RedWang 422 Report post Posted October 28, 2013 Franzen-Datsyuk-Alfredsson Zetterberg-Weiss-Nyquist Tatar-Helm-Andersson Miller-Glendening-Abdelkader Imo something like that is the best we can do this year and I have a feeling it could look very good.. Pretty much agree with this, but the odds of seeing it are unfortunately slim to none Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted October 28, 2013 I just saw this on MLive, and thought "oh, so it CAN get worse". While its only practice at this point, with Franzen out and Babcock's history, is there any reason to believe Cleary and Abdelkader won't be in the Top 6? I can only hope Miller plays in place of Samuelsson, both to improve our lineup and to prevent us from being a laughing stock with $8M worth of cap on the 4th line. Tootoo (1.9) - Weiss (4.9) - Samuelsson (3.0) = 9.8mil 4th line I really wish you hadn't put this thought into my head Hopefully Babs changes his mind before Weds. 1 b.shanafan14 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted October 28, 2013 I wonder if we'll become the first team in history to bench a majority of its forwards by seasons' end. EDIT: Nevermind, I thought Franzen was benched before I realized he's injured. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pucktividi 472 Report post Posted October 28, 2013 Franzen-Z-Alfie Dats-Weiss-Tatar Abby-Helm-Cleary Miller-Andersson-22 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted October 28, 2013 Tootoo (1.9) - Weiss (4.9) - Samuelsson (3.0) = 9.8mil 4th line I really wish you hadn't put this thought into my head Hopefully Babs changes his mind before Weds. Good lord. In a sick way I kind of want to see them play together just to see the most overpaid 4th line in hockey. 1 b.shanafan14 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWang 422 Report post Posted October 28, 2013 (edited) They have what? 3 points combined. Edited October 28, 2013 by RedWang Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,756 Report post Posted October 28, 2013 I'm so irritated with the Wings' recent performances that I'm sitting here thinking of the most insane possible ways to improve the team. Not Dan Cleary to the first line insane, but insane none the less. When you start thinking that unproven prospects couldn't possibly be worse than your established roster, things have gone badly. 1 Internet.Unknown reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richdg 267 Report post Posted October 28, 2013 This is the problem with Holland's patch and plug approach the last couple of years. far to many old guys making far to much money. we can't go out and add quality pieces because we have no cap room. We can't even fire guys that deserve it-doesn't create cap room. Hell we can't even call up a Nyquist and his 950k salary right now because we have no cap room. Most teams can live with 1 or 2 bad contracts but we have about 8! alfie, bert, Sammy, cleary, tootoo, eaves, Quincey, Gus.......... that is a lot of guys and a lot of money for almost zero production. if Weiss doesn't get his butt in gear soon add him to the list. Even without him, that is nearly 20 million on bad deals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DeGraa55 Report post Posted October 28, 2013 This is the problem with Holland's patch and plug approach the last couple of years. far to many old guys making far to much money. we can't go out and add quality pieces because we have no cap room. We can't even fire guys that deserve it-doesn't create cap room. Hell we can't even call up a Nyquist and his 950k salary right now because we have no cap room. Most teams can live with 1 or 2 bad contracts but we have about 8! alfie, bert, Sammy, cleary, tootoo, eaves, Quincey, Gus.......... that is a lot of guys and a lot of money for almost zero production. if Weiss doesn't get his butt in gear soon add him to the list. Even without him, that is nearly 20 million on bad deals. Just have patience and faith. Remember at end of year most of those deals are done!!! O wait Holland is our gm? They'll all be back with slight raises and ntc. Cause we like our team. Just wait the the trade deadline when no deals are made cause lack of cap space. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 Just wait the the trade deadline when no deals are made cause lack of cap space. Does it really matter? Remember carrying $4.5M of cap space two years ago, and almost $7.4M last season? Cap space or no, you need players worth the money (which are rare), trade partners willing to consider our stockpile of has-beens and plugs (even rarer), and a GM willing to deal (for someone other than previous busts like Quincey). We have a bevy of great prospects which Holland, his scouting and coaching staff has done well to pick and development, but in recent years the Wings have survived his decisions, not thrived off of them. I hope Weiss and Alfie come around, and there is plenty of time for them to do so, but the money we have wrapped up in guys like Samuelsson and Cleary is trademark Holland these days. Bertuzzi, Quincey, Tootoo..... Samuelsson and Cleary (in descending order of usefulness) all take up cap and roster space that would be better used in just about any other way you could possibly imagine, let alone readily available options like regular time for Tatar and bringing in Nyquist for good. The Detroit Red Wings: Surviving Ken Holland since 2009. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 Lack of motivation is killing this team. The whole team is in a huge rut and that includes Zetterberg and Datsyuk. If Babcock can't have his team put forth effort unless they're fighting for their playoff lives then he needs to go. Putting Weisse on the 4th line is an ass backwards move. A move an irrational LGW poster would make not a professional coach. It seems Babs doesn't like to take responsibility for anything. He even has had a few of his assistances fired. Maybe Babs is the problem not everybody else. Powerplay, penalty kill and motivation has been terrible for 3+ years, that falls on the coaches. There is plenty of coaches that get a lot more out of their team with a lot less Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 Lines in today's practice: Zetterberg Datsyuk Bertuzzi Cleary Weiss Alfredsson Tatar Andersson Abdelkader Miller Glendening Eaves Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) Lines in today's practice: Zetterberg Datsyuk Bertuzzi Cleary Weiss Alfredsson Tatar Andersson Abdelkader Miller Glendening Eaves Cleary got promoted. Obviously that's been our problem. Not enough top six minutes for Cleary. Edited October 29, 2013 by rick zombo 2 Z Winged Dangler and cr00d reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 I think Cleary reconsidered re: the Flyers because he realized they would all see that he can't skate and would laugh at him. Whereas here we'd give him top-six minutes and treat him like a lock for the Hall of Fame. My only question is: Which number do we retire, 11 or 71? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BottleOfSmoke 5,965 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 Swap Tatar and Cleary in that set up and I won't cry too hard. 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/28/bruins-guess-eriksson-concussion-is-getting-better/ Note the Red Wing in the pic. Note who it is and what he's doing. Swap Tatar and Cleary in that set up and I won't cry too hard. That's what I'm thinking. And then maybe go a step further and swap Cleary and Miller or Eaves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BottleOfSmoke 5,965 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/28/bruins-guess-eriksson-concussion-is-getting-better/ Note the Red Wing in the pic. Note who it is and what he's doing. Without looking, I'm going to say... Brendan Smith humping a pineapple? While pinching? 1 kipwinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HolyMackerel 40 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 What has Cleary done to warrant being on the second line? I've figured out how he's doing this, he's hypnotised Babcock http://danclearyhypnosis.com/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greenrebellion 415 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 I think Cleary reconsidered re: the Flyers because he realized they would all see that he can't skate and would laugh at him. Whereas here we'd give him top-six minutes and treat him like a lock for the Hall of Fame. My only question is: Which number do we retire, 11 or 71? Both obviously. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 Lines in today's practice: Zetterberg Datsyuk Bertuzzi Cleary Weiss Alfredsson Tatar Andersson Abdelkader Miller Glendening Eaves Makes more sense, except if it was me, Tatar would be helping Weiss break out of his funk, Eaves would be on the third line, Tootoo on the fourth, and Cleary on the bench next to Sammy talking about 2008. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RusDRW 155 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 Lines in today's practice: Zetterberg Datsyuk Bertuzzi Cleary Weiss Alfredsson Tatar Andersson Abdelkader Miller Glendening Eaves yeah.... they'll remain like this for first two minutes of the first period and then again Zet-Dats-Alf, Zet-Franzen-Cleary, Cleary-Andersson-Miller, Miller-Glendening-Datsyuk and so on... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 I think Cleary reconsidered re: the Flyers because he realized they would all see that he can't skate and would laugh at him. Whereas here we'd give him top-six minutes and treat him like a lock for the Hall of Fame. My only question is: Which number do we retire, 11 or 71? I agree with both. HELL, let him pick a third number and we're retire them 3 straight nights.. danny boy deserves nothing but the best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,756 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 Without looking, I'm going to say... Brendan Smith humping a pineapple? While pinching? Priceless, you've genuinely blossomed into my favorite poster around here. Keep up the good work. 1 BottleOfSmoke reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BottleOfSmoke 5,965 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 Priceless, you've genuinely blossomed into my favorite poster around here. Keep up the good work. <3 u too. You can get married with me and Dabura and we'll all move to Utah. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWang 422 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 Lines in today's practice: Zetterberg Datsyuk Bertuzzi Cleary Weiss Alfredsson Tatar Andersson Abdelkader Miller Glendening Eaves Much better than the mess we saw yesterday in practice, only thing id change is move tatar up to 2nd line, miller to 3rd and of course, cleary to fourth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
