Dabura 12,198 Report post Posted June 1, 2014 The talent just isn't there in this draft. See, I'm not sure I really buy that. Any player could turn into a steal - especially for an organization like ours which specializes in drafting and developing. What I'm hearing/reading is that the uncertainty surrounding the consensus rankings means some very good players might go later than one would probably expect. So there's also that going for us, maybe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,198 Report post Posted June 1, 2014 If Ritchie isn't available I want Rich, Perlini or someone from the 210 lbs + category. Do you think Draiseitl will drop a few spots because of his average skating? If so Wings should take a chance at him I can't see Draisaitl going any later than eight, and even eight's really pushing it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PumpkinEscobar 136 Report post Posted June 2, 2014 Sam Bennett couldn't do 1 pull up at the combine...that's sad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nawein 324 Report post Posted June 2, 2014 Sam Bennett couldn't do 1 pull up at the combine...that's sad Neither could Gary Roberts. Upper body strength isn't super important anyways, it's all about the legs and core. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richdg 267 Report post Posted June 2, 2014 pull ups for hockey players? serves almost no bearing on the game whatsoever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PumpkinEscobar 136 Report post Posted June 2, 2014 It's part of upper body strength and it matters plenty in hockey... Neither could Gary Roberts. Upper body strength isn't super important anyways, it's all about the legs and core. it's very important Especially when he leaves juniors Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richdg 267 Report post Posted June 2, 2014 upper body yes, but not that exercise. When do hockey players ever have to use those motions? never. Pull ups are hard to do unless you do that specific exercise. back when I was in the army I could knock out 55-60 pushups every PT test. But 2-3 pull ups is the best I ever could do. Now as time has moved on..........nevermind.......lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,198 Report post Posted June 3, 2014 More and more I'm thinking we should trade for Florida's pick and take Ekblad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulwoodsfan 52 Report post Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) I've read that they only started doing pull-ups, instead of push-ups, this year so I doubt Gary Roberts was ever asked to do one at his combine. I don't know what shape Roberts was in coming out of junior, but he is now a workout monster, and many of the top players in the NHL and junior pay him big money to work them into top condition. Edited June 3, 2014 by paulwoodsfan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anthonyn66 89 Report post Posted June 3, 2014 Sam Bennett's hockey smarts make him the player that he is not his strength Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,469 Report post Posted June 3, 2014 Sam Bennett's hockey smarts make him the player that he is not his strength What? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mckinley25 677 Report post Posted June 3, 2014 What? It's amazing how dependant I am on punctuation. I read that three times before I figured out where to pause. 1 Euro_Twins reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MasterPavel 115 Report post Posted June 4, 2014 Pull ups are a great test for overall body strength (core, back, shoulders, and arms). Hence why they are a staple in cross fit, sports development programs, and the Marine Corps. And you wonder why us jarheads ripped on you guys so much . I think Bennett will be fine with a good training program, and the proper diet. He can play hockey which is the most important factor, and as long as the drive is there he can develop enough strength over time to hold his own. upper body yes, but not that exercise. When do hockey players ever have to use those motions? never. Pull ups are hard to do unless you do that specific exercise. back when I was in the army I could knock out 55-60 pushups every PT test. But 2-3 pull ups is the best I ever could do. Now as time has moved on..........nevermind.......lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted June 4, 2014 A pro athlete should be able to manage a pull up regardless of the sport (unless u curl). I'm by no means anything close to athletic and I could hammer out more than a few as early as junior high, and even though I'm now old and out of shape I can still do at least a few. I don't think he's a bust bc he can't do one, but it is rather sad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted June 4, 2014 A pro athlete should be able to manage a pull up regardless of the sport (unless u curl). I'm by no means anything close to athletic and I could hammer out more than a few as early as junior high, and even though I'm now old and out of shape I can still do at least a few. I don't think he's a bust bc he can't do one, but it is rather sad. I might be mistaken but I think they did pull ups at the end of a long combine of tests. Its possible that he may have just been spent by that point. I'd bet he can do a pull-up when fresh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
decorideas 0 Report post Posted June 4, 2014 I like what little I have seen of Tuch as well. He plays Center & RW and although his skating is described as "ungainly", he is really strong on the puck. The kid uses his size and strength very effectively to hang onto the puck and he apparently has a cannon of a slap shot plus a powerful wrister. I value skill and finesse (preference of Wings for 20 yrs) but we need big, strong aggressive forwards and D-men to compete with the elite teams. Mantha and Tuch (LH and RH) with a solid Center would be a potentially great line with a couple of years experience. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richdg 267 Report post Posted June 4, 2014 Bennett isn't a pro athlete yet. he is an 18 year old kid that will get drafted. he hasn't had a professional S & C program to build himself up. We seem to forget, these are HS kids. dec, we used to have big strong players to go with our skill. 97,98, and 02 were lead by guys like Mccarty, Shanahan, lapointe, Kocur, Vladdy, Chelios, fetisov, ward, Pushor, etc.... to go along with the smaller skill guys like yzerman, fedorov, kozlov, larionov, and Hull. There is a fine balance that every team has to find. Philly has always been to far to the size side of things while we have gone to far on the small skill side of things. Teams like Chicago, LAK and Boston have both. No the Bhawks don't fight, but most of their stars have good size. Toews is 6-2/205 which is the same size as our "big bodies": Abby, Sheahan, Jurco, Andersson etc..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richdg 267 Report post Posted June 20, 2014 A week to go. Do we keep the pick? If so, yes Tuch, Kempe, Larkin, and a couple others makes great sense in the first. If we trade it, trade all the picks! LOL Then we can move onto the 2015 draft which is a much better draft with far more to talk about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MasterPavel 115 Report post Posted June 21, 2014 I love Tuch's size and shot. However I am split between him or McCann as who I would choose. I like Kempe and Larkin just not as much as others. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted June 21, 2014 I still would be extremely happy with Ritchie if there is a slight chance that hey may be available at 15 keep the pick. Guy already has great size Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted June 21, 2014 From the guys I think will be in our range I would be happy with quite a few players: Perlini, Fabbri, Barbashev, McCann, Virtanen, Scherbak Schmaltz, Bleackley I honestly don't have a favourite pick for this year - its so hard to tell who will be left at 15. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
martinezsvsu 240 Report post Posted June 21, 2014 hopefully a bunch of dudes the wings like are still available at 15 so we could trade down like we did last year. or we could just draft tuch and call it good. im fine either way Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MasterPavel 115 Report post Posted June 26, 2014 hopefully a bunch of dudes the wings like are still available at 15 so we could trade down like we did last year. or we could just draft tuch and call it good. im fine either way If McCann or Tuch are not available then trading down, and picking up Vrana would be ideal. Hopefully we get someones 1st this year and 2nd next year. We need to stock up on picks for next years draft to either trade up, or replenish the depth that will be in the NHL soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RyanBarnes! 293 Report post Posted June 26, 2014 I'd prefer to see Holland trade up this year. Ekblad is out of reach but then trade up to grab one of the skilled, physical forwards. Red Wings have depth and plenty of skill but no size whatsoever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted June 27, 2014 I'd prefer to see Holland trade up this year. Ekblad is out of reach but then trade up to grab one of the skilled, physical forwards. Red Wings have depth and plenty of skill but no size whatsoever. Offer them our first Nyquist and Jurco Ekblads potential is sky high him at Dekeyser at the blueline would be an unbelievable pairing for more than a decade Share this post Link to post Share on other sites