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I don't think Howard's great or as good as his biggest fans here do, but he's at the very least more than capable of being an above average to very good goalie, and he has shown that he's capable of greatness in certain moments. I also feel like he's gotten a raw deal here from the start too.

Babcock's consistently rode him very hard, rarely giving him a break, especially in his first couple years when he should've been given a lower-pressure role to adjust to the NHL, and he should not have been dropped into the playoffs as early as he was. I tend to think that he'd be a bit steadier now if he had been given a smoother transition into the NHL. And again, just day to day, I think he'd be a bit better if given breaks a little more often. I think Babcock does a lot of things right, but I don't like the way he manages goalies.

Obviously it's a rough situation right now with injuries and McCollum and a shortened schedule and more pressure, but I just don't think it's good to have your goalie starting the vast majority of games unless he's one of the very few elite goalies who have proven that they can handle it. Those goalies proved it in the playoffs; Howard hasn't done that yet. But like I said, I don't think he's had a fair shake heading into the playoffs. He was the only bright spot last year in the playoffs, but that's unfortunately not saying much either.

In any event, I don't think you can hold much of what's gone on this season against him. He's been fairly good with a crap team in front of him that gets crappier with every injury. And he hasn't gotten a single break this year so far!!! Just because he's not stealing every game and racking up shutouts against all odds this season doesn't make him "average."

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I was not a big fan of Howard. I really didn't like how he was called up seemingly because he was out of option years. I didn't think he was ready, and thought didn't belong in the organization. I felt his rebound control was a huge issue and that his angles needed a lot of work. I've come around on most of these lines of thinking, as he is solid now but I still don't feel he is elite. I doubt I ever will. More like, above average.

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Im glad everyone recognizes that he's not elite. Thats my main point. With the squad we got right now, we need an elite keeper.

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Im glad everyone recognizes that he's not elite. Thats my main point. With the squad we got right now, we need an elite keeper.

No, that's not your point. You said he was average. You didn't say "Howard = Not elite"; you said "Howard = Average" and then you said

I told you all this guy was just average and would struggle without #5. Seems like the Mrazek train is leaving the station and everyone is getting on board. I punched my ticket.

What? Please tell me what the Mrazek train is? The magical NHL games he played? We have absolute NO knowledge how he is going to play in his first game, nor in the NHL. There is NO Mrazek train and it hasn't even ARRIVED at the station. Once again, "just average" doesn't translate to "not elite". If you're going to start a thread, and try to make a point, please don't backtrack the moment people don't agree with you.

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Cuz you love it. I usually try to wait until the next day so I can see the whole storm for what is was.

Its not the same as weathering it in real time.

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Average goalie goalie on an average team =.500 record. I think major changes need to be made to this team or a rebuild. They're simply not good enough as they are, even before Lidstrom left they needed to make major changes but didn't and now we're seeing a really sub-par product.

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Average goalie goalie on an average team =.500 record. I think major changes need to be made to this team or a rebuild. They're simply not good enough as they are, even before Lidstrom left they needed to make major changes but didn't and now we're seeing a really sub-par product.

I agree. We have 2 all-stars at the end of their primes and thats about it. Time to pony up for some ufa's or go in the tank for a few years.

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I agree. We have 2 all-stars at the end of their primes and thats about it. Time to pony up for some ufa's or go in the tank for a few years.

Ya as much as i'd hate to see them go, i'd rather that then the team waste more time on a team that's obviously not good enough. I don't want us to be like Calgary, in denial for years that it's time to rebuild.

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And they are elite? Please. And even if they are you think Vancouver is gonna trade one of them to us? I'll pass on both. Thx.

Elite goalie below

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Howard is not the problem, which many have said. but and here is the million dollar question, who is elite and with what would we get them? we don't have much to trade. as for UFA's this off season, with what money? Fil, brunner, and Howard are all UFA's and should be resigned. That will take 15+ million to do. There goes our UFA budget, unless we decide to buy out some folks.

The team is 18th in GFA and 24th in GAA. That sucks. Rebuilding/retooling is in order and should have been started 2-3 years ago. But it wasn't. So yes, it will get worse before it gets better.

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Why is everyone suggesting we need to get an elite goalie? We have an above-average one right now, that has been improving every single season. At that, he isn't tying our hands with a huge contract. What this team needs to do is start playing like a team. They need the defense to play some defense and the offense to play some offense. Howard will do his job, he's proven he can and will do it. He simply can't handle this workload though, and mentally it has to be frustrating to know that everything relies on you because you have noone the franchise believes in yet. Mrazek will have his chance to play this weekend, we're absolutely sure to see him play in one of the weekend back-to-back games (Unless Monster magically comes back before then). Elite goalies aren't some rapid breeding species, they're rare and they come at a premium, such does great defensemen.

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I don't think the Nucks would give up Schneider at this point. It's known Luongo is probably on his way out, but he has another decade on his contract. No thanks.

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Nucks will ride out Luongo this year, either win the Stanley Cup or not, and then deal him immediately in the offseason.

I know the Nucks aren't very popular around here, but we do rather have them win a cup than St. Louis, Chicago or Pittsburgh.

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Schneider would be a good pickup

He has a better team in front of him and is playing worse than Howie... no thanks

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Since there are people on LGW who think Datsyuk and Zetterberg are better than Crosby, I question the choices of our members pertaining to who is and isn't an elite goalie.

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