Trade deadline bait available this year?

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

4 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

It isn't the fact that AA isn't scoring. It's the fact that he brings literally nothing else to the table. Vanek put up lots of points his first season in Detroit. Guess what he fetched? A third rounder. Turns out one-dimensional wingers aren't worth much. Glendening is a more important part of this team than AA is.   

Lmao vanek? This is what its come to, your bring vanek into this? AA is way younger than vanek when he was here both times and i dont recall him ever being a 30 goal guy 

anyways like i said you’d trade AA for Puljujarvi...cool beans

[derblaueClaus 1,668]

2 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Larkin, Mantha, Zadina, Veleno, Bert, Moose, and potentially another high end F in the draft makes AA as expendable as a 3rd nipple.

Trading him for Pool Party makes perfect sense cuz ur trading a guy who is essentially a one dimensional, 3rd line winger at that point for another guy who is: 

A. 4 years younger

B. Still has the potential to be a solid, 2 way, top 6 F.

C. Right handed

D. Will still be at worst a 3W anyway.

So basically, at worst, you're getting the same level of player back, but with the potential to be even better.

Seems like a no brainer to me.

That's the assumption. He isn't at the moment. And I'd rather trade AA for someone who isn't a winger or a pick. Otherwise you trade one 3rd nipple for another, potentially worse 3rd nipple.

 

8 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

AA is what he is at this point. Those who think AA is worth a king's ransom are gonna be very disappointed. Let him go to Edmonton where he will thrive on a team that doesn't need to play defense.  

I'm not arguing that he will bring a king's ransom. But to trade a Winger for a maybe better or slightly worse Winger, while we already have a logjam of those isn't my preferred option. It's simply an unnecessary risk. We have other positions that we need to strengthen.

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1 minute ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Lmao vanek? This is what its come to, your bring vanek into this? AA is way younger than vanek when he was here both times and i dont recall him ever being a 30 goal guy 

anyways like i said you’d trade AA for Puljujarvi...cool beans

Vanek is just another player people like you salivated at getting a first rounder for. The point being made was you overvalue the f*** out of our players. 

[F.Michael 4,590]

5 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

Vanek is just another player people like you salivated at getting a first rounder for. The point being made was you overvalue the f*** out of our players. 

This right here.

This team has little value unless you’re looking to move some core players which might fetch a good return, or it could set us back a few more years worth of a rebuild.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

8 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

Vanek is just another player people like you salivated at getting a first rounder for. The point being made was you overvalue the f*** out of our players. 

Lmao ya whatever you say man, and you seem to undervalue the f*** out of guys  ... one bad year and he’s a bust

and btw i was here saying to trade him after his 30 goal season with zadina etc... coming and got alot of s*** for it so i have no problems dealing him but im not gonna trade him for something i dont believe to be a good enough deal

you dont agree with it , the end

Edited February 3, 2020 by nyqvististhefuture

[krsmith17 7,191]

32 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Maybe he will maybe he wont , i dont give a s*** about player pts in la liiga cause im sure you pop up names with just as good numbers or better who havent worked out in the nhl . I think he can play in the league just not sold on him being a top guy

I doubt you'd find any players that young, drafted that high, putting up those points, that don't translate to the NHL. He's a highly skilled player, that plays a solid two-way game. There's no reason to believe that wouldn't translate to the NHL. At the very least, I think he'll be as valuable as Athanasiou. I think there's a reasonable possibility that he could be much more valuable than Athanasiou...

34 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Why wouldnt AA bounce back in detroit ? 2 seasons prior he was on pace for 22-25 goals , its not that big of a stretch to think he can get 25-30 playing top 2 lines with guys who have actual talent and being flip flipped with the the likes of helm,glendening etc... 

I didn't say he "won't" bounce back. I said he "might not", just like you're saying he "might"...

35 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

you said a year from now he might be off the board cause he might have established himself on another team ... i just said good on him and if he was available a year from now after being on another team id have zero interest . If hes dealt to another team and becomes a 3rd line guy good on him , i wont lose any sleep over not landing him

If he's "off the board", that usually means the team isn't interested in trading him (not available), because he has established himself as a legit top six winger...

You're set on him becoming a 3rd line guy, and I have no idea why... Because you "think" you "might" have heard some TSN guy mention it a few months ago?...

This seems eerily similar to the Gusev debate we had a few months back. For whatever reason, you think any player playing in Europe, no matter how skilled, won't translate to the NHL. Gusev was 26, and you didn't think he was worth a 2nd round pick. He's already proven that he's a legit top six winger. Puljujarvi is 21, and you don't think he's worth a streaky, middle six winger. He too will prove to be a legit top six winger. I just hope we're the beneficiary of Edmonton (hopefully) selling low on him...

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44 minutes ago, derblaueClaus said:

That's the assumption. He isn't at the moment. And I'd rather trade AA for someone who isn't a winger or a pick. Otherwise you trade one 3rd nipple for another, potentially worse 3rd nipple.

I'm not arguing that he will bring a king's ransom. But to trade a Winger for a maybe better or slightly worse Winger, while we already have a logjam of those isn't my preferred option. It's simply an unnecessary risk. We have other positions that we need to strengthen.

We have a lot of high-end wingers, but we have zero high-end right-handed wingers. That's an area we desperately need to address. Trading for Puljujarvi would be a great way to address that. I also think Puljujarvi's ceiling is much higher than Athanasiou's. That's why I'd personally make the trade.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

Agree with pretty much everyone's points on Batteries and Poolparty

I think it really just comes down to if you are willing to accept the risk on Poolparty, or would you rather stick with the sure thing in AA.

Personally, I'd do Poolparty for AA 1 for 1. If we can get a pick out of Holland with that all the better.

I've never liked the way AA plays the game. He was experimented with at C, which is supposedly his natural position, but I think the defense is lacking to the point where the Wings gave up on that experiment relatively quickly. He's extremely talented offensively, but he is seemingly limited to take it to the net all on his own every play. IMO that's a pretty unique skill set, but its one ideally utilized on a 3rd or 4th checking line. You play him with your PKers because he will randomly get you a bunch of goals all on his own with out needing these players help. If we were a cup team needing to add depth scoring he would be awesome, but we're still trying to build out a core. AA is also gonna be 26 in August, and I think we're dangerously close to what you see is what you get with this player. A 40-60 pt guy. That's good value, but not a needle mover.

Poolparty has had limited success in the NHL his first few years, but the potential to become a needle mover is still there for him. He's playing very well in the Liiga and will be 22 soon. He still has about 3 seasons to really develop his game. If he only ever amounts to a 30 pt winger that would suck, but I think giving up AA is well worth the risk still.

If you believe translation factors at all, Poolparty would be on pace for 36 NHL pts this season. Not that impressive, but decent for a 21 year old.

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48 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Lmao ya whatever you say man, and you seem to undervalue the f*** out of guys  ... one bad year and he’s a bust

and btw i was here saying to trade him after his 30 goal season with zadina etc... coming and got alot of s*** for it so i have no problems dealing him but im not gonna trade him for something i dont believe to be a good enough deal

you dont agree with it , the end

I didn;t say AA is a bust. I'm saying he has no future with Detroit. I've actively said he'd fit in well with Edmonton. He just doesn;t play the type of hockey Detroit needs. Puljujarvi does. I'd have traded AA last year too. 

Also, if you're as done with the debate as you say you are, you could simply stop responding. 

1 hour ago, LeftWinger said:

AA is a 30 goal scorer, he's had a tough year, both on the ice and injury wise.  Prior year's have proven he is very dynamic and there's no reason not to believe, given the right situation (like maybe play with McDavid) that he won't be a 30 goal scorer again and again.  Puljujarvi or not, I'm getting either a 1st or a high prospect along with him.  Who's to say Pulj wouldn't give us the same problems playing here? I'd trade AA straight up and ask for Bouchard, if Holland wanted to deal more, I'd ask for a 3rd and thrown in Svech or Lindstrom. To me Pulj just seems like a problem child. He should be a throw in in any trade package just because of his uncertainty.  If Holland wants AA, then I am getting the value in return, because there may be more than one team asking about AA in a couple of weeks, I'm asking high and accepting the highest value....or I am just keeping him and letting him attempt to flourish under a new coaching staff and the possibility of  playing with whomever we get at 1,2,3 or 4...if we draft center.

I just question whether he'd give us the same problems as he is giving Edmonton.  Is it just a money issue or is it the team? Maybe he wants to NOT play on a bottom team, that would eliminate us all together.

Nobody is saying there would be no risk to the trade. But that's the trade-off for acquiring a prospect with such a high ceiling for a 25 year old middle six winger. My guess is Yzerman wouldn;t pull the trigger on such a trade without talking to Puljujarvi first, to see where his head his at and lay out what his expectations would be in Detroit. 

The Edmonton franchise was a train wreck before Holland cleaned house and brought stability. It's not far fetched to say that Puljujarvi was mismanaged in Edmonton. 

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19 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

I doubt you'd find any players that young, drafted that high, putting up those points, that don't translate to the NHL. He's a highly skilled player, that plays a solid two-way game. There's no reason to believe that wouldn't translate to the NHL. At the very least, I think he'll be as valuable as Athanasiou. I think there's a reasonable possibility that he could be much more valuable than Athanasiou...

I didn't say he "won't" bounce back. I said he "might not", just like you're saying he "might"...

If he's "off the board", that usually means the team isn't interested in trading him (not available), because he has established himself as a legit top six winger...

You're set on him becoming a 3rd line guy, and I have no idea why... Because you "think" you "might" have heard some TSN guy mention it a few months ago?...

This seems eerily similar to the Gusev debate we had a few months back. For whatever reason, you think any player playing in Europe, no matter how skilled, won't translate to the NHL. Gusev was 26, and you didn't think he was worth a 2nd round pick. He's already proven that he's a legit top six winger. Puljujarvi is 21, and you don't think he's worth a streaky, middle six winger. He too will prove to be a legit top six winger. I just hope we're the beneficiary of Edmonton (hopefully) selling low on him...

Well from what i know lehkonen and armia had good numbers too , granlund , didnt pulkkinen as well? Anyways point is just cause he had a good season as a kid doesnt mean he’ll translate into a top 6 guy. I think Is a top 6 guy , just not on this team with the players we have coming 

Anyways AA is coming back and as much as i hate zadina getting injured this is a good opportunity for AA and us , if we’re smart we stick him with larkin and bertuzzi and if he starts going nuts the next 3-4 weeks it will only boost up his value and if we hang on to him till the rest of the season and he produces only benefits us in the summer . He’s got a chance to things around as long as our stupid coach doesnt stick him on a 3rd line with helm and nielsen

 

Im not getting into the gusev s*** again

6 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

I didn;t say AA is a bust. I'm saying he has no future with Detroit. I've actively said he'd fit in well with Edmonton. He just doesn;t play the type of hockey Detroit needs. Puljujarvi does. I'd have traded AA last year too. 

Also, if you're as done with the debate as you say you are, you could simply stop responding. 

And u agree he has no future in detroit with everyone coming but im not in a hurry to deal him , we can afford to keep him another season 

Well your replying back  anyways we know where we both stand  

[marcaractac 3,963]

14 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Agree with pretty much everyone's points on Batteries and Poolparty

I think it really just comes down to if you are willing to accept the risk on Poolparty, or would you rather stick with the sure thing in AA.

Personally, I'd do Poolparty for AA 1 for 1. If we can get a pick out of Holland with that all the better.

I've never liked the way AA plays the game. He was experimented with at C, which is supposedly his natural position, but I think the defense is lacking to the point where the Wings gave up on that experiment relatively quickly. He's extremely talented offensively, but he is seemingly limited to take it to the net all on his own every play. IMO that's a pretty unique skill set, but its one ideally utilized on a 3rd or 4th checking line. You play him with your PKers because he will randomly get you a bunch of goals all on his own with out needing these players help. If we were a cup team needing to add depth scoring he would be awesome, but we're still trying to build out a core. AA is also gonna be 26 in August, and I think we're dangerously close to what you see is what you get with this player. A 40-60 pt guy. That's good value, but not a needle mover.

Poolparty has had limited success in the NHL his first few years, but the potential to become a needle mover is still there for him. He's playing very well in the Liiga and will be 22 soon. He still has about 3 seasons to really develop his game. If he only ever amounts to a 30 pt winger that would suck, but I think giving up AA is well worth the risk still.

If you believe translation factors at all, Poolparty would be on pace for 36 NHL pts this season. Not that impressive, but decent for a 21 year old.

Gotta agree with all of this. His unique skillset would jive very well with McJesus, based on the fact it's hard for wingers to keep up with his speed. I'll be the first to admit that this trade would have more risk for Detroit than Edmonton. But that's why Detroit would be getting the younger, higher potential player in the deal. Oilers get a player that helps them now. 

Adding a player like Fabrri also offsets a lot of the risk of losing AA if the return for him does not pan out. Fabbri is already a much better player than AA. 

[marcaractac 3,963]

3 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Well from what i know lehkonen and armia had good numbers too , granlund , didnt pulkkinen as well? Anyways point is just cause he had a good season as a kid doesnt mean he’ll translate into a top 6 guy. I think Is a top 6 guy , just not on this team with the players we have coming 

Anyways AA is coming back and as much as i hate zadina getting injured this is a good opportunity for AA and us , if we’re smart we stick him with larkin and bertuzzi and if he starts going nuts the next 3-4 weeks it will only boost up his value and if we hang on to him till the rest of the season and he produces only benefits us in the summer . He’s got a chance to things around as long as our stupid coach doesnt stick him on a 3rd line with helm and nielsen

 

Im not getting into the gusev s*** again

And u agree he has no future in detroit with everyone coming but im not in a hurry to deal him , we can afford to keep him another season 

Well your replying back  anyways we know where we both stand  

Pulkkinen was always a one trick pony with his shot. He never ever had the the tools (outside of his shot) to be an impact player in the NHL. He was a pp specialist at best. But nothing else about his game could keep him in the lineup. In the end, some players pan out, some don't. But when you look at a player with Puljujarvi's size, speed, and two-way game, it's difficult to not take the risk. He has all the tools. 

I too am in no rush to trade AA. In my opinion, an AA/Puljujarvi is more of a summer, and not a deadline trade. That is unless Edmonton really wants to load up for a playoff run and sweetens the pot a little. 

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9 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Well from what i know lehkonen and armia had good numbers too , granlund , didnt pulkkinen as well? Anyways point is just cause he had a good season as a kid doesnt mean he’ll translate into a top 6 guy. I think Is a top 6 guy , just not on this team with the players we have coming 

Those players didn't put up close to the numbers Puljujarvi is putting up, except Granlund, who is a top six forward... And no, Pulkkinen didn't either.

No one is saying that Puljujarvi is guaranteed to become a top six winger. We're saying that the likelihood of him becoming as good or better than Athanasiou, is fairly high. You seem to think he's a lock to be a 3rd line winger, when his ceiling is much higher than that.

17 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Im not getting into the gusev s*** again

I don't blame ya... You were dead wrong there...

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

3 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Those players didn't put up close to the numbers Puljujarvi is putting up, except Granlund, who is a top six forward... And no, Pulkkinen didn't either.

No one is saying that Puljujarvi is guaranteed to become a top six winger. We're saying that the likelihood of him becoming as good or better than Athanasiou, is fairly high. You seem to think he's a lock to be a 3rd line winger, when his ceiling is much higher than that.

I don't blame ya... You were dead wrong there...

30 pts in 45 games for lehkonen in his draft year  , 29 in 48 armia ... granlund is going down since being a pred .... pulkk was the yesr after his draft 

ok his ceiling is higher ... still wouldnt do it

 

Lmao yes i was dead wrong cause the mighty krsmith17 says so ... you should apply to be a wings scout

[krsmith17 7,191]

25 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Lmao yes i was dead wrong cause the mighty krsmith17 says so ... you should apply to be a wings scout

So you're saying you still wouldn't trade a 2nd round pick for Gusev? LOL

[marcaractac 3,963]

1 minute ago, krsmith17 said:

So you're saying you still wouldn't trade a 2nd round pick for Gusev? LOL

He'd give up Fabbri for one though

Edited February 3, 2020 by marcaractac

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

2 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

So you're saying you still wouldn't trade a 2nd round pick for Gusev? LOL

Lmao Your a f***en short sighted little man aren’t ya ... wtf’s the point of having a 40 pt winger this season? Last i checked we’re a rebuilding team ... as predicted at the time we’re at the bottom of the league 

would you rather have a kaliyev in our prospect pipeline over a 27 yr old gusev? Kotchekov? Mcisaac? Berggren? Romanov?brink? And this year is suppose to be the best draft in a very long time 

I knew at the time we’d probably get first dibs in the second round ... we’re a rebuilding team its not that hard to comprehend having gusev on this team would benefit f*** all for us except you wasting more $ on kleenex 

 

5 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

He'd give up Fabbri for one though

Only if we then flip him

[krsmith17 7,191]

7 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Lmao Your a f***en short sighted little man aren’t ya ... wtf’s the point of having a 40 pt winger this season? Last i checked we’re a rebuilding team ... as predicted at the time we’re at the bottom of the league 

would you rather have a kaliyev in our prospect pipeline over a 27 yr old gusev? Kotchekov? Mcisaac? Berggren? Romanov?brink? And this year is suppose to be the best draft in a very long time 

I knew at the time we’d probably get first dibs in the second round ... we’re a rebuilding team its not that hard to comprehend having gusev on this team would benefit f*** all for us except you wasting more $ on kleenex 

Only if we then flip him

"f***en short sighted little man". You're an angry little man aren't you? Gusev is on pace for 52 points this season, not 40... You know who else is a rebuilding team? New Jersey...

Also, marc was saying that you would trade Fabbri for a 2nd round pick. What are you flipping? You know what you could flip? A 27 year old Gusev. New Jersey wisely traded low (2nd round pick) for a player (Gusev) with a ton of potential. They can now flip him at the deadline for a 1st round pick, plus. Crazy concept eh?...

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

23 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

"f***en short sighted little man". You're an angry little man aren't you? Gusev is on pace for 52 points this season, not 40... You know who else is a rebuilding team? New Jersey...

Also, marc was saying that you would trade Fabbri for a 2nd round pick. What are you flipping? You know what you could flip? A 27 year old Gusev. New Jersey wisely traded low (2nd round pick) for a player (Gusev) with a ton of potential. They can now flip him at the deadline for a 1st round pick, plus. Crazy concept eh?...

The f*** out of here man , ya the devils we’re really expectng to not turn s*** around this season ... picked up subban etc... to continue the rebuild ... save your bs , they werent expected to be this bad

Dont know if its just a russian fetish but he’s not as good as you think he is just cause he started getting couple more pts (take away his 2 3 pt games and he has 25 in 46)

Anyways the point still stands we’re a rebuilding franchise , we knew wed be picking 32/33 most likely and giving up a really good young asset for a player of his age who wont do s*** was pointless .... guarantee you gusev wont finish his contract with the devils or signs elsewhere next summer , same s*** would have happened here . You cant see that its not my problem

was a joke, and get over yourself with  devils traded low bulls*** , your out of your mind if you think the devils will land a first lmao ... im not getting into this gusev nonsense again ...a 1st lmao

Edited February 3, 2020 by nyqvististhefuture

[marcaractac 3,963]

1 hour ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Im not getting into the gusev s*** again

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

6 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

Cant predict the bulls*** thats written after i make said that, last thing i want to do is talk about that nonsense

[marcaractac 3,963]

2 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Cant predict the bulls*** thats written after i make said that, last thing i want to do is talk about that nonsense

You could just choose to ignore it like an adult instead of having this pressing need to get the last word in. 

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

1 minute ago, marcaractac said:

You could just choose to ignore it like an adult instead of having this pressing need to get the last word in. 

I would love to but when you post bulls*** like gusev would land a 1st i cant let that go

[marcaractac 3,963]

Just now, nyqvististhefuture said:

I would love to but when you post bulls*** like gusev would land a 1st i cant let that go

Soooooo Gusev can't fetch a first, but AA can? 

[krsmith17 7,191]

22 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

The f*** out of here man , ya the devils we’re really expectng to not turn s*** around this season ... picked up subban etc... to continue the rebuild ... save your bs , they werent expected to be this bad

Why does it matter what they think they were? They suck. If they're not rebuilding, they sure as hell should be. And what the f*** does that have to do with us? If we had acquired him, we could have flipped him for picks at the deadline, or kept him around as a veteran. Would have been a great trade. Of course you weren't wrong though...

25 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Dont know if its just a russian fetish but he’s not as good as you think he is just cause he started getting couple more pts (take away his 2 3 pt games and he has 25 in 46)

Yeah, big Russian fetish over here. All those Russian players I'm always talking about... like Gusev, and... yeah, that's about it...

LOL What a dumb argument. Take away the 20 games he didn't get a point, and he'd have 31 points in 28 games. Now all of a sudden he's over a point per game, top line winger...

29 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Anyways the point still stands we’re a rebuilding franchise , we knew wed be picking 32/33 most likely and giving up a really good young asset for a player of his age who wont do s*** was pointless .... guarantee you gusev wont finish his contract with the devils or signs elsewhere next summer , same s*** would have happened here . You cant see that its not my problem

was a joke, and get over yourself with  devils traded low bulls*** , your out of your mind if you think the devils will land a first lmao ... im not getting into this gusev nonsense again ...a 1st lmao

"guarantee"... "you can't see that its not my problem" LMAO

You're dumb as s*** dude...