Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Why are you talking about the past. I am talking about right now, and going forward. The Toews and Kane contracts are not good for Chicago, especially the Toews contract.

And Toews most definitely is not a top 3 center lol.

Yeah the horror of having 2 absolute super stars as the pieces of your franchise.

Right now the reality is simple: The Hawks and Kings will be rested! next season to me that's scary for the rest of the league.

Maybe I overrated Toews but the guy brings so much more than just points, he just does it all and his leadership is just exceptional.I wouldn't take Malkin over him, only reason I might take Tavares would be age and the cost controlled contract but overall I'd lean towards no. Kopitar is an awesome player and close, so good call.

[The Datsyukian Deke 127]

"Fortunately" I first got into watching hockey only at the end of the 2009-10 season, so no Chelios for me. The " " are about the fact that I missed out on many, many years of witnessing Pavel and Nik, our last title, and so much more..

..I was about to throw up when I learned about the Bertuzzi incident, though. There might be people who say sometimes (or even most times) you need guys on your team that are dirty, to win titles, even if it's just to counter oppositions dirtyness, but I don't wanna see any of this trash. In my opinion, Bertuzzi should be in jail and Lucic should've been suspended an entire season for spearing Danny.

Most importantly, I don't get how these people made it through their lives so far, with that kind of behaviour, without consequences. That thing with Danny gets your straight into hospital on most playgrounds, and rightfully so..

[kickazz 5,459]

Right now the reality is simple: The Hawks and Kings will be rested! next season to me that's scary for the rest of the league.

That argument doesn't make sense Frank. LA was well rested the year before this and ended up choking these playoffs. I'd still put my money on Crosby/Malkin/Kessel. They have 3 lines that are better than most top 6 lines.

[Internet.Unknown 422]

"Fortunately" I first got into watching hockey only at the end of the 2009-10 season, so no Chelios for me. The " " are about the fact that I missed out on many, many years of witnessing Pavel and Nik, our last title, and so much more..

..I was about to throw up when I learned about the Bertuzzi incident, though. There might be people who say sometimes (or even most times) you need guys on your team that are dirty, to win titles, even if it's just to counter oppositions dirtyness, but I don't wanna see any of this trash. In my opinion, Bertuzzi should be in jail and Lucic should've been suspended an entire season for spearing Danny.

Most importantly, I don't get how these people made it through their lives so far, with that kind of behaviour, without consequences. That thing with Danny gets your straight into hospital on most playgrounds, and rightfully so..

If you think cheap shots in hockey disqualify guys from playing on your team, you're gonna run out of player to root for. Yeah, the spear on DD was bad, but it wasn't Claude Lemieux-bad. (I know, waaaay before your time). Hell, look up Vladdy (because, again, before your time). Dude was a beast and most other teams would have called him a cheater/cheap shot artist. So many elbows! Good thing you missed the Bad Boys era. Wrong sport, I know.

[Datsyukian-Deke 722]

No on Lucic. And not because he is a dirty player blah blah blah but because I don't think he would be worth the money he would demand on the open market. 3 years ago I'd def give him a look but he has been on the decline. I'd rather have Backes if we are looking for a bigger forward.

[poel 28]

Lol it's people like you who overrate Toews. Hhahahah. Jeez man.

Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos, Tavares, Kopitar, Datsyuk are all better centers than Toews.

Want to know what's funny? An injured Datsyuk is better than Toews by all stats and eyeball tests too.

This is ridiculous. From what I've seen apart from maybe Kopitar Toews wins all head to head versus these players. Especially Crosby. When he's on the ice vs Toews, he hardly ever has the puck. Also it's Toews who has the most rings and it's him who has the ability to make players around him better like nobody else. Toews means so much more than just points. I get that the new contract sucks but apart from maybe Tavares who could do more elsewhere he's the best Center in this league. He might never score like Crosby but he'll always shut him down with ease. Maybe I'm missing something but when matched up vs Toews I've never seen anything outta Crosby.

Kopitar is too inconsistent and the two others you mentioned are far behind anyways. Datsyuk, when at his best, was one of the most dominant Centers ever but with his health issues he was declining rapidly...

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Dreger this morning on TSN Radio:

On what he’s hearing about Steven Stamkos, and what’s going on in his head as far as his future:

“Well, there has to be a lot going on outside of his head and inside of his head. In the perfect world, this would have been dealt with prior to the start of last season, and it would have been a non-story all season long. He would have been extended. Everyone would have been happy. Aside from the injury factor, which you can never control, it would have been a terrific season for Stamkos and the Lightning. But that’s not the case.

“I still believe he wants to stay with the Lightning. He wants to finish what he started. He wants to help this organization realize its goal of winning a Stanley Cup. But because of everything else around him, the pending restricted free agents, the unrestricted free agents a year from now – Yzerman has a plateful.

“So what I’ve been told – and not by Tampa Bay or by Newport Sports, but some who believe that they’re in the know where this case is concerned – is that Yzerman has said to others that he can’t go above $8.5 million. So perhaps he boosts the term, and if the term gets boosted to the max of eight years, that’s a lot of money that Steven Stamkos is going to have to walk away from if he goes to free agency.

“But again, to link Detroit back into this, and there’s a number of teams. I know we’ve openly talked about the Toronto Maple Leafs’ interest. I think Detroit is one of those teams that would automatically, if they could move the Datsyuk contract, put down an offer of seven years at $10 million per for Stamkos, if he gets to July 1.

“So there’s $70 million versus… what’s eight years times $8.5 million; that’s almost $70 million, and you’re staying with the Lightning."

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Does anyone know where I can find/see the draft preview from the hockey news online without paying?? I use to find it in previous years but no luck this time

If so please msg me

[VM1138 1,921]

So basically the only way Stamkos leaves Tampa is if he wants to go. Which doesn't sound like the case at all.

Whelp, there goes my excitement for the offseason. Hopefully we can still make some moves to improve in different areas but overall it might be another year of coasting along.

[joesuffP 1,746]

So basically Stamkos leaves if he wants a bunch more money... Pretty good incentive if you ask me

Good thing is Holland won't be reluctant to hand out 10.5M per. It comes down to which situation he prefers in the end. Money isn't going to keep him from Detroit

Edited June 20, 2016 by joesuffP

[VM1138 1,921]

If Yzerman offers 8 years he'd make almost the same amount of money as our expected offer. So money won't be the deciding factor.

[marcaractac 3,963]

Seems the Bolts don't wanna offer any more than 8.5. Team that gets him gotta be able to top in 7 years what Tampa would pay him in 8.

[kickazz 5,459]

$8.5 mill x 8 from Tampa = $68 million

$10.5 mill x 7 from Detroit or Buffalo = $73.5 million

More money in one less year. Not saying it would happen but just showing the potential.

Let's get even more obnoxious.

$11 mill x 7 from Detroit or Buffalo = $77 million. Almost $10 million more in one less year.

Of course if Yzerman went all ham and offered $10 x 8 years that would be $80 million so Tampa wins.

Toronto is screwed with taxes so his pay might be even less over there. They would have to pay him $11.5 to equal the same amount of money as what Detroit or Buffalo would offer at $10 million.

Edited June 20, 2016 by kickazz

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

I've said it months ago , he's going nowhere

Less taxes , great weather all year long , competitive team .... Why would he leave ?

He's going back and if problems persist with stamkos/drouin and cooper, then cooper will be a goner in 2 yrs

[marcaractac 3,963]

I've said it months ago , he's going nowhere

Less taxes , great weather all year long , competitive team .... Why would he leave ?

He's going back and if problems persist with stamkos/drouin and cooper, then cooper will be a goner in 2 yrs

Because if he is locked up there, some of that team gets broken up next summer. Money can also play a role, which gives Detroit and Buffalo and advantage. Tampa has money coming on the books big time over the next year. Detroit has more coming off than going back on for the time being. The cap will also be higher by the time guys like Larkin get paid, so a Stamkos contract wouldn't hinder the Wings in the way it would hinder the Bolts.

In the end, Holland needs to take a risk and move that Datsyuk contract. As long as it doesn't cost a first or a top prospect, it has to be done. The team has a legit shot at Stamkos (if he hits the market) if they take a legit run at it.

Edited June 20, 2016 by marcaractac

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

I disagree .... Yes hedman's contract will go up but bishop will also be off the books and they can get rid of a Callahan or others

For us to compete with the 8.5 Tampa is offering , because of the taxes I'm guessing it'll have to be 10-11 per (which I wouldn't do)

Think it's just a ploy from stamkos to try and get more money off tampa but he will be back

We'll see what happens soon enough

[krsmith17 7,191]

Coyotes acquire 2016 fourth-round pick and 2017 third-round pick from Sharks for center Max Letunov and 2017 sixth-round pick.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Stamkos would be nuts to sign for significantly less than he's worth. Even it it's over 8 years as a player I'd have a hard time saying no to 1 million that's still 250.000 per year less. Maybe for some of you guys so this isn't a lot of money for me it would be a lot..that's basically one less Ferrari a year!

If Holland really wants Stamkos our offer has to be magnificent and therefore better than the ones Toews and Kane signed. Just load up the signing bonus with not so obvious incentives so the NHL can't cry cap circumvention.

[kickazz 5,459]

I disagree .... Yes hedman's contract will go up but bishop will also be off the books and they can get rid of a Callahan or others

For us to compete with the 8.5 Tampa is offering , because of the taxes I'm guessing it'll have to be 10-11 per (which I wouldn't do)

Think it's just a ploy from stamkos to try and get more money off tampa but he will be back

We'll see what happens soon enough

I don't think you entirely understand Tampa Bays situation.

This year they have to re-sign Killorn, Kucherov, Stamkos who will get paid quite a bit. Others lesser paid will be Namestnikov, Paquette, Brown, Nesterov.

Next year they have to resign Drouin, Palat, Johnson (hello big money), Hedman (biggg pay day), Bishop (contract might be bigger than his frame).

They have $18 million this year to resign people. If they throw $10 million at Stamkos that leaves 8 million to resign Killorn, Kucherov and the rest of the RFAs. There simply is NOT enough money for this team to re-sign people. Stamkos is the common denominator here. If they want to retain the team that went to the conference finals this year, Stamkos might be the guy who walks while everyone else is resigned.

Edited June 20, 2016 by kickazz

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

I don't think you entirely understand Tampa Bays situation.

This year they have to re-sign Killorn, Kucherov, Stamkos who will get paid quite a bit. Others lesser paid will be Namestnikov, Paquette, Brown, Nesterov.

Next year they have to resign Drouin, Palat, Johnson (hello big money), Hedman (biggg pay day), Bishop (contract might be bigger than his frame).

They have $18 million this year to resign people. If they throw $10 million at Stamkos that leaves 8 million to resign Killorn, Kucherov and the rest of the RFAs. There simply is NOT enough money for this team to re-sign people. Stamkos is the common denominator here. If they want to retain the team that went to the conference finals this year, Stamkos might be the guy who walks while everyone else is resigned.

I'm well aware of tampa's situation ... It's called making moves ... Get rid of bishop and Callahan , maybe they see stamkos more important than Johnson who's struggled last while and trade him for assets

I'm not a fan of giving 10 million to stamkos and his bloodclot issues and his demands to play center ....anyways Again we'll see who's right soon enough ... Like 10 days left

[kickazz 5,459]

Getting rid of a potential Vezina winner might be the dumbest thing they do.

[marcaractac 3,963]

I'm well aware of tampa's situation ... It's called making moves ... Get rid of bishop and Callahan , maybe they see stamkos more important than Johnson who's struggled last while and trade him for assets

I'm not a fan of giving 10 million to stamkos and his bloodclot issues and his demands to play center ....anyways Again we'll see who's right soon enough ... Like 10 days left

1. His blood clot issues have been taken care of. It's a non issue.

2. He is a center. If you haven't noticed, we kind of need a #1 center right now.

[kickazz 5,459]

I'm not a fan of giving 10 million to stamkos and his bloodclot issues and his demands to play center ....anyways Again we'll see who's right soon enough ... Like 10 days left

Lol. IF ONLY the Wings had MORE players that would demand to play center. We have zero top 6 centers.

I think you just listed the primary reason why the Red Wings might throw money at Stamkos.

Edited June 20, 2016 by kickazz

[VM1138 1,921]

I'm not a fan of paying $1000 for a decent computer but I'd do it if I needed a great computer. People act like Stamkos isn't one of the top few players in the world.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Getting rid of a potential Vezina winner might be the dumbest thing they do.

Lmao

They have vasilevsky who's just as good and cheap , and with expansion draft coming they'll lose a goalie guaranteed

Ben bishop is as good as gone