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WCSF Game 1 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Blackhawks 4, (CHI leads series 1-0)

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This seems to be an LGW pattern year after year, but I always find it funny that when the Wings get severely worked over in a game or series, LGW'ers key in on that 12th forward or 6th defenseman as the thing we can change to turn things around. I think there's a lot of people with egg on their face about Tootoo, who dismissed the fact that he was a healthy scratch all year, and that (except for one surprising deflection down the stretch) he was an absolute non-factor towards anything having to do with a scoring sheet. The Hawks ultimately dominated that game last night - did Daniel Carcillo have anything to do with it? So what is it about this impulse to throw in bit players and expect them to completely change the dynamics of the 52 minutes they aren't even on the ice?

Brendan Smith needs to sit down. I'll admit to being wrong about him - I had a (quiet) suspicion that he was "over-ripened" and showed Top 4 Defenseman potential. He might still do that someday, but he cannot be trusted right now. That was one of the single worst defensive performances I can recall as a Wings fan, dating back to the days when they couldn't figure out that Derian Hatcher couldn't skate anymore. We're talking Lebda's worst day, multiplied by four, levels of futility. He may have only directly generated their first goal, but his constant turnovers and inability to ever solidly possess the puck in our own zone were extremely unsettling to the team. Give me Ian White, Lashoff, whatever...just not that again.

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Still a winnable series. Played better then them in the 1st, and ran out of gas midway thru the 2nd and relied on Howard. He was great last night, get our legs back and take home ice back in Game 2.

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Yep. It's all on Danny. Forget the fact that there were consistent and incessant f***-ups all over the ice last night by every one of our guys except Howard. This Cleary crap has become weirdly obsessive and way over-simplistic. And NO. I do not agree that he is consistently the worst player on the ice.

That's fine, I think a majority disagree with you though. He was responsible for a 2 goal swing alone (Not shooting/not covering his man). Anytime he touches the puck he turns it over, he will try to skate into the zone, dump it to them, or trap himself against the boards and have it taken. Edited by ben_usmc

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That's fine, I think a majority disagree with you though. He was responsible for a 2 goal swing alone (Not shooting/not covering his man). Anytime he touches the puck he turns it over, he will try to skate into the zone, dump it to them, or trap himself against the boards and have it taken.

Thanks for thinking that's fine about what I said. Of course I know I'm in the minority. I don't care. Doesn't change my opinion. And I believe what you really meant to say was that most other posters agree with you. That's fine too.

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I am not at all suprised how Chicago played, they were fast, made great passes, put the pressure on our d and made us look bad, this is exactly how they played for 48 games. They are a very good squad. They played good, did the things they wanted and we played pretty bad. Bad combo. We will get better...Need to limit turnovers and shoot the puck alot more. We need 4 of our best games to beat these guys.

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Feeling okay today. Expecting a game 1 victory on away ice (and to that degree...Chicago in the UC) against the President's Trophy winners was a very, very tall order. Our job is to split and get back to the Joe.

For my captain obvious statement of the day: Not the single reason we lost last night, but I do believe we lost our legs in the late 2nd and 3rd. IMO..there is no doubt the boys went out in Anaheim and have a few "pops" after the game 7 win. Jimmy even eluded to this fact (with a wry smile) in post game interview. Next day, long flight back to the D. Players go home and scramble to make up quality time with family/friends for a half day since they've virtually been preoccupied for the last two weeks with beating the Ducks. Next day, onto Chicago and flight to windy city and back in a hotel room. Players bodies probably still adjusting to not being on PST time. It got to them. Ran on adrenaline for the first half of the game, then nothing. It happens. That's why playing the in West has/had been such a disadvantage to us.

One other observation: I can't stand the light feather chip pass/shot when we are trying desperately to clear our own zone. We do this A LOT! When guys have been on the ice for 50 seconds and are dead tired, and the other team is all over us (I mean hornets nest ALL OVER US!) , we go for the soft chip up the boards. I don't get it?? In those situations, you have to hard around or hard out, and take the icing if it happens. I know we can't change lines in that case, but at the very least you'll get a 30 second breather to regroup. Last night the Hawks had two forwards standing atop at blue line, just waiting to intercept these attempts. They'd prevent our clearing attempt, long pass along blue line to other side of ice, and their in business with a good set up. It drives me crazy!!!!

Lastly, Quincy needs to sit. His transition game in our own zone is slow, predictable, and pathetic. Just bad.

Our job is to split and get back home. Let's do this.

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Feeling okay today. Expecting a game 1 victory on away ice (and to that degree...Chicago in the UC) against the President's Trophy winners was a very, very tall order. Our job is to split and get back to the Joe.

For my captain obvious statement of the day: Not the single reason we lost last night, but I do believe we lost our legs in the late 2nd and 3rd. IMO..there is no doubt the boys went out in Anaheim and have a few "pops" after the game 7 win. Jimmy even eluded to this fact (with a wry smile) in post game interview. Next day, long flight back to the D. Players go home and scramble to make up quality time with family/friends for a half day since they've virtually been preoccupied for the last two weeks with beating the Ducks. Next day, onto Chicago and flight to windy city and back in a hotel room. Players bodies probably still adjusting to not being on PST time. It got to them. Ran on adrenaline for the first half of the game, then nothing. It happens. That's why playing the in West has/had been such a disadvantage to us.

One other observation: I can't stand the light feather chip pass/shot when we are trying desperately to clear our own zone. We do this A LOT! When guys have been on the ice for 50 seconds and are dead tired, and the other team is all over us (I mean hornets nest ALL OVER US!) , we go for the soft chip up the boards. I don't get it?? In those situations, you have to hard around or hard out, and take the icing if it happens. I know we can't change lines in that case, but at the very least you'll get a 30 second breather to regroup. Last night the Hawks had two forwards standing atop at blue line, just waiting to intercept these attempts. They'd prevent our clearing attempt, long pass along blue line to other side of ice, and their in business with a good set up. It drives me crazy!!!!

Lastly, Quincy needs to sit. His transition game in our own zone is slow, predictable, and pathetic. Just bad.

Our job is to split and get back home. Let's do this.

100% agree, we are not skilled enough at the back end anymore to finesse the puck out of our own end every time. We are removed from the days of Lids, Rafalski and even Stuart had a good first pass. We need to suck it up and hack it out a lot more. As soon as Chicago saw that we were going to wimp it up the boards every time they just started pinching their d almost every time. It's not rocket science.

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The defense was horrable. Break downs left & right. Honestly the Wings were forunate to only give up 4. The flat out left Howard out to dry a few times.

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Am I the only one who thinks we didn't play that bad as a team? For the most part anyways. Our D wasn't so great and we didn't throw enough rubber at Crawford, but I thought we were good in finishing our checks, being hungry on the puck, and we had good goaltending. Watching that game, I wasn't pissed off because Chicago dominated us; I wouldn't have made that conclusion. They played an overall better game than we did, but I've seen much worse on-ice products from the Wings this year than that. I liked our compete level.

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If shooting is the problem, then Flip and Cleary need to be kept off the same line. Cleary will shoot, but he loses the puck just as often. Flip will try to pass on a breakaway. Kills all offense.

Yesterday it was Cleary who passed on a breakaway.

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Blackhawks owned the neutral zone. We need much better puck support. Once we got our cycle going in their zone we were good and creating chances. The team didn't want to work to get in the offensive zone was the problem.

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Tootoo shouldn't even be on the roster much less suiting up for the playoffs. He would make ZERO impact in this series as it stands right now.

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100% agree, we are not skilled enough at the back end anymore to finesse the puck out of our own end every time. We are removed from the days of Lids, Rafalski and even Stuart had a good first pass. We need to suck it up and hack it out a lot more. As soon as Chicago saw that we were going to wimp it up the boards every time they just started pinching their d almost every time. It's not rocket science.

Quincey has been surprisingly good all playoffs while having a giveaway machine as a partner. He's easily our 3rd best defenseman. I say at the very least put Kindl on with Quincey if Smith will never sit on Babcocks watch

Edit: meant to quote the above post

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I am not at all suprised how Chicago played, they were fast, made great passes, put the pressure on our d and made us look bad, this is exactly how they played for 48 games. They are a very good squad. They played good, did the things they wanted and we played pretty bad. Bad combo. We will get better...Need to limit turnovers and shoot the puck alot more. We need 4 of our best games to beat these guys.

This.

If I play the lottery and don't win, I don't need to go through hours of heartache and analysis. I don't need an academic study to explain why I didn't win.

The problem with having the sort of history that the Wings do is that you're never going to sneak up on anyone. And they didn't yesterday. But this is still a series. Maybe the Hawks get a bit complacent in game 2. It's not the Wings' job over the next 24-48 hours to figure out how to be better than Chicago. It's their job to make sure they're ready to capitalize in case they get an opening - for whatever reason (Chicago complacency, fortunate bounce, whatever).

A game 2 win isn't impossible, and that at least makes it a best of 5, with 3 at home...

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This.

If I play the lottery and don't win, I don't need to go through hours of heartache and analysis. I don't need an academic study to explain why I didn't win.

The problem with having the sort of history that the Wings do is that you're never going to sneak up on anyone. And they didn't yesterday. But this is still a series. Maybe the Hawks get a bit complacent in game 2. It's not the Wings' job over the next 24-48 hours to figure out how to be better than Chicago. It's their job to make sure they're ready to capitalize in case they get an opening - for whatever reason (Chicago complacency, fortunate bounce, whatever).

A game 2 win isn't impossible, and that at least makes it a best of 5, with 3 at home...

With all due respect.....Ummm, yes it is.

In case they get an opening?? Maybe I'm wrong on Babcock, but I don't think a gold medal, Stanley Cup winning coach of the freakin Detroit Red Wings waits around and prepares his team...just in case the Hawks lay down for a while and give us an opening!! I'm not a coach but I think this applies to more than just sports, but why wait around for something to happen that is completely out of your control (like Chicago giving us an opening)??? Why not focus on the things you can control like how YOUR team plays the game and how to be better than the other team.

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With all due respect.....Ummm, yes it is.

In case they get an opening?? Maybe I'm wrong on Babcock, but I don't think a gold medal, Stanley Cup winning coach of the freakin Detroit Red Wings waits around and prepares his team...just in case the Hawks lay down for a while and give us an opening!! I'm not a coach but I think this applies to more than just sports, but why wait around for something to happen that is completely out of your control (like Chicago giving us an opening)??? Why not focus on the things you can control like how YOUR team plays the game and how to be better than the other team.

You misunderstand me. What you're suggesting is exactly what I'm saying Babcock should do.

I'm also saying that it probably won't matter. Because if Chicago plays as well as they can, they're probably going to win, regardless. But you prepare just in case. Because as that other guy's signature says: hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.

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There was no fight or energy it really looked like a regular season game. Wings didn't show up from the 2nd on and the Hawks just took what was there. If the Wings played like that against any team left in the playoffs they would have lost. The Wings are way better than that game and the effort will be much better Saturday.

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You misunderstand me. What you're suggesting is exactly what I'm saying Babcock should do.

I'm also saying that it probably won't matter. Because if Chicago plays as well as they can, they're probably going to win, regardless. But you prepare just in case. Because as that other guy's signature says: hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.

Ok. Misunderstanding. However, you did specifically say that the Wings shouldn't focus on trying to be a better team than the Hawks, but to focus on being prepared "in case" the Hawks give us an opening. That was what I was addressing.

Lastly, I think you and I are just coming from two different places. I believe if the Hawks play as well as they can, and the Wings play as well as they can, the Wings will win. I'm not conceding an inch to the Hawks until they win four. I'm not intimidated by them winning the President Trophy. This is the NHL playoffs. I'm not waiting for them to play poorly for us to have a chance. Anything can happen. Kings were 8th seed last year! How many times have we won the Presidents Trophy and been knocked out to of the playoffs in early rounds? A lot. Sounds like you don't have a lot of confidence in the Wings being a flat out better team regardless of how the Hawks play. I do! To your last statement about talent and hard work, I truly believe we are the more talented team top to bottom. I've seen this team at times this year play like a team that ANY team would be hard pressed to beat, no quit. I BELIEVE!!!

btw...have you ever heard of Zig Ziglar?

Anyway, we're both Wings fans, so even though we have extremely different approaches/outlooks, I hope we both get what we want, a Wings series victory.

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At least it would solve a part of the turnover problem for sure. ;)

But honestly : Why sit him ? There were others who tunred over the puck (nearly) as badly as Smith. It was the whole defensive and offense who didn't look good in that department.

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Feeling okay today. Expecting a game 1 victory on away ice (and to that degree...Chicago in the UC) against the President's Trophy winners was a very, very tall order. Our job is to split and get back to the Joe.

For my captain obvious statement of the day: Not the single reason we lost last night, but I do believe we lost our legs in the late 2nd and 3rd. IMO..there is no doubt the boys went out in Anaheim and have a few "pops" after the game 7 win. Jimmy even eluded to this fact (with a wry smile) in post game interview. Next day, long flight back to the D. Players go home and scramble to make up quality time with family/friends for a half day since they've virtually been preoccupied for the last two weeks with beating the Ducks. Next day, onto Chicago and flight to windy city and back in a hotel room. Players bodies probably still adjusting to not being on PST time. It got to them. Ran on adrenaline for the first half of the game, then nothing. It happens. That's why playing the in West has/had been such a disadvantage to us.

One other observation: I can't stand the light feather chip pass/shot when we are trying desperately to clear our own zone. We do this A LOT! When guys have been on the ice for 50 seconds and are dead tired, and the other team is all over us (I mean hornets nest ALL OVER US!) , we go for the soft chip up the boards. I don't get it?? In those situations, you have to hard around or hard out, and take the icing if it happens. I know we can't change lines in that case, but at the very least you'll get a 30 second breather to regroup. Last night the Hawks had two forwards standing atop at blue line, just waiting to intercept these attempts. They'd prevent our clearing attempt, long pass along blue line to other side of ice, and their in business with a good set up. It drives me crazy!!!!

Lastly, Quincy needs to sit. His transition game in our own zone is slow, predictable, and pathetic. Just bad.

Our job is to split and get back home. Let's do this.

This 1,000 times!

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