Rumors Thread

[88Kaner 33]

The kid has a lot of tenacity that's for sure. I like Kips comparison to Kessler I think he'll be a more productive Kess he's got all the tools and the league is more open than it was during the Kess era. Plus as of now there is no Getzlaf on this team that he'd have to play behind. I think his ceiling is a number one center for sure.

[Troy McClure 347]

Marco Bertuzzi

[diehardredwingsfan58 164]

4 hours ago, Motor City Mullets said:

Minus the point production 

He's only 11 points shy of Bertuzzi in his first full season in Grand Rapids, And there's still a lot of hockey to be played yet.

Edited January 24, 2024 by diehardredwingsfan58

[mackel 766]

At or before the deadline...

What would it cost to re-sign Sprong? 

What could we get for Reimer and Ghost?

 

 

[Axl Foley 334]

5 hours ago, mackel said:

At or before the deadline...

What would it cost to re-sign Sprong? 

What could we get for Reimer and Ghost?

 

 

Sprong is going to double his salary. He is on pace to break 50 points and he isnt even playing top 6 minutes. I could see him get 4 or more on the open market.

Reimer wouldn't get much. Maybe a 4th or 5th.

Ghost I would say a 2nd. Maybe more.

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

5 hours ago, mackel said:

At or before the deadline...

What would it cost to re-sign Sprong? 

What could we get for Reimer and Ghost?

 

 

Sprong is on pace to do exactly what he did last year in Seattle. With a few more apples. Which earned him 2 x 1 this year from Yguy.

I love the guy but considering no coach trusts him defensively enough to play him in the top six, he might get 2.5 x 2 maybe 3 x 2.

Edited January 27, 2024 by The 91 of Ryans

[Dabura 12,232]

38 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Sprong is on pace to do exactly what he did last year in Seattle. With a few more apples. Which earned him 2 x 1 this year from Yguy.

I love the guy but considering no coach trusts him defensively enough to play him in the top six, he might get 2.5 x 2 maybe 3 x 2.

To be fair, last season was the first time he'd topped 20 points, so repeatability was probably the big limiting factor on his contract for this season. He had to prove that last season wasn't just a one-off. Now that he's done so, I wouldn't be surprised to see him get a pretty decent deal.

[kipwinger 8,759]

Given how much he's already bounced around in his young career I wouldn't be surprised to see Sprong value stability and term over AAV.

[Troy McClure 347]

4 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Sprong is on pace to do exactly what he did last year in Seattle. With a few more apples. Which earned him 2 x 1 this year from Yguy.

I love the guy but considering no coach trusts him defensively enough to play him in the top six, he might get 2.5 x 2 maybe 3 x 2.

 

3 hours ago, Dabura said:

To be fair, last season was the first time he'd topped 20 points, so repeatability was probably the big limiting factor on his contract for this season. He had to prove that last season wasn't just a one-off. Now that he's done so, I wouldn't be surprised to see him get a pretty decent deal.

 

3 hours ago, kipwinger said:

Given how much he's already bounced around in his young career I wouldn't be surprised to see Sprong value stability and term over AAV.

 

Good points, but I'm much more with Dabura on this one. Sprong is gone.

And I wouldn't be surprised if he's hot commodity on the UFA market this summer.

I remember in his draft year he was one of those picks that was like "you could get him in the 2nd, and there's a chance he could turn out to be one of the best players in the draft." So, as I've mentioned this before, I kinda kept an eye on him. Then when the Penguins ended up trading him after early disappointments I lost all faith. I remember thinking, ah another Jurco fake good player.

And honestly that wasn't that wrong of an assessment back then. He was BAD for the Pens, Ducks, and Caps for multiple years. But Ron Francis saw something I and multiple teams didn;t see....

Last year he had his coming out party with Seattle. I watched more than a few of those games, and I was surprised to see him finally performing, and honestly thought he would go get overpaid by someone after the year. He was good. So I was extra surprised when SY was able to sign him for so cheap.

I agree with Dabura that most GMs probably viewed him as a player who struggled for years, and then had a flash in the pan season with Seattle. But he's proved now with us that i's not flash in the pan. I love the way he played for Seattle and I love how he has played with us. He's become a late blooming legitimate middle 6 scorer.

If he has any brain in his head (he hasn't made a lot of money in the NHL so far) he will reject every offer SY makes and go to the free market to get his payday. There's no way Sprong is on this team next season. 

 

[Dabura 12,232]

5 hours ago, Troy McClure said:

Good points, but I'm much more with Dabura on this one. Sprong is gone.

And I wouldn't be surprised if he's hot commodity on the UFA market this summer.

I remember in his draft year he was one of those picks that was like "you could get him in the 2nd, and there's a chance he could turn out to be one of the best players in the draft." So, as I've mentioned this before, I kinda kept an eye on him. Then when the Penguins ended up trading him after early disappointments I lost all faith. I remember thinking, ah another Jurco fake good player.

And honestly that wasn't that wrong of an assessment back then. He was BAD for the Pens, Ducks, and Caps for multiple years. But Ron Francis saw something I and multiple teams didn;t see....

Last year he had his coming out party with Seattle. I watched more than a few of those games, and I was surprised to see him finally performing, and honestly thought he would go get overpaid by someone after the year. He was good. So I was extra surprised when SY was able to sign him for so cheap.

I agree with Dabura that most GMs probably viewed him as a player who struggled for years, and then had a flash in the pan season with Seattle. But he's proved now with us that i's not flash in the pan. I love the way he played for Seattle and I love how he has played with us. He's become a late blooming legitimate middle 6 scorer.

If he has any brain in his head (he hasn't made a lot of money in the NHL so far) he will reject every offer SY makes and go to the free market to get his payday. There's no way Sprong is on this team next season.

Well, when I say "pretty decent deal," I don't mean it's necessarily gonna be prohibitively pricey/lengthy for us. Just that it's gonna be, well, a raise. We've seen Yzermanager throw bags of money at veteran UFAs the past two summers, so I wouldn't rule out Sprong returning.

[Axl Foley 334]

22 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Sprong is on pace to do exactly what he did last year in Seattle. With a few more apples. Which earned him 2 x 1 this year from Yguy.

I love the guy but considering no coach trusts him defensively enough to play him in the top six, he might get 2.5 x 2 maybe 3 x 2.

That was a one year show me deal. He aint getting another one. He has proven to be a legit 50 point middle 6 winger. You dont get those guys for 2 or even 3 mil.

11 hours ago, Dabura said:

Well, when I say "pretty decent deal," I don't mean it's necessarily gonna be prohibitively pricey/lengthy for us. Just that it's gonna be, well, a raise. We've seen Yzermanager throw bags of money at veteran UFAs the past two summers, so I wouldn't rule out Sprong returning.

Sprong is 26. It's time for him to get a longer term deal. I don't think his AAV would necessarily be prohibitive, but I wouldnt want to sign him to more than 3 or 4 years.

Also he didnt have 4 major RFAs to re-sign the last 2 summers.

Edited January 28, 2024 by Axl Foley

[Dabura 12,232]

1 hour ago, Axl Foley said:

Sprong is 26. It's time for him to get a longer term deal. I don't think his AAV would necessarily be prohibitive, but I wouldnt want to sign him to more than 3 or 4 years.

Also he didnt have 4 major RFAs to re-sign the last 2 summers.

Yeah, it's almost certainly gonna come down to term.

And you're right about the RFA situation.

We shall see.

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

1 hour ago, Axl Foley said:

That was a one year show me deal. He aint getting another one. He has proven to be a legit 50 point middle 6 winger. You dont get those guys for 2 or even 3 mil.

Sprong has never had 50 pts ever = PROVEN 50pt M6 winger

You RA proven dipschidt

[kipwinger 8,759]

Tomas Tatar is a pretty good comparable for Sprong in terms of what Sprong brings RIGHT NOW. He's a 20 goal, 40ish point winger with great possession metrics who can play up and down the lineup. Obviously Tatar did it much more consistently than Sprong has. After scoring at that rate for three seasons in a row (four if you count his 19 goals in 73 games as a rookie) he landed a 5.3 mil x 4 year deal at about the same age Sprong is now.

Because the cap has been flat for quite a long while, and because he doesn't have the track record Tatar did, I'm going to guess Sprong falls short of that. 4.5million x 3 years (on the open market) is a guess I can get behind. Someone who needs scoring will give it to him, and I think it's likely that team won't be Detroit unless we clear someone like Fabbri or Copp off the books.

My hope is that he'll value stability after bouncing around so much and take a little less for more term. 3.5 million by 4 years and some goal scoring bonuses might entice him.

Edited January 28, 2024 by kipwinger

[Axl Foley 334]

On 1/27/2024 at 11:05 PM, The 91 of Ryans said:

Sprong has never had 50 pts ever = PROVEN 50pt M6 winger

You RA proven dipschidt

If we are being technical, okay. He put up 46 in 66 games last year. That would put him past 50 if he played the whole season.

And he is on pace to break 50 this season if he stays healthy.

If we are talking about hypotheticals pertaining to this coming off season, then he would be looked at as a 50 point, RH, middle 6 forward by GMs. And he would get paid accordingly. Which is a multi-year deal at a significant pay raise. I would not be surprised to see at least one GM throw a ludicrous contract at him.

Edited January 29, 2024 by Axl Foley

[Troy McClure 347]

Let Sprong and Kane go, use the money to insert all of Stamkos's Mankos into the hole in our lineup

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

There's a rumor floating around that Stevie is in talks for Guentzel.  Edvinsson was the ask, but Steve countered with Johansson.  Pittsburgh will probably get more, I suspect.

[kipwinger 8,759]

14 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

There's a rumor floating around that Stevie is in talks for Guentzel.  Edvinsson was the ask, but Steve countered with Johansson.  Pittsburgh will probably get more, I suspect.

source?

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

7 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

source?

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/pittsburgh-penguins/latest-news/pittsburgh-penguins-predicted-trade-jake-guentzel

[kipwinger 8,759]

You're better than this.

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

Just now, kipwinger said:

You're better than this.

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[town123 235]

Just don't trade these two SY.

 

 

[mackel 766]

6 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

?

No mention of a trade proposal in that article....

I'd do Bergren, Johansson or Willander, plus a 2nd no more.

Edited January 29, 2024 by mackel

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

1 minute ago, mackel said:

No mention of a trade proposal in that article....

That's the rumor part of it.  It's not fact yet.

[LeftWinger 5,149]

11 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/pittsburgh-penguins/latest-news/pittsburgh-penguins-predicted-trade-jake-guentzel

That does not mention Detroit at all.