Guest Johnz96 Report post Posted June 16, 2013 According to the reporters on HNIC the Flames offered their 3 1st rounders for Colorado's 1st overall and Colorado refused. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DeGraa55 Report post Posted June 16, 2013 Colorado must really want Jones...even more curious though. Why would the flames do that? They need to rebuild and add assets three first is very likely to land you top players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wing-in-avs-town 123 Report post Posted June 16, 2013 What are the Flames picks?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MileHighWingsGuy 178 Report post Posted June 16, 2013 http://sports.nationalpost.com/2013/06/15/how-joe-sakic-played-a-part-in-seth-jones-nhl-future/ Sakic and Jones relationship goes back a ways out here in Colorado. Since Sakic is now the man making the decisions I think there is zero doubt the outcome of the first overall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
martinezsvsu 240 Report post Posted June 16, 2013 doesnt make sense for a team like calgary to do that, they will get top ten picks for the next three years because they suck. consistently good teams i can see making this offer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
evilmrt 636 Report post Posted June 16, 2013 Stupid offer by Calgary...can't believe the Avs were so arrogant as to not take it. Avs need to reload....would have been a steal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Greek 323 Report post Posted June 16, 2013 Stupid offer by Calgary...can't believe the Avs were so arrogant as to not take it. Avs need to reload....would have been a steal. It's like they're shooting stupidity at each other. 5 P. Marlowe, evilmrt, Uncle Danny and 2 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RyanBarnes! 293 Report post Posted June 16, 2013 Three top ten picks is still not the same as a first overall pick, especially when a premier defenseman like Jones is available. Colorado is missing a no 1 defenseman badly and Calgary even more so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted June 16, 2013 Are you kidding? Three first round picks are a much better way to go when you're trying to rebuild, especially in such a deep, talented draft as this one. Just have a look at some of the players that "could" be available in Calgary's slots. With their 6th overall pick they could potentially get Darnell Nurse, Sean Monahan, Elias Lindholm or Valery Nichushkin. All extremely talented players that could possibly turn out to be better than Seth Jones. I know some people are going to think, "No way, Jones is a sure thing, a stud defenseman that is going to be a top defenseman in the league for a long time." And I think you'd be right but I also think Nurse is going to be a stud as well as the other three forwards mentioned. A team that is rebuilding should never make this trade but if a team that is rebuilding is offered this trade they should take it. To me, Calgary are stupid to have made the deal and Colorado are ever more stupid to have turned it down. With the opportunity to get three first rounders, they should have taken it for sure. Along with one of those players previously mentioned, there is a long list of other great players that they could grab with the 22nd and 28th picks. Some of the players are, Anthony Mantha, Adam Erne, Bo Horvat, Ryan Hartman, Kerby Rychel, Valentin Zykov, Nikita Zadorov, Alexander Wennberg, Curtis Lazar, Mirco Mueller, among many others. Obviously all of these players will not drop back to the 22nd and 28th picks but some of the will have to. There are going to be some great players and some are going to be real steals in the late first round for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RyanBarnes! 293 Report post Posted June 16, 2013 This draft indeed looks deep, but take a look at past drafts and you will find top talent from every year that never panned out. It happens in the top three also but rarely do these not make it to the NHL and more often than not they become impact players. If Jones develops into a top flight defenseman as expected it will be pretty difficult to explain why Colorado traded that pick. Nurse for example is a defensive defenseman from what I understand, he is not a two way franchise defenseman like Jones potentially is and every Red Wing fan should know how important those are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted June 16, 2013 Well the Flames are picking 6 + 22 + 28 so basically only one almost sure NHL player. I wouldn't pass on a guy like Jones, MacKinnon or Drouin for that. The Flames are looking at at least 4 years near the bottom, save for Baertschi their talent pool is amost non existent. I think Feaster needs to go and replaced by a real hockey guy. Maybe they are offering the job to Iginla. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted June 16, 2013 (edited) Avs fans/team are convinced they are 1 dman away from the playoffs. Whether that maybe true or not, under those ideas I wouldn't trade a potential generational dman (who already has a relationship with the team). Edited June 16, 2013 by ben_usmc 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422 Report post Posted June 16, 2013 (edited) Feaster is a mong. Remember that little ordeal that happened not too long ago with him? Ryan O'Reilly to be exact. Edited June 16, 2013 by St. Michael (the Red Wing) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted June 16, 2013 Feaster is a mong. Remember that little ordeal that happened not too long ago with him? Ryan O'Reilly to be exact. ...and who does O'Reilly play for. Oh. Right. The 'lanche. Nice way to shoot yourself in the foot for future dealings with Colorado. No wonder why the Flames are talking to Shanny about an executive position. Feaster out. Shanny in. 1 St. Michael (the Red Wing) reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted June 16, 2013 Avs fans/team are convinced they are 1 dman away from the playoffs. Whether that maybe true or not, under those ideas I wouldn't trade a potential generational dman (who already has a relationship with the team). They're an ownership group willing to spend money away from the playoffs. The same will be true of the Blues soon enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akustyk 84 Report post Posted June 17, 2013 Avs fans/team are convinced they are 1 dman away from the playoffs. Whether that maybe true or not, under those ideas I wouldn't trade a potential generational dman (who already has a relationship with the team). even if this was true, there is lik 0,01% chance that the star D-men will become the difference maker in his first NHL season. more like: they draft him now, add some decent pick/trade next season and around April 2015 there are signs of good team DNA, provided there's also veteran leadership to show the way. and it may land them playoffs, sure, but that's by far not meaning they'd be any successful. see: Washington Capitals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted June 17, 2013 even if this was true, there is lik 0,01% chance that the star D-men will become the difference maker in his first NHL season. more like: they draft him now, add some decent pick/trade next season and around April 2015 there are signs of good team DNA, provided there's also veteran leadership to show the way. and it may land them playoffs, sure, but that's by far not meaning they'd be any successful. see: Washington Capitals. YOU may think that, and I may agree. I'm simply telling you what a lot of Avs fans believe. They think their offense is good enough, goal tending inconsistent but with addition of an elite Dman they will have a huge turn around. Also Karlsson just came out a few years ago killing it, teams have very short memories and probably see that wondering if Jones will be the same. You're biggest problem is associating the Avs with success. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jedi 1,865 Report post Posted June 19, 2013 Adrian Dater with the Denver Post is reporting that the Avs are now more interested in a forward than Jones, with Sakic possibly hinting that they may trade off the 1st pick... If the Avalanche keeps the top pick in the June 30 NHL draft, it won't take the formerly presumptive candidate, defenseman Seth Jones.After a week of internal meetings, Avalanche brass came to a conclusion: Jones won't be their pick. Instead, it could be any one of three forwards: Nathan MacKinnon, Jonathan Drouin or Alexander Barkov."If we do pick first, we're leaning more toward one of those three forwards," Avalanche executive vice president of hockey operations Joe Sakic told The Denver Post.--READ STORY FOR MORE-- No one is saying they are interested in trading the #1 pick, but there sure are a lot of "If we do pick first" quotes there... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RyanBarnes! 293 Report post Posted June 19, 2013 Picking a forward does not make any sense to me, but at least now they will entertain all offers for the first pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422 Report post Posted June 19, 2013 (edited) Can't believe the Avs might pass on Seth Jones for a forward. Lucky #2 Edited June 19, 2013 by St. Michael (the Red Wing) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrasco 1,312 Report post Posted June 19, 2013 I was just coming to post that after reading this Avs/Jones post last night. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted June 20, 2013 Yeah one of 3 forwards? Mckinnon, Druin, who is the 3rd? Also they currently have ORielly, Duchene, Stastny as Centers, so I don't know why they would go Mckinnon. Maybe a buy out on Stastny? Either way why not take the 3 1st rounder if you aren't going Jones? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWingCraig 32 Report post Posted June 20, 2013 Yeah one of 3 forwards? Mckinnon, Druin, who is the 3rd? Also they currently have ORielly, Duchene, Stastny as Centers, so I don't know why they would go Mckinnon. Maybe a buy out on Stastny? Either way why not take the 3 1st rounder if you aren't going Jones? Barkov Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
