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#141 chrisdetroit

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 04:47 PM

Ok GM wanna bees, it's that time of the year.  No, we are not going to get a top six FA forward that is big and tough because there are none available.  Cleary will be re-signed.  Flip will go.  Bert will stay, Cola will be bought out.  Sammy will not be bought out because he will claim to be injured.  We will trade for a mediocre player and that will be it.

 

I'm not saying this as a Holland critic, I am saying that that is realitically what will happen.  There are no superstars available and the really good trades are to expensive. 

 

Remeber the trade deadline - Iginla, Jagr, Morrow.  None of them worked out.  Jagr got to the finals but didn't score a single goal in the playoffs.  And don't forget Nash last year. 

 

Holland is alot smarter than most fans.


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#142 GoWings1905

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 06:45 PM

Why do we have to acquire anyone?

Bye to Flips, Cleary, Bertuzzi, and Samuelsson.

That leaves:

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And 10+ million in the bank for a deadline pick up.

Weiss? Come on. He blows.

 

Because the roster you just proposed stinks? That forward group is atrocious, even if you include the missing Franzen. 



Ok GM wanna bees, it's that time of the year.  No, we are not going to get a top six FA forward that is big and tough because there are none available.  Cleary will be re-signed.  Flip will go.  Bert will stay, Cola will be bought out.  Sammy will not be bought out because he will claim to be injured.  We will trade for a mediocre player and that will be it.

 

I'm not saying this as a Holland critic, I am saying that that is realitically what will happen.  There are no superstars available and the really good trades are to expensive. 

 

Remeber the trade deadline - Iginla, Jagr, Morrow.  None of them worked out.  Jagr got to the finals but didn't score a single goal in the playoffs.  And don't forget Nash last year. 

 

Holland is alot smarter than most fans.

 

Clarkson, Horton, Clowe, Bickell are available to name a few. I don't know that tough qualifies for all of them, but they would provide size and skill.


 
 
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Posted 25 June 2013 - 06:52 PM

 

So your argument is that because the team didn't win the Cup, Holland was stupid for not trading him. That doesn't have much basis, given that Holland cannot see the future. More, this team came only one goal away from the conference finals. The fact that the team performed so well in the playoffs vindicated his decision to keep Filppula, especially given that the latter set up one winning goal against Anaheim and scored another himself. 

 

Anyway, to the crux of your argument: there is not the faintest chance that Filppula, who was having a terrible season, would have drawn a 1st-round pick. He'd have garnered a 2nd, at best. For reference, Filppula finished the season ranked 198th in scoring amongst forwards.

 

 

 

yes . holland himself said there was a good chance we werent gonna get in the playoffs , realistically deep down we all knew detroit wasnt gonna win it all this year AND we knew his salary demands there was no way we should not of traded him 

 

well again were gonna have to disagree at the least we could of had that jagr type deal dallas got from boston , yes jagr is a hall of famer but hes 41-42  where as filppula is 28-29 and is a great 2 way player who knows what it takes to win

 

again were just gonna have to agree to disagree on what filppula could of fetched us at the deadline

 

 

sorry with the quote thing i really dont know why its like this most of replys now


Edited by nyqvististhefuture, 25 June 2013 - 06:53 PM.


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Posted 25 June 2013 - 07:17 PM

Keeping Filppula got us within 1 goal of having a serious chance at winning the cup. Hindsight is 20/20, but there is no way to say that Filppula should have been traded unless it was for a star.

If Flip would shoot the puck 1/10 of the times he should have, we may have beat the Hawks in 5 or 6.  There's 2 sides to every story.  A happy ending would have been for Flip to be traded to Boston along with Cleary and the Wings maybe get bounced in the 2nd round anyways, but we'd have a little more to work with at the draft table or a good young prospect.  I was on the side at the deadline that wanted to trade Flip for picks.


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Posted 25 June 2013 - 08:06 PM

 
Because the roster you just proposed stinks? That forward group is atrocious, even if you include the missing Franzen. 


 
Clarkson, Horton, Clowe, Bickell are available to name a few. I don't know that tough qualifies for all of them, but they would provide size and skill.


Dude, I forgot Franzen!!! Oops.

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 08:17 PM

Dude, I forgot Franzen!!! Oops.

 

No worries. I generally forget about him too when he's playing.


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#147 BleedRed&White25

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 12:41 AM

Dude, I forgot Franzen!!! Oops.

 

You also managed to forget everyone's favorite spark plug - Helm :nono:  :P


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Posted 26 June 2013 - 01:26 AM

yes . holland himself said there was a good chance we werent gonna get in the playoffs , realistically deep down we all knew detroit wasnt gonna win it all this year AND we knew his salary demands there was no way we should not of traded him 

 

Holland said that he was unsure if the Wings would make the playoffs. He did not say that there was a good chance they would not. In the event, they did, and Filppula's contributions, though bare, were important. The mere fact that the Wings made the playoffs and almost made the conference finals pretty much vindicates Holland's choice to hang on to his 2nd-line left wing.

 

On a grammatical note, it's should have.

 

 

 

well again were gonna have to disagree at the least we could of had that jagr type deal dallas got from boston , yes jagr is a hall of famer but hes 41-42  where as filppula is 28-29 and is a great 2 way player who knows what it takes to win

 

Jagr had 24 points in 36 games when the trade deadline rolled around. He is a big body, a future Hall-of-Famer, and a proven winner. Filppula was in the midst of one of the worst seasons of his career. More, he is none of the above, nor is he a "great" two-way player; he is, rather, merely a fairly good one.

 

In other words, there's no comparison. Jagr came along with production, physical assets, and intangibles, none of which Filppula brought to the table. Filppula may have fetched a 3rd-round draft pick.


Edited by Crymson, 26 June 2013 - 01:56 AM.


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Posted 26 June 2013 - 01:46 AM

Ok GM wanna bees, it's that time of the year.  No, we are not going to get a top six FA forward that is big and tough because there are none available.  Cleary will be re-signed.  Flip will go.  Bert will stay, Cola will be bought out.  Sammy will not be bought out because he will claim to be injured.  We will trade for a mediocre player and that will be it.

 

I'm not saying this as a Holland critic, I am saying that that is realitically what will happen.  There are no superstars available and the really good trades are to expensive. 

 

Remeber the trade deadline - Iginla, Jagr, Morrow.  None of them worked out.  Jagr got to the finals but didn't score a single goal in the playoffs.  And don't forget Nash last year. 

 

Holland is alot smarter than most fans.

 

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#150 The Axe

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 01:58 AM

Wings need Lucic. If we had Lucic and Horton instead of Franzen and Filppula, we'd be champs.

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 02:11 AM

I honestly think Filpulla is asking for so much and such a long deal because he knows this is as good as he is gonna get and might as well capitalize on a weak free agent class while he has the chance. 7 year deal and he is set for the rest of his career.

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 09:52 AM

 

 

Jagr had 24 points in 36 games when the trade deadline rolled around. He is a big body, a future Hall-of-Famer, and a proven winner. Filppula was in the midst of one of the worst seasons of his career. More, he is none of the above, nor is he a "great" two-way player; he is, rather, merely a fairly good one.

 

In other words, there's no comparison. Jagr came along with production, physical assets, and intangibles, none of which Filppula brought to the table. Filppula may have fetched a 3rd-round draft pick.

 

 

 

 

 

 

jagr is also 41 years old  and if my memory serves me right there wasnt much available at the deadline so im sure if fil was made available someone would of jumped at him  and  in the last post you said filppula could have fetched a 2nd NOW  its a 3rd??? anyways like i said lets just agree to disagree  its clear we will never agree with what filppula could of gotten us at the deadline


Edited by nyqvististhefuture, 26 June 2013 - 09:53 AM.


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Posted 26 June 2013 - 10:50 AM

jagr is also 41 years old  and if my memory serves me right there wasnt much available at the deadline so im sure if fil was made available someone would of jumped at him  and  in the last post you said filppula could have fetched a 2nd NOW  its a 3rd??? anyways like i said lets just agree to disagree  its clear we will never agree with what filppula could of gotten us at the deadline

 

Being a rental, Jagr's age was unimportant, just as Filppula's would have been. And 41-year-old Jagr was both more valuable and more productive than 29-year-old Filppula.

 

You're correct that I revised my statement down to a 3rd. Filppula was having a horrific, invisible season despite playing alongside Zetterberg and Datsyuk for its entirety and receiving ample time on the power play. 



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Posted 26 June 2013 - 06:03 PM

despite playing alongside Zetterberg and Datsyuk for its entirety and receiving ample time on the power play.


This isn't true. Zetterberg and Datsyuk started the season together and were only split up when it was obvious the second line was struggling. Otherwise he played with Franzen and a bottom 6er. He got power play time, yeah, but all other top 6 forwards (Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Brunner) played on the top unit and Filppula played with Griffins on the second pp unit. Filppula still had a poor season, but I'm just stating the facts.

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 08:17 PM

This isn't true. Zetterberg and Datsyuk started the season together and were only split up when it was obvious the second line was struggling. Otherwise he played with Franzen and a bottom 6er. He got power play time, yeah, but all other top 6 forwards (Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Brunner) played on the top unit and Filppula played with Griffins on the second pp unit. Filppula still had a poor season, but I'm just stating the facts.

 

Yep, I should have said most of the season.


Edited by Crymson, 26 June 2013 - 08:18 PM.


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Posted 26 June 2013 - 08:22 PM

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 11:13 PM

Jagr had 24 points in 36 games when the trade deadline rolled around. He is a big body, a future Hall-of-Famer, and a proven winner. Filppula was in the midst of one of the worst seasons of his career. More, he is none of the above, nor is he a "great" two-way player; he is, rather, merely a fairly good one.

In other words, there's no comparison. Jagr came along with production, physical assets, and intangibles, none of which Filppula brought to the table. Filppula may have fetched a 3rd-round draft pick.


Being a rental, Jagr's age was unimportant, just as Filppula's would have been. And 41-year-old Jagr was both more valuable and more productive than 29-year-old Filppula.


Jagr showed his age. He is now completely without the explosiveness he once possessed. Not scoring a single goal in 22 games despite playing on the 2nd line and on the PP for the fourth highest-scoring team in the playoffs really does not reflect well upon him. It matters not at all that he hit numerous posts during the playoffs; shots that posts are rightfully not even counted as shots, as there could be an empty net and they still would not go in.

Jagr is past his prime, and he'd serve as nothing here but a one-year plug. Not good.

 

Are there two different Jagr's in the NHL?  Because depending on the thread it sounds like you're describing two completely different players.



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Posted 26 June 2013 - 11:21 PM

Val is a every day third liner and an occasional 2nd liner.  Not worth what is being reportedly seeking.



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Posted 26 June 2013 - 11:29 PM

Are there two different Jagr's in the NHL?  Because depending on the thread it sounds like you're describing two completely different players.

 

One segment refers to his value at the trade deadline, and the other to how well he actually performed in the playoffs. It's pretty basic.


Edited by Crymson, 26 June 2013 - 11:33 PM.


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Posted 28 June 2013 - 08:45 AM

 

Will every Finnish player be linked to Columbus Blue Jackets GM Jarmo Kekalainen? The latest has unrestricted free agent-to-be Valtteri Filppula as a strong candidate for Columbus

 

Via Elliotte Friedman.







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