Dallas gets Ben Bishop...

[chaps80 1,591]

The Wings don't need Bishop. He's a UFA who will demand big money. Two goalies already eat $10 million of cap, and goaltending isn't a problem area. Get them some real D and all will be good. 

Good on Nill realizing their big money tandem was s*** though. Now he can protect Bishop and leave Lehtonen and Noemi exposed and hope Vegas takes one. They may go for Lehtonen. Then he can trade or buy out Niemi. That's if Bishop wants to sign with Dallas. If he bolts July 1, Nill may have a mess on his hands. especially if Lehtonen is claimed. 

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9 hours ago, chaps80 said:

The Wings don't need Bishop. He's a UFA who will demand big money. Two goalies already eat $10 million of cap, and goaltending isn't a problem area. Get them some real D and all will be good. 

Good on Nill realizing their big money tandem was s*** though. Now he can protect Bishop and leave Lehtonen and Noemi exposed and hope Vegas takes one. They may go for Lehtonen. Then he can trade or buy out Niemi. That's if Bishop wants to sign with Dallas. If he bolts July 1, Nill may have a mess on his hands. especially if Lehtonen is claimed. 

That's what I was wondering the trade was for the RIGHTS to discuss contract not that he is sealed and dealed to Dallas.  If things go badly at the contract table Big Ben would be a free agent. 

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3 hours ago, AtlantaHotWings said:

That's what I was wondering the trade was for the RIGHTS to discuss contract not that he is sealed and dealed to Dallas.  If things go badly at the contract table Big Ben would be a free agent. 

Yup. And big ben looks like he wants a big contract with big term. He's been traded around a lot, so I'm guessing he's going to go to any team that will offer that stability. Dallas is going to have to pony up, for ANOTHER goalie lol.

Also, with the Duckies advancing, that pick in the Eaves trade becomes a first rounder. Wew lads, Nill got a 1st for Eaves, Ken Holland on suicide watch.

Obligatory Eaves beard pic

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17 hours ago, DickieDunn said:

Howard doesn't want to move, he lists the teams that need a goalie as his won't go there teams. Pretty big obstacle.

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Mrazek's problem is mental.

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Of course Howard doesn't want to move to help out the team that gave him a big contract he hasn't earned and who he hasn't taken past the second round even once. Five playoff games played since 2014 out of a possible 17. Needs to stop worrying about staying put and fighting to start a portion of the games for the Wings next season in a rebuild and go somewhere he def will start all the games he can be healthy for, like Winnipeg or Calgary, who is actually a playoff team. At 33, you think he'd want the chance to join a team a lot closer to a Cup. Goalies are weird though... 

I agree Mrazek's problem is mental, and I honestly think moving Howard would help him hit that next level. It shouldn't bother him, but goalies are weird, like I said, and some don't like being on a team with another starting goalie, like Cujo with Hasek. Leads to problems.

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2 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Yup. And big ben looks like he wants a big contract with big term. He's been traded around a lot, so I'm guessing he's going to go to any team that will offer that stability. Dallas is going to have to pony up, for ANOTHER goalie lol.

Also, with the Duckies advancing, that pick in the Eaves trade becomes a first rounder. Wew lads, Nill got a 1st for Eaves, Ken Holland on suicide watch.

Obligatory Eaves beard pic

Ya, Bishop is now on his 6th team, but he was in Tampa for a good stretch. Would have been re-signed too had Vas not been waiting to take his place. The Tampa-LA thing was just Yzerman getting something while he still could, and the LA-Dallas move was the same with them protecting Quick. Hard to count those two unless he signs in Dallas, but he has been moved quite a bit for a top goalie. He's only been a top goalie on Tampa though. Watch him sign a huge deal with Dallas and flop. Lol

[LeftWinger 5,153]

Ben bishop and now two 1st round draft picks. Holland's gonna draft Pettersson and Nill will get Tippett and Hague. That'll be my rotten luck...

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

36 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

Of course Howard doesn't want to move to help out the team that gave him a big contract he hasn't earned and who he hasn't taken past the second round even once. Five playoff games played since 2014 out of a possible 17. Needs to stop worrying about staying put and fighting to start a portion of the games for the Wings next season in a rebuild and go somewhere he def will start all the games he can be healthy for, like Winnipeg or Calgary, who is actually a playoff team. At 33, you think he'd want the chance to join a team a lot closer to a Cup. Goalies are weird though... 

I agree Mrazek's problem is mental, and I honestly think moving Howard would help him hit that next level. It shouldn't bother him, but goalies are weird, like I said, and some don't like being on a team with another starting goalie, like Cujo with Hasek. Leads to problems.

Hit the next level? He's 33 this is as good as he's gonna get .... Mrazek is 8 Yrs younger with a high upside , we need to desperatly  improve our defense

 

i just hope if we trade Howard holland isnt stupid enough to go sign another nielsen type player

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  Howard/Coreau 2018  

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So my question is what (realistically) is Howard worth to Calgary, Winnipeg, Nucks, etc.?

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

35 minutes ago, Keep Your Stick On the Ice said:

So my question is what (realistically) is Howard worth to Calgary, Winnipeg, Nucks, etc.?

Personally i think hed be a perfect fit with the jets cause they have helabucyk who's 23 and Howard's signed for 2 yrs so that's enough time to let him develop and not rush 

 

if we can retain 2 million per for a 3rd and roslovic , maybe throw in a glendening/depth dman id love it

 

realistically if we retain 2 mill per for a 2nd or 3rd we just do it , id just hope because we'd save 3-4 million we don't sign vanek 4 mill x 4 yrs .... Just because we got cap space doesn't mean we need to use it now

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I dont want to retain 2mil. If we retain 2 mil, then sign a backup for 1-2 mil, all we are really saving is 1.3mil in cap space, whats the point. I would prefer to just trade him for peanuts to get rid of the cap hit all together. Now if the other team wants us to retain cap for future assets, that is a different story.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

Howard had a FANTASTIC season outside of the injury. And he's doing STUPENDOUS at the worlds. His value is going up UP UP

Mrazek had a TERRIBLE season in front of the same D. And he's got attitude problems. His value is going down down down  

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

4 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Howard had a FANTASTIC season outside of the injury. And he's doing STUPENDOUS at the worlds. His value is going up UP UP

Mrazek had a TERRIBLE season in front of the same D. And he's got attitude problems. His value is going down down down  

So why trade the stock that's down? Don't forget Howard only played like 20 games due to injuries , no way he would of kept that up for 35-40 more games , and as for the u.s they played teams like Italy ... Come on 

 

now is the time to dump howard , he's inching closer to the mid 30s and were a team with youth coming , Mrazek is the future ... I still very much believe in him , if he's not it's sure as s*** not howard 

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2 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

So why trade the stock that's down? Don't forget Howard only played like 20 games due to injuries , no way he would of kept that up for 35-40 more games , and as for the u.s they played teams like Italy ... Come on 

 

now is the time to dump howard , he's inching closer to the mid 30s and were a team with youth coming , Mrazek is the future ... I still very much believe in him , if he's not it's sure as s*** not howard 

Howard played 26 games, and looked like a top 10 goalie in all of them. Mrazek couldn't even string together a handful of decent games this year, despite every opportunity to.

Yeah I bet you think Sheahan is the future of this team too 

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18 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Howard played 26 games, and looked like a top 10 goalie in all of them. Mrazek couldn't even string together a handful of decent games this year, despite every opportunity to.

Yeah I bet you think Sheahan is the future of this team too 

Pretty sure he had a few stinkers out of 26 games , regardless  no way he would have kept it going for another 35-40 games , he's proven countless times in the past he's unable to carry this team in the playoffs and he's not about to get s*** done at 33-35

 

as for sheahan , laugh all you want  but If we don't protect him for the Vegas draft we should trade him as we had teams with interest in him and can probably land a 2nd

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7 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Pretty sure he had a few stinkers out of 26 games , regardless  no way he would have kept it going for another 35-40 games , he's proven countless times in the past he's unable to carry this team in the playoffs and he's not about to get s*** done at 33-35

 

as for sheahan , laugh all you want  but If we don't protect him for the Vegas draft we should trade him as we had teams with interest in him and can probably land a 2nd

Hopefully we can get a 2nd for Mrazek too

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53 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

as for sheahan , laugh all you want  but If we don't protect him for the Vegas draft we should trade him as we had teams with interest in him and can probably land a 2nd

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Sheahan for a 2nd?

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http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/flames-have-other-options-in-goal-after-missing-out-on-bishop

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1 hour ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Pretty sure he had a few stinkers out of 26 games , regardless  no way he would have kept it going for another 35-40 games , he's proven countless times in the past he's unable to carry this team in the playoffs and he's not about to get s*** done at 33-35

 

as for sheahan , laugh all you want  but If we don't protect him for the Vegas draft we should trade him as we had teams with interest in him and can probably land a 2nd

I disagree with this, I think Jimmy is a very underrated goaltender. His issue is his inability to stay healthy, not lack of skill when healthy.

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1 hour ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Hopefully we can get a 2nd for Mrazek too

Yup 

 

makes sense to get rid of the guy who's 8 years younger to keep a guy who's aging and been a dissapointment besides a 20 game stretch 

Im with ya 

49 minutes ago, Keep Your Stick On the Ice said:

Sheahan for a 2nd?

Pretty sure we can , leafs were really high on him but not for a first which we demanded .... If we can get a 2nd for him but decide to risk him on waivers it would be a dumb move

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

40 minutes ago, Keep Your Stick On the Ice said:

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/flames-have-other-options-in-goal-after-missing-out-on-bishop

Think after fleury , with bishop gone Howard would be the best option ... The way fleurys been on a roll and MurraY's injury problems maybe pens try and keep both, it would only benefit us 

24 minutes ago, kliq said:

I disagree with this, I think Jimmy is a very underrated goaltender. His issue is his inability to stay healthy, not lack of skill when healthy.

Inability to stay healthy his whole career? He's a good goalie but he's nothing special ... Dime a dozen

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38 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Think after fleury , with bishop gone Howard would be the best option ... The way fleurys been on a roll and MurraY's injury problems maybe pens try and keep both, it would only benefit us 

Inability to stay healthy his whole career? He's a good goalie but he's nothing special ... Dime a dozen

I get this is likely a rhetorical question you are asking, but I never said injuries were not an issue, that was my point. When healthy Jimmy is a very good goalie, calling him a dime a dozen when healthy is just ignorant. Calling him injury prone, different story. 

45 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Pretty sure we can , leafs were really high on him but not for a first which we demanded .... If we can get a 2nd for him but decide to risk him on waivers it would be a dumb move

Source? I remember their were rumors that we could get a first for him, but I dont remember reading that we demanded a first. Who reported that? If true that is interesting.

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38 minutes ago, kliq said:

I get this is likely a rhetorical question you are asking, but I never said injuries were not an issue, that was my point. When healthy Jimmy is a very good goalie, calling him a dime a dozen when healthy is just ignorant. Calling him injury prone, different story. 

Source? I remember their were rumors that we could get a first for him, but I dont remember reading that we demanded a first. Who reported that? If true that is interesting.

 I Guess I'm ignorant, don't think he's done anything to warrant being called a very good goalie , was he good this  year?yes but it was only a 26 game season , he's always underachieved 

 

 

as for sheahan , it was a while ago , maybe demanded was the wrong phrase ?i just did a quick search and found the link underneath ... I know if lazar got a 2nd sheahan would as well 

http://editorinleaf.com/2017/02/26/toronto-maple-leafs-rumors-sheahan/

[chaps80 1,591]

7 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Hit the next level? He's 33 this is as good as he's gonna get .... Mrazek is 8 Yrs younger with a high upside , we need to desperatly  improve our defense

 

i just hope if we trade Howard holland isnt stupid enough to go sign another nielsen type player

I meant for Mrazek to hit the next level. Lol Howard is what he is.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Matej can do as well. I think he can challenge and maybe pass Coreau on the depth chart and for the starting job in GR.

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4 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

 I Guess I'm ignorant, don't think he's done anything to warrant being called a very good goalie , was he good this  year?yes but it was only a 26 game season , he's always underachieved 

Look up Howard's stats when he is healthy, its the same thing almost every year. He plays well, gets hurt, struggles upon return, plays well again. If he didn't get hurt, his stats would be up there with the top of the league. With that being said, he always gets hurt, hence the reason he should not be our #1 goalie. If Howard got paid 2mil per year, I would love to have him as our backup.

Your statement of saying he underachieves pretty much solidifies my point, so I agree with you. If he was a "dime a dozen" goalie, he wouldn't be underachieving, he would be playing at the level he should be playing at. Like I said, Howard is a very good goalie who has unfortunately had injuries derail his career year after year. He's not elite, but he is very good.