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6 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Kronwall will retire a Wing. f*** outta here with your heresy. 

I'd have no issue trading Kronwall to a contender at the deadline, but yeah, I agree, Kronwall will retire a Wing. He's not going anywhere, especially Toronto. The Leafs need a youngish, right-handed, puck moving defenseman. Kronwall is none of that...

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28 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

I'd have no issue trading Kronwall to a contender at the deadline, but yeah, I agree, Kronwall will retire a Wing. He's not going anywhere, especially Toronto. The Leafs need a youngish, right-handed, puck moving defenseman. Kronwall is none of that...

The Leafs need a spine. Kronwall is ALL of that. 

(but he won't be going anywhere)

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28 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

The Leafs need a spine. Kronwall is ALL of that. 

(but he won't be going anywhere)

I disagree with you (and Ferraro and O'Neill and whoever else) on this. Teams can and do win on skill alone in today's NHL. People that are saying that the Leafs aren't tough enough to go on a deep playoff run are dumb. If the Leafs get bounced early again (I hope they do), it will be because another team out-skilled them, not because another team out-physicalled them...

I also disagree that Kronwall is the right player if you want to add toughness or "a spine". He lays a big hit once in a blue moon, and isn't overly physical anymore. His body just won't allow it. It's not like he's ever going to stick up for a teammate after a big hit, or get in an opponents face after the whistle. 37 (soon to be 38) year old Kronwall is not "tough". Both Zaitsev and Dermott are more physical than Kronner at this point in his career.

If the Leafs want a grizzled vet, maybe Kronwall would be a good option. But I don't think that is what they're looking for, nor should it be. They have Marleau and Hainsey to fill those roles, as well as plenty of other guys with experience. If they truly are looking for "a spine", maybe we can interest them in a Justin Abdelkader or Luke Witkowski... But again, I don't think that's what the Leafs are looking for.

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23 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

I disagree with you (and Ferraro and O'Neill and whoever else) on this. Teams can and do win on skill alone in today's NHL. People that are saying that the Leafs aren't tough enough to go on a deep playoff run are dumb. If the Leafs get bounced early again (I hope they do), it will be because another team out-skilled them, not because another team out-physicalled them...

I also disagree that Kronwall is the right player if you want to add toughness or "a spine". He lays a big hit once in a blue moon, and isn't overly physical anymore. His body just won't allow it. It's not like he's ever going to stick up for a teammate after a big hit, or get in an opponents face after the whistle. 37 (soon to be 38) year old Kronwall is not "tough". Both Zaitsev and Dermott are more physical than Kronner at this point in his career.

If the Leafs want a grizzled vet, maybe Kronwall would be a good option. But I don't think that is what they're looking for, nor should it be. They have Marleau and Hainsey to fill those roles, as well as plenty of other guys with experience. If they truly are looking for "a spine", maybe we can interest them in a Justin Abdelkader or Luke Witkowski... But again, I don't think that's what the Leafs are looking for.

Your equating spine = toughness and that's not what I'm referring too. Also, the f*** with Ferraro and O'Neill!! What did they say? I'm sure it was super intelligent and not at all annoying to listen to. 

I'm just talking spine = character and leadership. The Leafs are made up of a bunch of career losers (except who? Ron Hainsey?) and young guys who have never been there. 

It's classic LGWs mentality to underrate what kind of character and leadership a guy like Kronwall could bring to that dressing room. 

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17 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Your equating spine = toughness and that's not what I'm referring too. Also, the f*** with Ferraro and O'Neill!! What did they say? I'm sure it was super intelligent and not at all annoying to listen to. 

I'm just talking spine = character and leadership. The Leafs are made up of a bunch of career losers (except who? Ron Hainsey?) and young guys who have never been there. 

It's classic LGWs mentality to underrate what kind of character and leadership a guy like Kronwall could bring to that dressing room. 

I don't doubt Kronwall could bring "character and leadership" to the Leafs dressing room. I do doubt 38 year old Kronwall is the player that gets them over the hump...

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15 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

I don't doubt Kronwall could bring "character and leadership" to the Leafs dressing room. I do doubt 38 year old Kronwall is the player that gets them over the hump...

Agreed. That team has 4 star forwards. One could argue that 3 of them are superstars. It's ridiculous to think they need anything to get them over the hump. They have to get themselves over the hump. But a guy like Kronwall would provide the calming influence and experience to help them get there. 

ANYWAY, this is all just talk. Ain't happening. 

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