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#21 evilmrt

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Posted 10 January 2014 - 04:53 PM

This sounds pretty serious. I'm not sure he should be coming back so soon, unless he's playing up the symptoms? Its hard to tell with this guy, he doesn't deal with the press interviews very well.



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Posted 10 January 2014 - 05:52 PM

our team with him > our team without him



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Posted 10 January 2014 - 09:02 PM

A lot of folks have been giving Franzen a hard time over his concussion and I would like to provide my own experience in the hope people can understand that a seemingly innocent 'love tap' can cause a TBI (traumatic brain injury). 

 

With all the strides being made on TV about concussions, with so many men who have now committed suicide because they could no longer live in such pain, it hurts me that the Wings community is so callous and shallow in their responses to such a very serious injury. 

 

A brain injury is THE MOST SERIOUS injury a player can sustain, and we as the Wings community should be pulling together to give our fallen warriors their support when this happens.  And not belittle them and accuse them of malingering or lying.

 

I sustained my first concussion 2 years ago and I've never had any head, neck, back or head injuries in my life (I'm 37, fit, former Marine).  I didn't get hit in the head, I fell down, hard.  So hard in fact that it caused my head to snap back and I got a concussion.  A bad one, it took 6 months before the headaches stopped.  18 months before I didn't have symptoms, but 2 years on I still have some problems.  After 6 months I went to see the specialist Crosby saw in Los Angeles when he wasn't getting better because I wasn't getting better, I had all the classic symptoms and they would just not go away.  The truth is, doctors can't do anything for a concussion, there is no test, there is no drug, there is really no treatment.  When you injure your brain it's a traumatic brain injury and everyone heals different and the only medication is time.

 

When Franzen says he has a problem processing information I feel for the guy.  I know what that's like, to barely be able to drive yourself to the doctor, to not be able to watch TV, or even wash dishes because there is too much going on and after a few minutes you have to sit down and collect yourself because you're so exhausted.  Or having to take two breaks while walking to get the mail.  Or it takes 5 minutes to type a sentance while writing an email.  This is so frustrating, there is NOTHING you can do but let it run its course.  On the outside one can look strong, fit, and healthy like a mule, but on the inside, the brain is going completely haywire beyond your control.  The way Franzen got popped is how many concussions occur, and since this is not his first concussion he is risking serious injury to his long term brain health.  (Think Junior Seau)

 

I hope more people will have an open mind when we're talking about a TBI, and do more to help those in need, with understanding and giving people space and time to recover.  But to mock the injury in any way, is cruel and you would not want to go through the same pain of any player having to live with the recovery of this injury.  I am embarrassed by some of these responses I'm reading here, on line and in the news sections, as a Wings fan, as a man, and as a human being.

 

Thanks for reading.

 

 

I am SO sorry that this happened to you and that you've had to go through what you've gone through and that, truthfully, you will have to continue to go through it as well.

 

I am 22-years-old; I've had two diagnosed concussions, including one from a significant rollover accident (6 times, 4 different ways).  I know what it's like to lose concentration in the middle of a sentence, to catch yourself saying gibberish praying that nobody heard that you can't even put together a complete sentence ocassionally. 

 

It's embarrassing.  It's painful.  And, worst of all (like you said), there's not a damn thing that anyone can do for you.

 

You have my empathy and I hope things get better.  After all, it IS possible to see your symptoms fade or become more sporadic.  Especially after your service to all of us, that's the least you deserve.

 

 

Take care.



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Posted 10 January 2014 - 09:20 PM

Get better soon Mule. You were actually playing like you cared for a while.



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Posted 10 January 2014 - 09:49 PM

A lot of folks have been giving Franzen a hard time over his concussion and I would like to provide my own experience in the hope people can understand that a seemingly innocent 'love tap' can cause a TBI (traumatic brain injury). 
 
With all the strides being made on TV about concussions, with so many men who have now committed suicide because they could no longer live in such pain, it hurts me that the Wings community is so callous and shallow in their responses to such a very serious injury. 
 
A brain injury is THE MOST SERIOUS injury a player can sustain, and we as the Wings community should be pulling together to give our fallen warriors their support when this happens.  And not belittle them and accuse them of malingering or lying.
 
I sustained my first concussion 2 years ago and I've never had any head, neck, back or head injuries in my life (I'm 37, fit, former Marine).  I didn't get hit in the head, I fell down, hard.  So hard in fact that it caused my head to snap back and I got a concussion.  A bad one, it took 6 months before the headaches stopped.  18 months before I didn't have symptoms, but 2 years on I still have some problems.  After 6 months I went to see the specialist Crosby saw in Los Angeles when he wasn't getting better because I wasn't getting better, I had all the classic symptoms and they would just not go away.  The truth is, doctors can't do anything for a concussion, there is no test, there is no drug, there is really no treatment.  When you injure your brain it's a traumatic brain injury and everyone heals different and the only medication is time.
 
When Franzen says he has a problem processing information I feel for the guy.  I know what that's like, to barely be able to drive yourself to the doctor, to not be able to watch TV, or even wash dishes because there is too much going on and after a few minutes you have to sit down and collect yourself because you're so exhausted.  Or having to take two breaks while walking to get the mail.  Or it takes 5 minutes to type a sentance while writing an email.  This is so frustrating, there is NOTHING you can do but let it run its course.  On the outside one can look strong, fit, and healthy like a mule, but on the inside, the brain is going completely haywire beyond your control.  The way Franzen got popped is how many concussions occur, and since this is not his first concussion he is risking serious injury to his long term brain health.  (Think Junior Seau)
 
I hope more people will have an open mind when we're talking about a TBI, and do more to help those in need, with understanding and giving people space and time to recover.  But to mock the injury in any way, is cruel and you would not want to go through the same pain of any player having to live with the recovery of this injury.  I am embarrassed by some of these responses I'm reading here, on line and in the news sections, as a Wings fan, as a man, and as a human being.
 
Thanks for reading.

First of all, Thank you for you service, and second.
I took a high stick when i was sixteen when i was at the um commits conditioning camp over the summer.
Broke my jaw, had a concussion, plus a pinched nerve from a compressed vertebrae in my neck.

I didnt recognize my gf right after, and if forget how I got in my car and to school for almost two months after.
It sucks.
I hope franzen, as well as you, recover fully.
Because it sucks.
Thanks for your post.

And edit.
Did they pip you through the thing where they spin you around like the effin tilt a whirl?
Cuz supposedly regaining and relearning your inner ear function helps.

Edited by jimmyemeryhunter, 10 January 2014 - 09:51 PM.


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Posted 10 January 2014 - 10:58 PM

I too know all to well about concussions I have had headaches long after and being a goalie its really hard to get back into gameshape with that lingering pain its not good and if that keeps him out the rest of the season can you really call him out and say he is lying? not cool

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Posted 10 January 2014 - 11:14 PM

I read this topic when it first was posted and got a little bit angry after reading some of the reactions to this news.

 

I've never had a concussion (that I knew of) but can relate in my own way.

 

At 27, I had a major stroke.  Possibly sports related, possibly not?!

 

I have a symptom called Aphasia that SUUUUUUUUCKS!  It's like a logjam in my brain and the only way to fix it is to take a step back and relax.  If Franzen has something similar, I can sympathize and only dream that his ailments go away.  

 

Don't know why I just shared this, but personally I feel a bit better that I have.

 

That's all, carry on   :cheesy:


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 08:19 AM

Some of the posters around here are so clueless sometimes, Crosby missed a year and a half with a concussion, pronger was forced into retirement because of one, and many others as well. A concussion can easily cause confusion and not allow you to process information very well

 

The difference is that Crosby was completely nailed when he suffered that concussion. Franzen was barely touched.  He even said so in the article saying it wasnt much of a hit. If something that slight of a hit can give him such nasty concussion effects the guy should be nowhere near a contact sport like hockey. Im the last to downplay a players head injury. From youth to college ball I had 5 documented concussions and 2-3 I never told anyone about since I didnt want to stop playing. I no longer play a couple recreational sports because of it. My concern is these "concussion symptoms" comes at the perfect time for Franzen. The time of the year where hes said he is bored playing and finds it hard to find motivation.



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Posted 11 January 2014 - 09:20 AM

He sure didn't look bored the previous 15-20 games when he was absolutely on fire (and I'm a fully paid up member of the Franzen is lazy and he sucks club).  He didn't look bored either when he was shouting at the ref from the bench and got the 2 minute minor, before he got taken down the tunnel.


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 02:35 PM

Yeah let's ignore how great he played the 20 games before his injury.

Yeah I ragged on Franzen pretty hard for the first batch of games this year, but he was phenomenal before he went down again.  He was 2008 playoffs Franzen for the 20 game stretch you're referring to, which helped us win a decent chunk during that time.  No matter how hard Mule tries playing right now, you can't be as effective on the ice if something like vertigo flares up and it always sits in the back of your head.  I had a concussion a few years back and when I came back to play a couple weeks later, I pushed it pretty hard and almost blacked out and was effectively hungover for the next 2 days.  I had to miss the  CF Regional Hockey Championship cause of the same thing Franzen is dealing with.  It's not fun and I really feel for the guy.


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 06:54 PM

I do NOT think Franzen is faking it, but just to bring up a little point "devils advocate" style in response to the comment above...

 

Lets not forget that we were/are almost all (myself included) universally convinced that Sammy and his agent were lying about his boobie still being hurt so he could avoid a buyout and collect the extra million dollars on his contract.

 

For a player to lie/fake/exaggerate injuries is not unheard of.

 

Just to once again point out, I am not saying this is the case here with Franzen.

 

EDIT: the person I was responding to deleted their comment, if you were wondering what I was talking about, lol.


Edited by sleepwalker, 11 January 2014 - 07:01 PM.


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 06:55 PM

 

The difference is that Crosby was completely nailed when he suffered that concussion. Franzen was barely touched.  He even said so in the article saying it wasnt much of a hit. If something that slight of a hit can give him such nasty concussion effects the guy should be nowhere near a contact sport like hockey. Im the last to downplay a players head injury. From youth to college ball I had 5 documented concussions and 2-3 I never told anyone about since I didnt want to stop playing. I no longer play a couple recreational sports because of it. My concern is these "concussion symptoms" comes at the perfect time for Franzen. The time of the year where hes said he is bored playing and finds it hard to find motivation.

 

The hit that actually took Crosby out of the lineup was from Hedman and didn't look like much of anything.  The headshot by Steckal during the Winter Classic very likely played a big role, but Crosby either didn't have symptoms after it or they were mild enough he could continue playing.  After what looked like a relatively harmless hit into the boards from Hedman, Crosby didn't play for almost a year.

 

Point being concussions are cumulative and if you've had 5 documented concussions then you know how random and mysterious the symptoms can be.  I harp on Franzen all the time for taking shifts off, but I find it extremely hard to believe the guy would play up concussion symptoms to take a mini-vacation midseason.  Especially headed towards the Olympics.



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Posted 11 January 2014 - 07:54 PM

What I think people aren't getting is that "dazed and confused" and apathetic demeanor are classic post concussion symptoms.  Having had 2 concussions, all I can say is it sucks, it's frustrating and the recovery is long with plenty of one step forward, two steps back.  What makes it worse is the perception that you're being lazy and the eye rolls and the looks of disbelief from people who can't believe you're still not "over it".   



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Posted 12 January 2014 - 06:56 PM

Point being concussions are cumulative and if you've had 5 documented concussions then you know how random and mysterious the symptoms can be.  I harp on Franzen all the time for taking shifts off, but I find it extremely hard to believe the guy would play up concussion symptoms to take a mini-vacation midseason.  Especially headed towards the Olympics.

 

PCS and other brain diseases are from the cumulative damage. The actual concussion itself is from a single trauma which causes the brain to strike the inner walls of your skull causing bruising. 10000 tiny hits dont accumulate into a concussion. It can lead to other issue but not a concussion. You need that one heavy trauma. 



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Posted 12 January 2014 - 07:41 PM

I think the cumulative aspect that might be considered is that if you have an undiagnosed concussion and get another hit while that is happening the symptoms and effects can get worse. theoretically it should be a single trauma, but with athletes you know that might not always be the case.

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 08:29 PM

 

PCS and other brain diseases are from the cumulative damage. The actual concussion itself is from a single trauma which causes the brain to strike the inner walls of your skull causing bruising. 10000 tiny hits dont accumulate into a concussion. It can lead to other issue but not a concussion. You need that one heavy trauma. 

 

That's not completely accurate. 

 

Regardless, it doesn't give any more credence to your theory that Franzen is faking symptoms to take a vacation.



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Posted 12 January 2014 - 08:53 PM

I really do not think he is faking it.  This explains a lot of things if he is still having issues from the 2008 concussion.  I don't like him too much, but hate to see this happen to him.  I cannot imagine having issues like this affecting everyday life, but it does happen and it does seem that this could be the problem.  The hit itself recently didn't look that bad, but it definitely triggered something that caused him to not want to take any chances on the ice until he knows if he is healthy or not.  Unfortunately if a 2008 injury is still hanging on, it may spell the end of his career.  Health is far more important than the game.  I am not sure of the CBA rules, but he should probably retire if it won't cost the Wings too much.  If he cannot retire, the Wings may as well use the last buyout on him and let him get healthy enough to have a functional life.  If he tries to come back, one big hit and he could be scrambled eggs...

 

I know I have been very hard on him and wanted him off this team, but not this way, if he is forced to retire I will be very sad to see him leave the game.  I am not one to wish career ending injuries on anyone...Get well enough Franzen to have a healthy life, you don't owe us anything. God Bless!


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Posted 13 January 2014 - 05:25 PM

I really do not think he is faking it.  This explains a lot of things if he is still having issues from the 2008 concussion.  I don't like him too much, but hate to see this happen to him.  I cannot imagine having issues like this affecting everyday life, but it does happen and it does seem that this could be the problem.  The hit itself recently didn't look that bad, but it definitely triggered something that caused him to not want to take any chances on the ice until he knows if he is healthy or not.  Unfortunately if a 2008 injury is still hanging on, it may spell the end of his career.  Health is far more important than the game.  I am not sure of the CBA rules, but he should probably retire if it won't cost the Wings too much.  If he cannot retire, the Wings may as well use the last buyout on him and let him get healthy enough to have a functional life.  If he tries to come back, one big hit and he could be scrambled eggs...
 
I know I have been very hard on him and wanted him off this team, but not this way, if he is forced to retire I will be very sad to see him leave the game.  I am not one to wish career ending injuries on anyone...Get well enough Franzen to have a healthy life, you don't owe us anything. God Bless!


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Posted 14 January 2014 - 11:48 AM

Per khan:

Franzen,Datsyuk,Helm skating today.

Franzen participating in hitting/net front battles, seems to be ready.

Datsyuk,Franzen participating in line rushes, Helm is not.

Howard (hip) and Gus(groin) sharing a net, Mrazek has his own.

Alfie not skating (back spasms), nor is Zetterberg but Holland says Z will play Thursday.

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 01:21 PM

Z's point production has tailed off the last few games...I fear his back is flaring up again and he is playing through the pain whilst we're short-handed....


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