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4 Forwards that are/may be available, that help us:

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NO the D is not pretty good and is the main reason for concern. It all starts with the D -> move the puck to the forwards and create chances. Dubinsky and Hornquist are not avaiable, Stafford will come with a steep pricetag and doesn't add some much needed grit or defensive responsibility. Kulemin is a third line player, a great one at that but he won't help the Wings.

The Wings need cap space - while the cap will drop to only 64,2 m next season - to sign Brunner and raise Howards salary, whatever capspace remains should be used to improve the D.

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Don't do anything rash, the Wings are middle of the pack right now. I like our young guys like Tartar and Andersson. Lets see what Nyquist can do, he may be expendable

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So a LW that is bigger, 2 years younger, and has already proven he can score 30 goals in a season isn't as good as Filppula who has yet to score more than 23 goals in a season. Ok got it. Forgot cheaper as well........

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What we need is a puck moving, quarterback, top pairing defenseman and a legit top 3 scorer....

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That is by no means a reliable source.

All sources are unreliable. That is why these are called rumors. But the point is, Stafford, Dubinsky, and yes Kulemin are rumored to be availabe. Hornqvist was my idea as I stated in the begining.

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All sources are unreliable. That is why these are called rumors. But the point is, Stafford, Dubinsky, and yes Kulemin are rumored to be availabe. Hornqvist was my idea as I stated in the begining.

Yeah a trade with the Preds, Jackets, and Leafs is totally reasonable. None of them hate us. Get on board guys.

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You do know our biggest problem is not having a #1 Defenseman, right?

yup...the lidstrom/rafalski retirements really hits us hard.

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So a LW that is bigger, 2 years younger, and has already proven he can score 30 goals in a season isn't as good as Filppula who has yet to score more than 23 goals in a season. Ok got it. Forgot cheaper as well........

Which player are you referring to? Kulemin?

He's not exactly going to be available unless the Leafs fall out of contention. Also goals aren't everything Filppula has the highest single season point total of all the players you want.

In a shortened season where everyone is considered a playoff contender the few teams that are sellers will be getting insanely high returns for anyone they deal.

There is absolutely no chance in the world that ANY team is going to be getting all 4 of those players. It would cost them their farm teams and their draft picks for the next few years considering the prices this year.

Acquiring all 4 of them would cost us several of Nyquist, Tatar, Smith, Sproul, Ouelette, Marchenko, Mrazek, our first round picks for the next few years and possibly some later round picks as well.

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You do know our biggest problem is not having a #1 Defenseman, right?

But a defenseman doesn't score goals as often, so it's less exciting for the less knowledgeable fan. Sign more forwards!

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Acquiring all 4 would be impossible. 3 would probably be a stretch. We just don't have that many tradeable assets. Then there's the fact that two of the trade partners are current division rivals and the other two will be next year. Also cuts very close to the cap, and could potentially cause trouble the year after next when Datsyuk, Ericsson, and Quincey need to be re-signed or replaced.

Fun to fantasize about and on paper it might look great, but there's only so much ice time to go around. All those guys aren't going to match or better their career highs, some may not fit in at all, and most importantly I think is that it just ignores the real problem: Datsyuk and Zetterberg.

Prior to the last 7 games, we were averaging just under 3 gpg. That's boosted a bit by the big game against Vancouver, but even if you replace that game with a "normal" good game (say 4-5 goals), it's still around 2.75. Not great, but not too bad considering we've had at least one top six forward out for over half the year, and none of White, Quincey, or Smith are producing any offense.

We've scored 10 goals in the last 7 games, and Pav and Hank have combined for just 5 points. Hank has 1 goal in 19 games. Any team is going to struggle scoring when their stars are slumping at the same time. Surrounding them with 2nd-tier scorers (with 2nd-tier salaries) won't necessarily help as much as you might think, as those players usually depend on the stars to get their production.

Overall, Pav and Hank are still having a good year, and I expect they'll turn it around soon enough. The real worry comes in the future. If already we're seeing slumps like this (and the start of last season), what will happen in 2-3 years? If they continue to decline, and this becomes more the norm, then players like those listed aren't going to help. Or at least, not make us a contender. Just the opposite actually. We'll be fighting the cap, most/all of those guys will have much lower trade value, we'd have given up our entire next generation to get them, and likely stuck in a mediocrity trap where were too good to land a top pick but not good enough to do anything meaningful.

Instead of 4 complimentary players, what we really need is a 3rd star. Someone to ease the pressure on Pav and Hank, and young and good enough to assume the lead when they decline. Complimetary roles are best filled with cheaper kids and vets, and maybe a couple in their prime. Unfortunately, the prospects for getting another star aren't good. Failing that, stockpiling picks and prospects is the best bet. It's a more certain, and likely deeper, decline; but the recovery should come quicker and be more lasting. Adding one of those guys would be alright, if the price was cheap.

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Back when I started this thread, I was working under the assuption that most if not all of the top UFA's would resign with their current clubs. Which is kinda what is happening. So, before all the silly insults started, these are the type of guys we have to take a look at. Guys that are out of favor with their current clubs, impending RFA's, or on teams that are out of the race and looking to sell off.

One more tha i would add to the list is: Okposo with the Isles. He is only 24, a RH shooter, has good size, very good defensively and has a resonable contract. With all of that beign said, why would they move him? well.... it is the Isles and they have some real weird payroll limits. He has already shown he can score at the NHL level. 3 different seasons with 18 or more goals, not a bad job on a really bad team.

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Back when I started this thread, I was working under the assuption that most if not all of the top UFA's would resign with their current clubs. Which is kinda what is happening. So, before all the silly insults started, these are the type of guys we have to take a look at. Guys that are out of favor with their current clubs, impending RFA's, or on teams that are out of the race and looking to sell off.

One more tha i would add to the list is: Okposo with the Isles. He is only 24, a RH shooter, has good size, very good defensively and has a resonable contract. With all of that beign said, why would they move him? well.... it is the Isles and they have some real weird payroll limits. He has already shown he can score at the NHL level. 3 different seasons with 18 or more goals, not a bad job on a really bad team.

Can't see the Islanders parting with one of their up and coming young forwards. Plus, they won't have any issues with their "cap limits" in the near future. Most of their good young guys are under contract long term and will have the same cap hit for atleast the next 3 years, and they'll have big space opening up with Visnovsky and his $5.6mil cap hit leaving soon and the impending amnesty buyout of DiPietro.

The problem with acquiring the players that you are recommending is that they will be expensive. For the cost, none of them are really going to take this team to the next level.

Also, the only UFA's that have resigned probably wouldn't have moved anyway. Even though speculation was being fabricated, the likelyhood that Anaheim, which is one of the best teams in the league, would trade Perry or Getzlaf was extremely minimal. The only other UFA that has resigned is Timonen. That one may be questionable for Philly, but at the time they were still pretty close to a playoff spot in the East.

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Anyone can be traded, it is all about the details. We have several pieces that can be used to make a deal. yes all of the guys I mentioned make us better right now than tatar, Nyquist, andersson, and the rest of the prospects do. these are guys that have PROVEN they can perform. Propspects haven't, which of course why they are called prospects. Now will that remain true years from now? That is always the risk/question involved.

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I'd say Kenny should look into the + 20yr -olds that are not playing their best atm for whatever reason, but who still have potential.

For every Turris, Voracek, Tlusty, Hodgson etc. there's still Wolski's around, so it can be a bit of a crapshoot.

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I'd say Kenny should look into the + 20yr -olds that are not playing their best atm for whatever reason, but who still have potential.

For every Turris, Voracek, Tlusty, Hodgson etc. there's still Wolski's around, so it can be a bit of a crapshoot.

Every move/non move is a crap shoot. Same is true with prospects. untill they actually do it, you just don't know. But when you can get guys that are between 24-27 and already have track records of scoring goals, you do minimialize the risk.

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I'd say Kenny should look into the + 20yr -olds that are not playing their best atm for whatever reason, but who still have potential.

For every Turris, Voracek, Tlusty, Hodgson etc. there's still Wolski's around, so it can be a bit of a crapshoot.

Ya but we have enough players not playing to their potential. It is a big risk taking on someone like that when the team is already struggling, If we brought in some more high end talent I would say go for it, until then I say focus more on getting a number 1 dman and another top 6 forward

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Anyone can be traded, it is all about the details. We have several pieces that can be used to make a deal. yes all of the guys I mentioned make us better right now than tatar, Nyquist, andersson, and the rest of the prospects do. these are guys that have PROVEN they can perform. Propspects haven't, which of course why they are called prospects. Now will that remain true years from now? That is always the risk/question involved.

Sure they would make the team better, but that isn't what I said. I don't think adding (Hornqvist, Stafford, Okposo, Kulemin, etc) at the expense of subtracting good picks and/or prospects gives this team any better chance of pushing Anaheim, Chicago or even LA out of the way in the playoffs. For what they cost, none would really make the team that much better down the road either and we'd all be at square one still bitching about how Holland coughs up all of the teams 1st rounders.

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Well, I don't know about the four you mentioned in the OP, but if Vancouver is in serious need of a center, I will most definitely take Alex Burrows off their hands for Filppula. But I honestly don't think Holland is going to do anything this deadline. Especially if he picks up a couple of UFA NCAA guys...hint hint Holland...

But just for entertainment purposes:

to VAN: Filppula, Nyquist, 2013 1st Rd.

to DET: Burrows, 2013 1st Rd.

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Well, I don't know about the four you mentioned in the OP, but if Vancouver is in serious need of a center, I will most definitely take Alex Burrows off their hands for Filppula. But I honestly don't think Holland is going to do anything this deadline. Especially if he picks up a couple of UFA NCAA guys...hint hint Holland...

But just for entertainment purposes:

to VAN: Filppula, Nyquist, 2013 1st Rd.

to DET: Burrows, 2013 1st Rd.

I also doubt that Vancouver would want to do business with a team that they are battling with for playoff positioning. Also, swapping firsts would be dumb since they are right next to each other in the standings.

In breaking your trade down, all Vancouver really gets is a proven top 6 center as a playoff rental who has no guarantee of staying with the team, and an almost NHL ready prospect who's NHL potential is still an unknown. Detroit on the other hand, gets a proven and affordable top 6 forward who is guaranteed to be with the team for the next 4 seasons.

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all of our offence is derived from the D. if we cant get out of the zone clean, with speed, we cant enter and establish.

the primary need of this team is puck handling defenseman.

streit and visnovfsky come to mind.

although, im not against stafford...we have enough of the muckers, and passers down low.

we need snipers too.

rumors are that fleishmann is in play out of florida. (fleishmann-datsyuk-brunner line) WOW.

hornquist would be good as well, but nashville is in that " central division hate" for the wings = no trade.

kenny knows that next year we have a whole new set of teams that will hate us...lets shop there now!

acquire weiss in the off season!

Good points.

Since the Red Wings still play a "puck possession" style it would be best to see if any "decent" puck moving Dmen are available; Streit would be a nice addition.

Of the op's list - I'd prefer Dubinsky.

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