall tell. 

 

And as Axe said, getting Ericsson back will help.  The PK suffered without him last year. 



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Posted 26 January 2013 - 12:55 PM

Emmerton, Miller/Eaves, Abdelkader, Helm.

 

I won't blame the last guy as much as I'll blame the first three, but our PK hasn't been up to snuff the last 2/3 years and obviously this year it has been a disaster.

 

It's almost as if Babcock has this mindset: the guys on the 3rd and 4th lines will play the penalty kill.

 

If that is his thought process, considering who are our 3rd and 4th line players, then it is flawed. Penalty killers need to have a high hockey IQ. They need to be able to anticipate where the puck is going, play angles, and have the athleticism to attack the puck carrier without putting the rest of their linemates in jeopardy. 

 

We used to field our best players on the PK: Pav, Hank, The Captain, Fedorov, etc. I realize that using Pav and Hank on the PK now is risky due to endurance issues, but we lost a 2-0 twice because of taking stupid penalties and then the PK couldn't hold up.

 

I noticed Miller, Emmerton, and Abdelkader particularly last night how they would stay in the box and not pressure the puck carrier whatsoever and to boot they were playing pretty deep inside the blue line giving the point men A TON of space.

 

Need a change....

That is the passize box. I don't know why the coaches haven't attempted a active/aggressive appraoch, but that is not on the players.



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Posted 26 January 2013 - 12:56 PM

Don't take stupid penalties would be the first start...

 

I'm not really liking Miller on the PK lately...



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Posted 26 January 2013 - 12:59 PM

That is the passize box. I don't know why the coaches haven't attempted a active/aggressive appraoch, but that is not on the players.

 

I only saw the highlights but in one of them the PK guys were all within arms length of one another in front of the net.  That seems way too close even for the passive box.



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Posted 26 January 2013 - 01:53 PM

The PK was 7 for 8 last night. Top 6 forwards did get time om the PK yesterday. Even Franzen



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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:52 PM

helm eaves huskins smith .. leave them on all 2 min should help big time. 



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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:00 PM

The PK ran at 87.5% last night.

 

As others have noted, Ericsson's return will pay dividends. As much as I've criticized the guy, he's very important on the PK. Huskins did quite well also. Carlo going down may have been a blessing in disguise.

 

On the subject of defensemen, did any of you notice Kindl throwing his size around last night?



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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:26 PM

Stay out of the box. Problem solved.



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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:33 PM

The PK ran at 87.5% last night.
 
As others have noted, Ericsson's return will pay dividends. As much as I've criticized the guy, he's very important on the PK. Huskins did quite well also. Carlo going down may have been a blessing in disguise.
 
On the subject of defensemen, did any of you notice Kindl throwing his size around last night?


Kindl takes way more abuse than he should. It amazes me how people around these parts dont understand the difference between legit NHL youngsters and longshot prospect youngsters.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:44 PM

keep is simple.

shift should be 25-30 seconds. most shifts i see are 45 seconds to a minute on PK

speed and high pressure on the puck carrier

clear it out. noticed quite a few that could have gone out last night that didnt

keep blocking shots

 

if that fails

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:23 PM

Kindl takes way more abuse than he should. It amazes me how people around these parts dont understand the difference between legit NHL youngsters and longshot prospect youngsters.

I didn't see the game but it's good to hear Kindl was using his size a little. 

 

I'm hard on him because he plays so much smaller than he is.  At 6'3" 216 lbs. he's bigger than guys like Kronwall, Quincey and Smith, all who are more physical.  He's about to turn 26 so is not really a youngster and is going on his third full season in the NHL.   Plus he was taken in the first round at #19, which is the highest draft pick the Wings have had in years.  

 

He has a lot of great qualities but can't seem to get it together.  The most frustrating to me of all is not only the lack of using his size but how timid he is going in to corners.  I've seen him bail out of a play to keep from getting hit way too many times. 

 

Hopefully he does get it together because the Wings will need all the help they can get this season on the blueline. 



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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:28 PM

I didn't see the game but it's good to hear Kindl was using his size a little. 
 
I'm hard on him because he plays so much smaller than he is.  At 6'3" 216 lbs. he's bigger than guys like Kronwall, Quincey and Smith, all who are more physical.  He's about to turn 26 so is not really a youngster and is going on his third full season in the NHL.   Plus he was taken in the first round at #19, which is the highest draft pick the Wings have had in years.  
 
He has a lot of great qualities but can't seem to get it together.  The most frustrating to me of all is not only the lack of using his size but how timid he is going in to corners.  I've seen him bail out of a play to keep from getting hit way too many times. 
 
Hopefully he does get it together because the Wings will need all the help they can get this season on the blueline. 



He will. We will all be liking Smith, Kindl, Ericsson, Lashoff for 10 years. They are all young, big, and good skaters. Just need confidence and intensity.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:59 PM


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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:26 PM

The PK ran at 87.5% last night.

 

As others have noted, Ericsson's return will pay dividends. As much as I've criticized the guy, he's very important on the PK. Huskins did quite well also. Carlo going down may have been a blessing in disguise.

 

On the subject of defensemen, did any of you notice Kindl throwing his size around last night?

 

I agree with you on the point about the PK, and I did think that Kindl was playing a little more physical.  Hopefully he keeps that up once he gets back into game shape. 


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Posted 26 January 2013 - 06:13 PM

1. Hire Draper and Maltby as special PK coaches.

2. ?

3. Profit.

Might be one of the few that got this South Park reference, but it made me lol. 

 

While there's supposed to be efforts from the Refs to remain consistent, there's a horrible inconsistency when it comes to calling games. Sometimes you get games like last night where you have 7+ minor penalties called against you, and some you are gonna see two called in the game total. I think last night can be half blamed on the Refs gettiing whistle happy and the other half dumb avoidable penalties. Mostly by Cleary. 

 

Hopefully we don''t see a whole lot more games like last night where we are in the box for over a half period of the game.


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Posted 26 January 2013 - 07:08 PM

Agreed. Penalty filled games suck.





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