World Junior Tournament

[poel 28]

27 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

So confused... Who else would you blame for that goal?...

While I understand that Americans don't care much about European countries, I can confirm that the Russians played a country called Denmark. Van Pottelberghe is Swiss and played vs the US boys 

The guy you're confusing him with is Lasse Petersen. On a sidenote, I have no clue why the Danes started him. They also have Kasper Krog who played extremely well but when he came in in the 2nd it was already too late.

Edited January 3, 2017 by poel

[krsmith17 7,191]

56 minutes ago, poel said:

While I understand that Americans don't care much about European countries, I can confirm that the Russians played a country called Denmark. Van Pottelberghe is Swiss and played vs the US boys 

The guy you're confusing him with is Lasse Petersen. On a sidenote, I have no clue why the Danes started him. They also have Kasper Krog who played extremely well but when he came in in the 2nd it was already too late.

My bad. To be fair though, the video is a little grainy (on my phone at least), and all I seen was number 30 (Van Pottelberghe's number) on a red team (Switzerland and Denmark jerseys do look quite similar at first glance). I'm fully aware that VP is Swiss, I just assumed Nerve was posting a vid of our goalie... Anyway, forget everything I said. Carry on...

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4 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

So confused... Who else would you blame for that goal?...

Hollands fault for sure for drafting him.

[NerveDamage 4,176]

2 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

My bad. To be fair though, the video is a little grainy (on my phone at least), and all I seen was number 30 (Van Pottelberghe's number) on a red team (Switzerland and Denmark jerseys do look quite similar at first glance). I'm fully aware that VP is Swiss, I just assumed Nerve was posting a vid of our goalie... Anyway, forget everything I said. Carry on...

for sure, blame it on me, no worries... hehe

[poel 28]

1 hour ago, DatsyukianDekes said:

Hollands fault for sure for drafting him.

Again. How many 19yo goalies are starters for a club like Davos playing in one of the most competitive leagues? Time will tell but so far so good.

I also read an article after the draft that this pick was basically all Hakan Andersson. Of course he needed Holland's approval but it definitely wasn't Holland's idea.

I guess it was also important to add another goaltender to the prospect pool. Goalies are always wild cards. Not sure how they feel about Paterson.

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55 minutes ago, poel said:

Again. How many 19yo goalies are starters for a club like Davos playing in one of the most competitive leagues? Time will tell but so far so good.

I also read an article after the draft that this pick was basically all Hakan Andersson. Of course he needed Holland's approval but it definitely wasn't Holland's idea.

I guess it was also important to add another goaltender to the prospect pool. Goalies are always wild cards. Not sure how they feel about Paterson.

I was being sarcastic.

[poel 28]

23 minutes ago, DatsyukianDekes said:

I was being sarcastic.

Oh. Sorry. My detector appears to be broken

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

20 hours ago, poel said:

Again. How many 19yo goalies are starters for a club like Davos playing in one of the most competitive leagues? Time will tell but so far so good.

I also read an article after the draft that this pick was basically all Hakan Andersson. Of course he needed Holland's approval but it definitely wasn't Holland's idea.

I guess it was also important to add another goaltender to the prospect pool. Goalies are always wild cards. Not sure how they feel about Paterson.

One of the most competitive leagues? Compared to what? The DEL?

[Wheelchairsuperhero 1,453]

Not quite as epic as the TJ Oshie moment, but I'll take it.

[poel 28]

1 hour ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

One of the most competitive leagues? Compared to what? The DEL?

Which league is better? ChL quarterfinals featured the ZSC Lions, SC Bern and Fribourg Gottéron. At the Spengler Cup, Swiss teams regularly beat teams from all over Europe, including the KHL.

While I understand that those competitions may not have top priority for both Swiss and other clubs, Swiss clubs continuously get the best players out of all leagues except the NHL and KHL. The Swiss NLA is the league with the highest average attendance in Europe and our clubs pay the highest salaries besides NHL and KHL. One could argue that the Finnish Liiga might be better than the NLA because of the speed of Finnish hockey. But all other leagues, including the AHL, are definitely quite a bit behind the NLA.

But okay. Ever since your comment about a certain "crap goalie" I know a lot about your knowledge of European hockey

Edited January 4, 2017 by poel

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

21 minutes ago, poel said:

Which league is better? ChL quarterfinals featured the ZSC Lions, SC Bern and Fribourg Gottéron. At the Spengler Cup, Swiss teams regularly beat teams from all over Europe, including the KHL.

While I understand that those competitions may not have top priority for both Swiss and other clubs, Swiss clubs continuously get the best players out of all leagues except the NHL and KHL. The Swiss NLA is the league with the highest average attendance in Europe and our clubs pay the highest salaries besides NHL and KHL. One could argue that the Finnish Liiga might be better than the NLA because of the speed of Finnish hockey. But all other leagues, including the AHL, are definitely quite a bit behind the NLA.

Yes the Swiss get the best players. Corey Emmerton, Classes Linus, Tommi Santala, Julien Jumpers, soooo many BIG names lol.

NHL, KHL, SHL, Finnish league, Czech league, and AHL are all superior. But your attendance is nice, so there's that....

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55 minutes ago, Wheelchairsuperhero said:

Not quite as epic as the TJ Oshie moment, but I'll take it.

the only thing I'd argue about the "TJ Oshie moment" is that, he was pretty much the only one in charge of the shootouts, so if the same player goes against the goalie a few times, he has a clear advantage, he had 6 chances against Bobrovsky. I know it's not his fault, but I find that IIHF rule, really stupid.

[poel 28]

27 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Yes the Swiss get the best players. Corey Emmerton, Classes Linus, Tommi Santala, Julien Jumpers, soooo many BIG names lol.

NHL, KHL, SHL, Finnish league, Czech league, and AHL are all superior. But your attendance is nice, so there's that....

Lol. Yet another unqualified post.

Money reigns the world. Most players will go wherever they earn the most. Salaries are way lower in every other European League except the KHL. Swiss teams pay a lot and Switzerland is a better place to live than to travel from one shabby hotel to the other and work your ass off for a ridiculous salary in the AHL or to live in a cold and lonely place somewhere in Scandinavia or Eastern Europe. 

Why do you think everytime there's a lockout in the NHL, all players head to Switzerland?

Why do you think Mark Arcobello didn't want to play in the AHL, why do you think Linus Klasen came over from Sweden, why Robert Nilsson or Perttu Lindgren from Russia? If there's a good player on the market somewhere in Europe, he'll head to Switzerland. It is how it is. Name me one good player a Swedish club got out of the NLA. You won't be able to come up with many names.

Americans often tend to think that the Swedish league would be Europe's best because that's where the NHL gets the most Europeans from. It's misleading though. Swedish clubs are known for excellent youth development. That's why van Pottelberghe went over to play there as a young kid. Makes little sense to play pro hockey over there though if you have a choice.

Edited January 5, 2017 by poel

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6 minutes ago, poel said:

Lol. Yet another unqualified post.

Money reigns the world. Most players will go wherever they earn the most. Salaries are way lower in every other European League except the KHL. Swiss teams pay a lot and Switzerland is a better place to live than to travel from one shabby hotel to the other and work your ass off for a ridiculous salary in the AHL or to live in a cold and lonely place somewhere in Scandinavia or Eastern Europe. 

Why do you think everytime there's a lockout in the NHL, all players head to Switzerland?

Why do you think Mark Arcobello didn't want to play in the AHL, why do you think Linus Klasen came over from Sweden, why Robert Nilsson or Perttu Lindgren from Russia? If there's a good player on the market somewhere in Europe, he'll head to Switzerland. It is how it is. Name me one good player a Swedish club got out of the NLA. You won't be able to come up with many names.

Americans often tend to think that the Swedish league would be Europe's best because that's where the NHL gets the most Europeans from. It's misleading though. Swedish clubs are known for excellent youth development. That's why van Pottelberghe went over to play there as a young kid. Makes little sense to play pro hockey over there though if you have a choice.

TIL Arcobello, Klasen, other no-namer, and who-cares are all great hockey players. Who knew.

Phoenix is a great place to live too, but winnipeg is still better hockey and produces better hockey players.

How many more AHL rejects does the NLA need before theyre ahead of the KHL?

To stay on topic, who does America have the best shot against? Sweden or Russia, havent watched either play yet.

[poel 28]

3 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

TIL Arcobello, Klasen, other no-namer, and who-cares are all great hockey players. Who knew.

Phoenix is a great place to live too, but winnipeg is still better hockey and produces better hockey players.

How many more AHL rejects does the NLA need before theyre ahead of the KHL?

To stay on topic, who does America have the best shot against? Sweden or Russia, havent watched either play yet.

Linus Klasen is one of best Swedish players outside the NHL. Another one of these, Linus Omark, used to play for Zug before getting another shot in the NHL.

Better get your facts straight. I'm still waiting for your list of great players who other European clubs got outta the NLA or even against competing offers outta the NLA. You can also send me a message if, all of a sudden, you care about the topic

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

14 minutes ago, poel said:

Linus Klasen is one of best Swedish players outside the NHL. Another one of these, Linus Omark, used to play for Zug before getting another shot in the NHL.

Better get your facts straight. I'm still waiting for your list of great players who other European clubs got outta the NLA or even against competing offers outta the NLA. You can also send me a message if, all of a sudden, you care about the topic

Got out of the NLA? The NLA doesnt produce talent worth stealing lol. Its a hodge podge of rejects from the AHL and other parts of Europe.

Message me if you want to continue this. This thread is about the juniors tournaments. Hopefully crap goalie can steal one for his crappy team again.

[poel 28]

18 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Got out of the NLA? The NLA doesnt produce talent worth stealing lol. Its a hodge podge of rejects from the AHL and other parts of Europe.

Message me if you want to continue this. This thread is about the juniors tournaments. Hopefully crap goalie can steal one for his crappy team again.

 

I never said that we'd produce all that much talent. It's getting better but that's still something the Swedes do way better. Unlike in Sweden, Swiss players tend to stay in Switzerland though. Swedish league is quite weak due to the clubs lacking money. That's why most of the best Swedes who don't make the NHL move on to play in Switzerland or Russia. 

Topscorers from all European leagues regularly move on to play in Switzerland and usually don't return until they're past their prime. So even though it's a fair point to say that we're not producing talent, you can still send me your list of NLA topscorers leaving the NLA in their prime for other European teams. Thx in advance.

Lol. After this post it becomes clear you're not even following the WJC. Just trying to get outta here, huh? Switzerland lost to the US (thanks to the refs but that's another story)

 

Edited January 5, 2017 by poel

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14 hours ago, poel said:

 

I never said that we'd produce all that much talent. It's getting better but that's still something the Swedes do way better. Unlike in Sweden, Swiss players tend to stay in Switzerland though. Swedish league is quite weak due to the clubs lacking money. That's why most of the best Swedes who don't make the NHL move on to play in Switzerland or Russia. 

Topscorers from all European leagues regularly move on to play in Switzerland and usually don't return until they're past their prime. So even though it's a fair point to say that we're not producing talent, you can still send me your list of NLA topscorers leaving the NLA in their prime for other European teams. Thx in advance.

Lol. After this post it becomes clear you're not even following the WJC. Just trying to get outta here, huh? Switzerland lost to the US (thanks to the refs but that's another story)

 

Yeah not because you have one of the weakest teams at the tournament...

Again, you're going way off topic. If you want to know why other leagues aren't poaching Cory Emmerton out of the NLA I'd be happy to discuss that with you in my inbox.

[poel 28]

6 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Yeah not because you have one of the weakest teams at the tournament...

Again, you're going way off topic. If you want to know why other leagues aren't poaching Cory Emmerton out of the NLA I'd be happy to discuss that with you in my inbox.

http://www.gdp.ch/sport/hockey/il-talismano-emmerton-un-po-asso-e-un-po-jolly-id92835.html

Cory Emmerton played quite a few games for the Redwings and did well. While he may not be a scorer, he's still one of the best Canadians playing outside the NHL and that's what earned him a roster spot on Team Canada at the Spengler Cup both this and last year.

I don't expect you to be able to read an Italian article but it quotes Emmerton saying that he decided to play for Ambri despite several competing offers out of Sweden and the KHL and despite being in talks with NHL teams. Me made the decision because of the high quality of life in Switzerland and the fans. Ambri has a very old and special arena where it is exceptionally cold and where the fans are very close.

 

He didn't talk about money but that sure has been a factor, too as Swedish teams aren't even close from competing with salaries paid in Switzerland. In the KHL, a few teams got lots of money and then you have teams like Zagreb who aren't even fluid enough to buy hockey sticks.

This is getting ridiculous. You clearly know very little about European hockey so it makes no sense to discuss it with you.

Edited January 5, 2017 by poel

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

8 minutes ago, poel said:

http://www.gdp.ch/sport/hockey/il-talismano-emmerton-un-po-asso-e-un-po-jolly-id92835.html

Cory Emmerton played quite a few games for the Redwings and did well. While he may not be a scorer, he's still one of the best Canadians playing outside the NHL and that's what earned him a roster spot on Team Canada at the Spengler Cup both this and last year.

I don't expect you to be able to read an Italian article but it quotes Emmerton saying that he decided to play for Ambri despite several competing offers out of Sweden and the KHL and despite being in talks with NHL teams. Me made the decision because of the high quality of life in Switzerland and the fans. Ambri has a very old and special arena where it is exceptionally cold and where the fans are very close.

 

He didn't talk about money but that sure has been a factor, too as Swedish teams aren't even close from competing with salaries paid in Switzerland. In the KHL, a few teams got lots of money and then you have teams like Zagreb who aren't even fluid enough to buy hockey sticks.

This is getting ridiculous. You clearly know very little about European hockey so it makes no sense to discuss it with you.

This isn't my inbox!

EDIT: Pro Tip: Click on my profile and from there you should be able to send me a personal message. The internet is tough to navigate sometimes I know 

Edited January 5, 2017 by ChristopherReevesLegs

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CONGRATULATIONS TO THE USA!!!!

The only thing I'd change is it shouldn't have been decided by a shoot out.

[amato 3,210]

USA! USA! USA!  What a game indeed! Feels real good after that terrible World Cup performance.. 

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If you guys want to see how crazy Leafs fans are. Go on Austin Matthews twitter and read how salty they are when he put USA flag emojis. They are legit telling him he should be traded LOL! 

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1 hour ago, HadThomasVokounOnFortSt said:

If you guys want to see how crazy Leafs fans are. Go on Austin Matthews twitter and read how salty they are when he put USA flag emojis. They are legit telling him he should be traded LOL! 

do they only want Canadian players? we'll give em cleary  

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Congrats to USA.  As much as it hurts you beat us twice so you are the best