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#101 thebadguy007

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 10:11 AM

Why This is such a joke with Him Like he is some elite player Have you seen him play he is like the slowest play on the ice He must have some stuff on Kenny and Babcock

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 10:21 AM

If Cleary hits the juice like Chelios did, im all for him coming back so long as it means they have to ditch Samuelsson.

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 10:33 AM

Why This is such a joke with Him Like he is some elite player Have you seen him play he is like the slowest play on the ice He must have some stuff on Kenny and Babcock


I don't know many elite players signing for ~2.5 million, so that doesn't appear to be the Red Wings impression of Cleary either. Holland and Babcock both like Cleary because he works hard and is a leader in the room. Despite his physical limitations, he still brings value to the Red Wings.

I would rather have Brunner back like everyone else, but it appears Cleary has taken over the role of scapegoat for anything wrong. Pretty strange for a player where effort is never a question and he just had a very strong playoff run.
 
 
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Posted 07 July 2013 - 11:08 AM

I don't know many elite players signing for ~2.5 million, so that doesn't appear to be the Red Wings impression of Cleary either. Holland and Babcock both like Cleary because he works hard and is a leader in the room. Despite his physical limitations, he still brings value to the Red Wings.

I would rather have Brunner back like everyone else, but it appears Cleary has taken over the role of scapegoat for anything wrong. Pretty strange for a player where effort is never a question and he just had a very strong playoff run.


No, it appears that Wings fans are again frustrated that the organization is investing 3 years into a player who has bad knees, other injuries, is so slow that he's 10 ft. behind the play, is way overrated defensively, puts up very few points for the amount of top 6 ice time he has and is getting a spot when we already have an overabundance of forwards. Yes, he had a good playoff, but Franzen, Sammy and Flip have had good playoffs too.

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 11:10 AM

No, it appears that Wings fans are again frustrated that the organization is investing 3 years into a player who has bad knees, other injuries, is so slow that he's 10 ft. behind the play, is way overrated defensively, puts up very few points for the amount of top 6 ice time he has and is getting a spot when we already have an overabundance of forwards. Yes, he had a good playoff, but Franzen, Sammy and Flip have had good playoffs too.


We dont have room for him, do we?

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 11:22 AM

Just say no to Cleary....not for 3 years, not for 2, not for 1 and not ever!  It's time to move on...


Usually I disagree with your consistent level of pessimisum but I'm with you on this...

If Cleary wouldn't have had a good we would have been wondering whether or not hee should retire. This is Osgood 2.0. The guy is done. And even if he wasn't Tatar has won a job and will only be hampered, developmentally and psychologically, by being held back.

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 11:43 AM

The Cleary Sweepstakes continues...stay tuned...



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Posted 07 July 2013 - 12:09 PM

If everyone is healthy, do the lines. Z-Dat-Abby on the 1st, Franzen-Weiss-Alfie on the 2nd, Bert-helm-Sammy on the 3rd, Miller/Cleary-Emmerton/Andersson-Tootoo/Eaves on the 3rd. Haven't even mentioned Tatar and Nyquist yet.

Now we can move some guys around. bert plays well with datsyuk, but on the other hand datsyuk likes having Abby on his line. babcock loves Miller so he is in. TooToo is the only "tough guy" on the team. The only line that Nyquist and tatar could play on if everyone is healthy would be the 4th. They are not checkers. This is a group with severe issues and limitations.



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Posted 07 July 2013 - 12:17 PM

If everyone is healthy, do the lines. Z-Dat-Abby on the 1st, Franzen-Weiss-Alfie on the 2nd, Bert-helm-Sammy on the 3rd, Miller/Cleary-Emmerton/Andersson-Tootoo/Eaves on the 3rd. Haven't even mentioned Tatar and Nyquist yet.
Now we can move some guys around. bert plays well with datsyuk, but on the other hand datsyuk likes having Abby on his line. babcock loves Miller so he is in. TooToo is the only "tough guy" on the team. The only line that Nyquist and tatar could play on if everyone is healthy would be the 4th. They are not checkers. This is a group with severe issues and limitations.


I have a very good feeling the 3rd line will be
Nyq-helm- tatar

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 12:35 PM

Having Cleary on the team would leave no room for Taro Tsujimoto. UGH!



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Posted 07 July 2013 - 12:36 PM

Having Cleary on the team would leave no room for Taro Tsujimoto. UGH!


Ha!

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 12:37 PM

Which pretty much makes me wanna jizz myself!


Ya it will be the best 3rd line in hockey. Having a 3rd like that will take some pressure off the top 6 and allow us to come in waves and start wearing down teams.

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 01:05 PM

Can't believe we are even talking about this guy

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 01:19 PM

Ya it will be the best 3rd line in hockey. Having a 3rd like that will take some pressure off the top 6 and allow us to come in waves and start wearing down teams.


Agreed. Freshness is key. Speed kills.

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 01:44 PM

Why This is such a joke with Him Like he is some elite player Have you seen him play he is like the slowest play on the ice He must have some stuff on Kenny and Babcock

I would have thought the current signings indicted that useless piece of s*** would annoy another fan base 


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 06:56 PM

The guys on Hockey Sunday on SiriusXM disagree with the negative assessment of Cleary. They're pretty big on him as a second level UFA signing. 


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 07:31 PM

He wasn't helping the team get INTO the playoffs at all, which they almost missed, if you forgot about that? He did turn it on in the playoffs, but up until then? That was painful to watch... He was seriously dragging the team down at points in the season

 

 

Ahh so it's all Cleary's fault the Wings almost missed the playoffs? Had nothing to do with losing two top 4 dmen, injuries, and a young defense who needed time to gel? Guess I'm an idiot then.  :rolleyes:



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Posted 07 July 2013 - 07:35 PM

The guys on Hockey Sunday on SiriusXM disagree with the negative assessment of Cleary. They're pretty big on him as a second level UFA signing. 

 

Yeah but he's not playing on their team.



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Posted 07 July 2013 - 07:40 PM

Your Newfie status is blinding you from reality.

 

I'd actually have to BE a newfie for that to happen. The reality is, is that a team with a bunch of small, skilled players isn't gonna get you far. Do you need skill guys? Yes! But you need guys like Cleary to. Certainly glad Holland doesn't live in your reality or we would be icing a smurf roster like the Habs each and every year. 

 

With Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Alfie, Franzen, Weiss, and Abby (you can't not play him with Dats at this point. His suspension proved his value) why is everyone so sure Cleary would be in the top 6? He is a role player. With the forwards the Wings have now, his role is grind, PK, and give the bottom 6 some secondary scoring. Sure he may get some 2nd unit PP time to get in the goalies face. 

 

It isn't gys like Tatar or Nyquist who will lose roster spots with a Cleary signing. It is guys like Sammy, Tootoo and Eaves. Guys like Bert will have to fight for a spot. There will be injuries all season. Everyone will get their chance to play. Dunno if everyone has forgotten, but that is the exact reason why the Wings have made the run they did this year! Maybe people should see how the roster actually shapes up by the end of the summer before getting all bent out of shape now. Ever think that just MAYBE a trade or two will still happen? 



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Posted 07 July 2013 - 08:15 PM

I'd actually have to BE a newfie for that to happen. The reality is, is that a team with a bunch of small, skilled players isn't gonna get you far. Do you need skill guys? Yes! But you need guys like Cleary to. Certainly glad Holland doesn't live in your reality or we would be icing a smurf roster like the Habs each and every year. 
 
With Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Alfie, Franzen, Weiss, and Abby (you can't not play him with Dats at this point. His suspension proved his value) why is everyone so sure Cleary would be in the top 6? He is a role player. With the forwards the Wings have now, his role is grind, PK, and give the bottom 6 some secondary scoring. Sure he may get some 2nd unit PP time to get in the goalies face. 
 
It isn't gys like Tatar or Nyquist who will lose roster spots with a Cleary signing. It is guys like Sammy, Tootoo and Eaves. Guys like Bert will have to fight for a spot. There will be injuries all season. Everyone will get their chance to play. Dunno if everyone has forgotten, but that is the exact reason why the Wings have made the run they did this year! Maybe people should see how the roster actually shapes up by the end of the summer before getting all bent out of shape now. Ever think that just MAYBE a trade or two will still happen?


You list yourself as being from Newfoundland. So it would lead one to believe that is where you are from.

We need players like Cleary used to be. In his prime, he had a role and played it to perfection. Age and injuries have taken a serious toll on his ability to fill the role we need him to. He absolutely has no place as a top 6 player. Abedelkader has replaced him in that capacity. Andersson, Helm, Tatar and Nyquist are better and cheaper than Cleary and provide more speed,scoring ability and better defensive skills. Eaves and Miller are excellent penalty killers and also have more skill and speed and are cheaper. Cleary could not put up points playing with Z or Dats, how will he contribute to secondary scoring? Cleary is not big, not tough, does not play well defensively and does not block the net on the PP. There isn't much he does do well at this point in his career.

If the Wings had a shortage on forwards I could see signing him to a one year deal for 2 million or less. But 3 years? I can't imagine how broken down his body will be by then. It will be another Samuelsson case being stuck with a totally unproductive player that the Wings won't be able to rid themselves of.

The Wings are also not lacking character or leadership or hard working players in any way. If they were loaded with rookies, keeping him would make sense. But they have an abundance of older guys who have won cups, are good leaders and good "in the room".

Edited by Playmaker, 07 July 2013 - 08:18 PM.






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