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#1 Richdg

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 12:25 PM

Long topic I know. But have to start somewhere. If I was to take an uneducated guess on next years team I would start like this:

 

14/15 RW:

F: Datsyuk, Z, Weiss, tatar, Nyquist, Abby, Helm, Sheahan, Jurco, Andersson, TooToo, Miller, Glendenning, and Callahan. That is 14 guys that are signed or we control for next season.

D: Kronwall, Ericsson, Dekeyser, Smith, lashoff, Kindal, and a cheap vet for the 6/7 Dman. Again 7 players.

G: Howard and McCollum.

 

That pretty much fills the roster up and depletes GR. Of those 23 guys only 22 is a UFA IIRC.

 

Main prospects in GR for the 14/15 season:

F: Mantha, Jarnkrok, Nastasiuk, Frk and Pulkkinen.

D: Oullett, Sproul, marchenko, Jensen, Backman, and nedomlel.

G: Mrazek

 

Most if not all of those guys really need another year if not 2 in the minors.

 

15/16 RW:

F: 22 is out and Mantha is in. Only real change to the forward group.

D: let the 6/7 vet UFA we signed walk and replace with the most ready of the young Dmen. Prefer it be a RHed shot.

G: No changes yet.

 

propsects in GR:

Mantha moves up and guys like McKee, McNulty, Wheaton, Pope, and maybe a 2014 1st move in. also, thanks to the new CBA we will be losing prospects to waivers faster than before.

 

More years to come.......



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Posted 21 January 2014 - 12:27 PM

Kicking the tires to build from within i see?

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 12:29 PM

The only pipeline I can think about right now is the one connected to the drain our season's going down.


Edited by rick zombo, 21 January 2014 - 12:30 PM.

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#4 DickieDunn

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 12:34 PM

I'd be shocked if Tootoo is in the organization next year.  If they can't trade him before the buyout window, he'll be bought out.  I also think that they want to keep Jurco in GR next year so they have a guy they can call up when he's needed.  I also wouldn't be surprised if Kindl is traded as part of a package to get a bigger scoring line winger, possibly even sending out Nyquist or Tatar as well, assuming they can get one.


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 21 January 2014 - 12:40 PM

Jordin "Nine Lives" Tootoo. If Bertuzzi can do it...

Twopeat in GR!


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#6 Richdg

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 01:19 PM

Before we all come up with our opinions of trades, signing, etc..... please stop. Those are all opinions, I am trying to stay focused on what we actually know. We know what players are signed and under control. if others are added or subtracted later-which will happen in some form, we don't know that today. I for example am hoping they finally buyout franzen. With mounting health issues, that may come to pass. But again we don't know that today.

For example. Almquist either is on the team next year or he is gone. He will never pass through waivers. I expect a move involving him. But I can't say what that move is, thus he isn't listed. I would expect Holland to be smart enough to not just let him be taken in waivers.



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Posted 21 January 2014 - 01:33 PM

I'd be shocked if Tootoo is in the organization next year.  If they can't trade him before the buyout window, he'll be bought out.  I also think that they want to keep Jurco in GR next year so they have a guy they can call up when he's needed.  I also wouldn't be surprised if Kindl is traded as part of a package to get a bigger scoring line winger, possibly even sending out Nyquist or Tatar as well, assuming they can get one.

 

Which would be S-T-U-P-I-D.


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#8 DickieDunn

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 01:41 PM

 

Which would be S-T-U-P-I-D.

 

You think that Kindl and Nyquist for a guy like Benn, Simmonds, van Riensdyk, etc. would be stupid?


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 21 January 2014 - 01:46 PM

 
You think that Kindl and Nyquist for a guy like Benn, Simmonds, van Riensdyk, etc. would be stupid?


The thought of JVR in a winged wheel gets me all excited down below. I love that kid.

#10 rick zombo

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 02:01 PM

Before we all come up with our opinions of trades, signing, etc..... please stop. Those are all opinions, I am trying to stay focused on what we actually know. We know what players are signed and under control. if others are added or subtracted later-which will happen in some form, we don't know that today. I for example am hoping they finally buyout franzen. With mounting health issues, that may come to pass. But again we don't know that today.

For example. Almquist either is on the team next year or he is gone. He will never pass through waivers. I expect a move involving him. But I can't say what that move is, thus he isn't listed. I would expect Holland to be smart enough to not just let him be taken in waivers.

 

Yes sir!!

 

Not that I really give a s***, but what exactly is the point of this thread anyway? More specifically, what separates this thread, from this one:

 

http://www.letsgowin...sonnext-season/


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Posted 21 January 2014 - 02:06 PM

You think that Kindl and Nyquist for a guy like Benn, Simmonds, van Riensdyk, etc. would be stupid?

 

I don't like Benn.

 

I admittedly don't know enough about JVR to make that call, but I think Gus is going to be a huge player for us in the future so I'd prefer to keep him on board.


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#12 Richdg

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 02:08 PM

Rick, that thread is all about trades and UFA signings, which is fine. Here I am talking about when we can expect young guys to be ready and what positions they fill. This will go out for several years, not just next season.



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Posted 21 January 2014 - 02:10 PM

Id trade anyone except for Z Dats n Tatar for JVR. The kids a superstar. Slightly overshadowed by phil kessel. But nonetheless is the big, fast, scoring winger with sick hands who likes to park it netfront. Exactly what the team needs!

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 02:19 PM

Ok the 16/17 season.

F: Datsyuk, Z, helm, Abby, Sheahan, tatar, Jurco, Callahan, Mantha, Nyquist, 2014 1st round pick, Nastasiuk, Miller, Glendenning, McKee? That makes 15.

D: Kronwall, Ericsson, Dekeyser, Sproul, Smith, Lashoff, Oullett, Jensen, and marchenko. that makes 9.

G: Howard, McCollum, and Mrasek. 3 G's.

 

This is where things get more interesting. We have more players than roster positions. But with the new CBA rules there are a lot of guys in the make it or walk years. Pulkinnen, jarnkrok, Mrasek, Oullett, Sproul, Jensen, frk, etc.... all will have to pass through waivers to be sent to the minors. So either they are on the RW's, traded, or waiver losses. Of course this does nothing to account for guys that are UFA's and if they are resigned. The 2015 and the 2016 drafts are not accounted for yet either.



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Posted 21 January 2014 - 02:25 PM

Id trade anyone except for Z Dats n Tatar for JVR. The kids a superstar. Slightly overshadowed by phil kessel. But nonetheless is the big, fast, scoring winger with sick hands who likes to park it netfront. Exactly what the team needs!

 

I love JVR, but don't see him going anywhere.  Although, the Maple Leafs have traditionally been known for doing impossibly stupid things so maybe.  Anyway, JVR is the next Jeff Carter and it's exactly that type of guy that the Wings could use.  I'd move Nyquist in a second for a guy like that.


Edited by kipwinger, 21 January 2014 - 02:26 PM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 21 January 2014 - 02:29 PM

 
I love JVR, but don't see him going anywhere.  Although, the Maple Leafs have traditionally been known for doing impossibly stupid things so maybe.  Anyway, JVR is the next Jeff Carter and it's exactly that type of guy that the Wings could use.  I'd move Nyquist in a second for a guy like that.

Couldnt agree more Kip. Hes one of my favorite players in the league forsure. His potential is absolutely unreal. Hes the kindof player who does something sick every shift. If Toronto were stupid enough to ever let him go (which im doubting) thered be a bidding war over him forsure. Almost, and i mean almost...any team that ads a player of that caliber is a cup contender. Hes a big part of why toronto is doing as well as they are this half of the season.

Edited by RedWang, 21 January 2014 - 02:30 PM.


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Posted 21 January 2014 - 02:33 PM

 

I love JVR, but don't see him going anywhere.  Although, the Maple Leafs have traditionally been known for doing impossibly stupid things so maybe.  Anyway, JVR is the next Jeff Carter and it's exactly that type of guy that the Wings could use.  I'd move Nyquist in a second for a guy like that.

 

Trading Schen for JVR was most definitely not one of them.


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Posted 21 January 2014 - 02:36 PM

Couldnt agree more Kip. Hes one of my favorite players in the league forsure. His potential is absolutely unreal. Hes the kindof player who does something sick every shift. If Toronto were stupid enough to ever let him go (which im doubting) thered be a bidding war over him forsure. Almost, and i mean almost...any team that ads a player of that caliber is a cup contender. Hes a big part of why toronto is doing as well as they are this half of the season.

 

And to think, Philly traded him for Schenn because they weren't willing to wait out a concussion.  The Flyers have to be one of the poorest run franchises in the league.  The only thing that keeps Holmgren from being named amongst all the other worst GMs in the league has been the amount of money they've spent and the two buyouts that saved them from the cap hell that Bryzgalov and Briere had them in.


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 21 January 2014 - 02:36 PM

 
Trading Schen for JVR was most definitely not one of them.


Genius move by toronto....i wish we had a GM who trades for players like that :(

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 02:38 PM

Genius move by toronto....i wish we had a GM who trades for players like that :(

 

Well Schenn was Toronto's version of Smith, and while I would gladly move Smith for a guy like JVR imagine how apes*** everyone around here would go...well until they saw him play anyway. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 






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