Datsyukian-Deke 722 Report post Posted April 30, 2017 (edited) Just a little history of the 9th overall pick from the last 10 drafts. Not too shabby actually. 2016) Mikhail Sergachev 2015) Timo Meier 2014) Nikolaj Ehlers 2013) Bo Horvat 2012) Jacob Trouba 2011) Dougie Hamilton 2010) Mikael Granlund 2009) Jared Cowen 2008) Josh Bailey 2007) Logan Couture Edited April 30, 2017 by Datsyukian-Deke 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted April 30, 2017 Hahaha f*** man. But yeah, it's not too bad a list. Not gonna find a Couture or Trouba in this draft though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyukian-Deke 722 Report post Posted April 30, 2017 43 minutes ago, chaps80 said: Hahaha f*** man. But yeah, it's not too bad a list. Not gonna find a Couture or Trouba in this draft though. I look at the list and see 7 solid NHL players(not super stars but guys who could def help the Wings), 2 young promising players, and one bust in Cowen. Although Cowen was a huge reach when he was drafted 9th so that was sort of expected. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted April 30, 2017 37 minutes ago, Datsyukian-Deke said: I look at the list and see 7 solid NHL players(not super stars but guys who could def help the Wings), 2 young promising players, and one bust in Cowen. Although Cowen was a huge reach when he was drafted 9th so that was sort of expected. Yeah I think we'll get someone decent, but I dunno if they'll pay off right away. In Couture's draft year only McDonagh(13), Shattenkirk(14), and Pacioretty(22) really stand out in the players drafted after him, but still some decent names there like Perron. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,963 Report post Posted April 30, 2017 9 hours ago, Datsyukian-Deke said: Just a little history of the 9th overall pick from the last 10 drafts. Not too shabby actually. 2016) Mikhail Sergachev 2015) Timo Meier 2014) Nikolaj Ehlers 2013) Bo Horvat 2012) Jacob Trouba 2011) Dougie Hamilton 2010) Mikael Granlund 2009) Jared Cowen 2008) Josh Bailey 2007) Logan Couture 2017) Owen Tippett 2 BadgerBob and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted April 30, 2017 (edited) It's nice that there appears to be such parity at the top of the draft, better for a team like us. A lot of reports/buzz/projections etc have us taking Liljegren, has anyone here seen him play? I now Lefty hates him, but anyone else lol? Edited April 30, 2017 by kliq Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyukian-Deke 722 Report post Posted April 30, 2017 12 minutes ago, kliq said: It's nice that there appears to be such parity at the top of the draft, better for a team like us. A lot of reports/buzz/projections etc have us taking Liljegren, has anyone here seen him play? I now Lefty hates him, but anyone else lol? https://www.google.com/amp/www.wingingitinmotown.com/platform/amp/2017/4/30/15472894/2017-nhl-draft-prospect-timothy-liljegren-drop-could-be-red-wings-gain Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted April 30, 2017 54 minutes ago, chaps80 said: Yeah I think we'll get someone decent, but I dunno if they'll pay off right away. In Couture's draft year only McDonagh(13), Shattenkirk(14), and Pacioretty(22) really stand out in the players drafted after him, but still some decent names there like Perron. Players outside the top 2 or 3 rarely contribute much immediately. This sin't the NFL where they come in after playing 3 or 4 years of college ball. These are 18 and 19 year old kids who need to get stronger and work on their game before they're close to NHL ready. 1 chaps80 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyukian-Deke 722 Report post Posted April 30, 2017 8 minutes ago, DickieDunn said: Players outside the top 2 or 3 rarely contribute much immediately. This sin't the NFL where they come in after playing 3 or 4 years of college ball. These are 18 and 19 year old kids who need to get stronger and work on their game before they're close to NHL ready. Yea even last year in a strong draft year only 4 players played meaningful minutes in the regular season this year: Matthews, Laine, Tkachuk, and Chychrun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted April 30, 2017 34 minutes ago, Datsyukian-Deke said: https://www.google.com/amp/www.wingingitinmotown.com/platform/amp/2017/4/30/15472894/2017-nhl-draft-prospect-timothy-liljegren-drop-could-be-red-wings-gain Ya I saw that article, not a huge fan of WIIM. Thanks for posting though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyukian-Deke 722 Report post Posted April 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, kliq said: Ya I saw that article, not a huge fan of WIIM. Thanks for posting though. I agree they aren't the best source but they voiced some of the same thoughts I had about Liljegren. The bout with Mono really set him back this year. It's hard to miss that much time and then come back strong afterward. I personally think he would be a great pick at #9. He has great vision, moves the puck well and can QB a PP. Something the Wings need. 3 amato, krsmith17 and kliq reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted April 30, 2017 This team needs centers much more than D or Ws. They literally have nothing outside of the NHL that resembles a C prospect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted April 30, 2017 Larkin and AA both started as centers. Their d prospect depth is as empty as center depth. Both are neededSent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk 1 kliq reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted April 30, 2017 3 hours ago, Datsyukian-Deke said: I agree they aren't the best source but they voiced some of the same thoughts I had about Liljegren. The bout with Mono really set him back this year. It's hard to miss that much time and then come back strong afterward. I personally think he would be a great pick at #9. He has great vision, moves the puck well and can QB a PP. Something the Wings need. This. WiiM is pretty meh at best most of the time. But I'd be stoked with liljegren at 9. Still hoping a center drops a little but I'd take him. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted April 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Shaman said: This team needs centers much more than D or Ws. They literally have nothing outside of the NHL that resembles a C prospect. Ya, what Dickie said. We have Larkin, and AA as center depth and should at least be our future 2nd and 3rd line centers. Who do you see on D with higher upside then these two? We have some unknown's in Dennis Cholowski and Vili Saarijarvi, and Robbie Russo and Joe Hicketts could be ok, but I dont think they have a higher upside then Larkin and AA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted April 30, 2017 6 hours ago, DickieDunn said: Players outside the top 2 or 3 rarely contribute much immediately. This sin't the NFL where they come in after playing 3 or 4 years of college ball. These are 18 and 19 year old kids who need to get stronger and work on their game before they're close to NHL ready. Yes I'm aware. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BringBack19 110 Report post Posted May 1, 2017 22 hours ago, kliq said: Ya, what Dickie said. We have Larkin, and AA as center depth and should at least be our future 2nd and 3rd line centers. Who do you see on D with higher upside then these two? We have some unknown's in Dennis Cholowski and Vili Saarijarvi, and Robbie Russo and Joe Hicketts could be ok, but I dont think they have a higher upside then Larkin and AA. Hronek looks like he may be a good one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted May 1, 2017 37 minutes ago, BringBack19 said: Hronek looks like he may be a good one. I hope so, if he does pan out with Chowolski it makes that Arizona trade seem ALOT better. So hard to tell with D though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted May 1, 2017 1 hour ago, BringBack19 said: Hronek looks like he may be a good one. I love Hronek and Saarijarvi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted May 1, 2017 48 minutes ago, Dabura said: I love Hronek and Saarijarvi. That's the tough thing with D, with guys like Hronek, Saarijarvi and Chowolski we could have three top 4 D-men OR three busts, its so hard to tell this early. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anthonyn66 89 Report post Posted May 1, 2017 9 looking like a lucky pick, hopefully I didn't jinx it. Even in the awful 2012 draft it was a good pick. When it comes to immediate impact, only players that come to mind being drafted after 9 are Chychrun, Pastrnak, and Fowler. Come to think of it the Fowler situation is the dream situation for us. That year, Anaheim missed out on a playoff spot, Fowler (incredibly) dropped 7-8 spots for them to draft, and Anaheim gets back in the playoffs with his help. Wings miss out on a playoff spot, Liljegren drops to the Wings draft position, and we make the playoffs as he's slotted into a 3/4 spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted May 2, 2017 On 4/30/2017 at 2:55 PM, kliq said: Ya, what Dickie said. We have Larkin, and AA as center depth and should at least be our future 2nd and 3rd line centers. Who do you see on D with higher upside then these two? We have some unknown's in Dennis Cholowski and Vili Saarijarvi, and Robbie Russo and Joe Hicketts could be ok, but I dont think they have a higher upside then Larkin and AA. AA hasn't played significant time as a center in a few years. He was never a very good center in the CHL, because he isn't very good defensively and doesn't distribute the puck at all. He was moved to wing and has pretty much stayed there since. AA is not a center prospect, he is a winger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted May 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Shaman said: AA hasn't played significant time as a center in a few years. He was never a very good center in the CHL, because he isn't very good defensively and doesn't distribute the puck at all. He was moved to wing and has pretty much stayed there since. AA is not a center prospect, he is a winger. Cant agree or disagree with that, I didnt watch him enough in the OHL to assess that, but based on the fact he had success in the OHL, I find that hard to believe. Either way, I'm not saying 1st or 2nd line center, I'm saying he would be a very good 3rd line center. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted May 2, 2017 (edited) 19 minutes ago, kliq said: Cant agree or disagree with that, I didnt watch him enough in the OHL to assess that, but based on the fact he had success in the OHL, I find that hard to believe. Either way, I'm not saying 1st or 2nd line center, I'm saying he would be a very good 3rd line center. He's not a good center. His skill set doesn't work well with being a center. As for the OHL he was listed as a center but he played left wing for the colts: http://barriecolts.com/colts-andreas-athanasiou-assigned-to-grand-rapids Edited May 2, 2017 by Shaman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted May 2, 2017 38 minutes ago, Shaman said: He's not a good center. His skill set doesn't work well with being a center. As for the OHL he was listed as a center but he played left wing for the colts: http://barriecolts.com/colts-andreas-athanasiou-assigned-to-grand-rapids It doesn't say anything about him being a bad Center in that article, or about him playing center, Like I said, I didnt watch him play enough in junior to have a strong opinion either way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites