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#1 Johnz96

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:53 AM

I think most of us would agree that Zetterberg is a great hockey player. I also think most of us would agree that Datsyuk is even better yet Zetterberg always gets a little more ice-time.

I guess Babcock must think Zetterberg is better because I can't think another reason why he would get more ice-time.



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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:00 AM

Detroit vs. Chicago datsyuk toi - 21:11 zetterberg 20:31

Detroit vs. Dallas Jan 23 Datsyuk 22:28 Zetterberg 22:13

Detroit vs. Columbus Datsyuk 24:01 Zetterberg 23:00

Detroit vs. St. Louis Datsyuk 20:31 Zetterberg 19:41

 

Your argument is invalid



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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:03 AM

Zetterberg is better than Datsyuk in his own end imo, so he gets more PK time. 


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:05 AM

Dats and Z are both fricking awesome. Zetts has a bit more speed, but Pasha has hands like no other. The dude is a witch.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:31 AM

Detroit vs. Chicago datsyuk toi - 21:11 zetterberg 20:31

Detroit vs. Dallas Jan 23 Datsyuk 22:28 Zetterberg 22:13

Detroit vs. Columbus Datsyuk 24:01 Zetterberg 23:00

Detroit vs. St. Louis Datsyuk 20:31 Zetterberg 19:41

 

Your argument is invalid

This yr  Z 21:15, D 20:46

2011-12  Z 19:50, D 19:34

2010-11  Z 19:35, D 19:19

2009-10  Z 20:02, D 20:20

2008-09  Z 19:52, D 19:12

2007-08  Z 22:04, D 21:23

2006-07  Z 20:50, D 19:57

2005-06  Z 18:57, D 17:53



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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:33 AM

i think the intent is that they get the same ice time.. just dumb luck (penalties, injuries, someone won't come off the ice, or whatever) that Z or D  just so happen to get 20ish seconds more per game; really not a big deal. 


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:36 AM

Ya this is a dumb thread in general, I just pointed out that 4 of the 6 games we've played this year Dats got more toi, but it was by like 1 shift, they basically get the same ice time, they are the top two lines, and they both basically get 20min/game



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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:37 AM

Zetterberg is better than Datsyuk in his own end imo, so he gets more PK time. 

Actually  this year Datsyuk has played 2:05 short handed and Zetterberg has played 1:29 shorthanded

Last year Datsyuk played 1:13 shorthanded and Zetterberg has played 1:04 shorthanded.

IMO Zetterberg is really good but Datsyuk is the best forward ever in his own end. Selke award voters probably agree that Datsyuk is better in his own end too.



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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:39 AM

Actually  this year Datsyuk has played 2:05 short handed and Zetterberg has played 1:29 shorthanded

Last year Datsyuk played 1:13 shorthanded and Zetterberg has played 1:04 shorthanded.

IMO Zetterberg is really good but Datsyuk is the best forward ever in his own end. Selke award voters probably agree that Datsyuk is better in his own end too.

 

Zetterberg scores more goals



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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:40 AM

Ya this is a dumb thread in general, I just pointed out that 4 of the 6 games we've played this year Dats got more toi, but it was by like 1 shift, they basically get the same ice time, they are the top two lines, and they both basically get 20min/game

This yr  Z 21:15, D 20:46


2011-12  Z 19:50, D 19:34


2010-11  Z 19:35, D 19:19


2009-10  Z 20:02, D 20:20


2008-09  Z 19:52, D 19:12


2007-08  Z 22:04, D 21:23


2006-07  Z 20:50, D 19:57


2005-06  Z 18:57, D 17:53

 

Zetterberg always gets a little more for some reason



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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:43 AM

This yr  Z 21:15, D 20:46


2011-12  Z 19:50, D 19:34


2010-11  Z 19:35, D 19:19


2009-10  Z 20:02, D 20:20


2008-09  Z 19:52, D 19:12


2007-08  Z 22:04, D 21:23


2006-07  Z 20:50, D 19:57


2005-06  Z 18:57, D 17:53

 

Zetterberg always gets a little more for some reason

 

Take some valium maybe that will help you sleep tonight, since the 1 shift difference seems  to bother you oh so very much



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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:43 AM

This yr  Z 21:15, D 20:46

2011-12  Z 19:50, D 19:34

2010-11  Z 19:35, D 19:19

2009-10  Z 20:02, D 20:20

2008-09  Z 19:52, D 19:12

2007-08  Z 22:04, D 21:23

2006-07  Z 20:50, D 19:57

2005-06  Z 18:57, D 17:53

 

The average difference is 34 seconds, or one shift. And it has decline over time.



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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:51 AM

Dats is better

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:55 AM

Take some valium maybe that will help you sleep tonight, since the 1 shift difference seems  to bother you oh so very much

it's not bothering me much, I noticed he consistently gives Z more time, it's just that I would think most coaches would play their best forward a little more than the second best rather than the other way around. All together Zetterberg must have played close to 1000 mins (which is the equibvalent of about 50 games for them) more than Datsyuk in games they have both played in.

The difference is even greater in the playoffs

2011-12  Z 23:05, D 21:17

2010-11  Z 21:59, D 21:09

2009-10  Z 20:25, D 18:48

2008-09  Z 22:09, D 20:06

2007-08  Z 22:36, D 21:40

2006-07  Z 22:44, D 22:03

Babcock must think Z is better


Edited by Johnz96, 30 January 2013 - 01:58 AM.


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 02:02 AM

You need to factor in the players on their lines for all of those seasons, how often they were on the same line together, injuries and length of time missed, etc. There's nothing reflecting favoritism here at all because the differences are so small and there's a tremendous amount of factors outside of the numbers.


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 02:11 AM

It's widely known that Datsyuk is better than Zetterberg but their own coach believes the opposite. Yeah. Yes. Ok.



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Posted 30 January 2013 - 02:12 AM

You need to factor in the players on their lines for all of those seasons, how often they were on the same line together, injuries and length of time missed, etc. There's nothing reflecting favoritism here at all because the differences are so small and there's a tremendous amount of factors outside of the numbers.

In the regular season the difference are so small but are a little bigger in the playoffs and so consistent that there must be some favoritism



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Posted 30 January 2013 - 02:14 AM

In the regular season the difference are so small but are a little bigger in the playoffs and so consistent that there must be some favoritism

I think the first thing they teach you in sports is "stats aren't everything"



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Posted 30 January 2013 - 02:57 AM

Maybe Z takes a little longer to get off the ice after his shifts.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:48 AM

Zetterberg is grittier and has a shoot first mentality. Datsyuk has the best hands in the game. He's also the best passer in the league. I don't know if it's fair to compare them, they compliment each other and that makes them both great.







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