LeftWinger 5,153 Report post Posted May 27, 2021 37 minutes ago, marcaractac said: Svech will be exposed I think, and he won't be taken. I just don't see any value there with him. He doesn't score enough to be a useful scorer, and he doesn't offer anything else. Time for people to realize he is a bust and won't be a part of the team's future. At best I think he gets qualified and waived for GR. Won't be shocked if Yzerman just lets him walk along with Brome and Djoos. Dekeyser will get to finish out his contract. I think Yzerman protects Hronek, Cholo and Stecher. Though I'd protect Hronek, Cholo and Lindstrom without hesitation. Let Seattle take Stecher. I'd rather keep Cholo, Lindstrom, and Smith. I'd like to see disney.com, Bernie, and Staal re-signed. Then either go after brother Eric or keep Gagner. I'm gonna predict that Raymond makes the roster. If he can be good enough to produce in the preseason, I think he earns a shot after the offense starved season we just had. Just read a rumor, on FB albeit, but it's being tossed around that Yzerman will send two 3rd's to Seattle for them to take Dekeyser. just a rumor, but that sounds like something Yzerman would do... So throw this idea in the mix! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,772 Report post Posted May 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, LeftWinger said: Just read a rumor, on FB albeit, but it's being tossed around that Yzerman will send two 3rd's to Seattle for them to take Dekeyser. just a rumor, but that sounds like something Yzerman would do... So throw this idea in the mix! I don't see it. He's in the last year of his contract, those picks are still pretty valuable, and anybody Seattle would otherwise take (Svech, Smith, Lindstrom) is totally replaceable. This will be exactly like the last expansion draft. Take your Tomas Nosek, WGAF. 5 LeftWinger, marcaractac, town123 and 2 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted May 27, 2021 13 minutes ago, LeftWinger said: Just read a rumor, on FB albeit, but it's being tossed around that Yzerman will send two 3rd's to Seattle for them to take Dekeyser. just a rumor, but that sounds like something Yzerman would do... So throw this idea in the mix! A lot of talent is gonna either fall or go unnoticed in this draft. No way I give up two 3rds to get rid of one year of Dekeyser. He will be a totally serviceable dman for one season. 2 town123 and LeftWinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gniwder 168 Report post Posted May 27, 2021 Two RFA Dmen that might be worth signing in FA (may not get qualified due to cap concerns) Gustav Forsling - 0.3953 scoring rate - 6'0" 186lbs - 26 years old - 2nd pair and PK Adam Pelech - 0.25 scoring rate - 6'3" 205lbs - 27 years old - 2nd pair and PK Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted May 27, 2021 3 hours ago, marcaractac said: Svech will be exposed I think, and he won't be taken. I just don't see any value there with him. He doesn't score enough to be a useful scorer, and he doesn't offer anything else. Time for people to realize he is a bust and won't be a part of the team's future. At best I think he gets qualified and waived for GR. Won't be shocked if Yzerman just lets him walk along with Brome and Djoos. Dekeyser will get to finish out his contract. I think Yzerman protects Hronek, Cholo and Stecher. Though I'd protect Hronek, Cholo and Lindstrom without hesitation. Let Seattle take Stecher. I'd rather keep Cholo, Lindstrom, and Smith. I'd like to see disney.com, Bernie, and Staal re-signed. Then either go after brother Eric or keep Gagner. I'm gonna predict that Raymond makes the roster. If he can be good enough to produce in the preseason, I think he earns a shot after the offense starved season we just had. If Raymond and Smith are both on the roster, along with Rasmussen, there won't be a spot available for Staal or Gagner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted May 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: If Raymond and Smith are both on the roster, along with Rasmussen, there won't be a spot available for Staal or Gagner. Injuries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted May 27, 2021 2 hours ago, marcaractac said: A lot of talent is gonna either fall or go unnoticed in this draft. No way I give up two 3rds to get rid of one year of Dekeyser. He will be a totally serviceable dman for one season. Even if Cholowski and Lindstrom make it thru the expansion draft, they have to be on the roster or be put on waivers. DeKeyser could still be sent down to GR to keep them up. No reason to buy him out or trade picks to get rid of him. 1 minute ago, marcaractac said: Injuries. To start the season? I doubt it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted May 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Even if Cholowski and Lindstrom make it thru the expansion draft, they have to be on the roster or be put on waivers. DeKeyser could still be sent down to GR to keep them up. No reason to buy him out or trade picks to get rid of him. To start the season? I doubt it. Oh come on now. Name one time we had zero injuries going into the season after training camp and preseason. It literally never happens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted May 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, marcaractac said: Oh come on now. Name one time we had zero injuries going into the season after training camp and preseason. It literally never happens. Yeah it could. But if Bert is ready to go, aside from DK, there's a good chance this team could be full strength on day one. With Helm and Mantha gone, I have no injury concerns on the opening day roster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted May 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Yeah it could. But if Bert is ready to go, aside from DK, there's a good chance this team could be full strength on day one. With Helm and Mantha gone, I have no injury concerns on the opening day roster. Someone will be out to start. There is always at least one, if not more. For every team. To hit game one fully healthy is the exception, not the rule. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gniwder 168 Report post Posted May 27, 2021 (edited) F (13) Larkin Vrana Bertuzzi Fabbri Rasmussen Zadina Smith Svechnikov Glendening Panik Namestnikov Erne E. Staal Nielsen (Buyout) Helm (UFA) Filppula (UFA) Gagner (UFA) Ryan (UFA) Call ups Veleno Pearson Raymond Berggren The forwards look very set to me. Injuries will hit and guys like Veleno will probably be on the Red Wings roster more than less. D (7) Seider Hronek M. Staal Dekeyser Cholowski Lindstrom Oesterle/Cole/Oleksiak/Martinez/etc Stecher (Seattle) Biega (UFA) Call ups McIlrath McIsaac Barton That's a 22 man roster with one spot open. Our D depth is pretty weak. I expect Yzerman will sign another D UFA on top of this to compete with Cholowski and Lindstrom, or another depth/GR guy like Biega or McIlrath so that at least our callups aren't so weak. Edited May 27, 2021 by Gniwder 2 Akakabuto and Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted May 27, 2021 39 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Yeah it could. But if Bert is ready to go, aside from DK, there's a good chance this team could be full strength on day one. With Helm and Mantha gone, I have no injury concerns on the opening day roster. Also keep in mind teams go into camp with a larger roster than allowed some start of the season for various reasons. Competition for jobs, try outs, and simply to be prepared for the inevitable preseason injury. The worst thing that can happen is that a young player still capable of being sent down would get sent down until there is an injury. Though if said young player is good enough, someone else would just get waived. And it would not be a young player (unless it's Svech). 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gniwder 168 Report post Posted May 27, 2021 If a situation arises where Raymond makes the team, putting us over the 23 man limit, just waive Panik/Svech/Lindstrom/Dekeyser. No one is claiming those fools. 4 13dangledangle, Akakabuto, marcaractac and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gniwder 168 Report post Posted May 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Gniwder said: F (13) Larkin Vrana Bertuzzi Fabbri Rasmussen Zadina Smith Svechnikov Glendening Panik Namestnikov Erne E. Staal Nielsen (Buyout) Helm (UFA) Filppula (UFA) Gagner (UFA) Ryan (UFA) Call ups Veleno Pearson Raymond Berggren The forwards look very set to me. Injuries will hit and guys like Veleno will probably be on the Red Wings roster more than less. D (7) Seider Hronek M. Staal Dekeyser Cholowski Lindstrom Oesterle/Cole/Oleksiak/Martinez/etc Stecher (Seattle) Biega (UFA) Call ups McIlrath McIsaac Barton That's a 22 man roster with one spot open. Our D depth is pretty weak. I expect Yzerman will sign another D UFA on top of this to compete with Cholowski and Lindstrom, or another depth/GR guy like Biega or McIlrath so that at least our callups aren't so weak. A conversation with @Akakabuto and @marcaractac has completely reversed my thinking on the Staal brothers. I will no longer shill for those aging has-beens. Both are nearing retirement and uselessness and our roster doesn't need to rely on players like that. If Marc Staal wasn't here, I would have no interest in Eric. If NYR didn't pay us to take Marc last season I would have no interest in Marc. Vrana - Larkin - Bertuzzi Fabbri - Rasmussen - Zadina Erne - Namestnikov - Glendening Smith - Veleno - Panik Svechnikov Cole - Seider Oleksiak - Hronek Oesterle - Lindstrom Cholowski/Dekeyser Cole = $4 x 2 Oleksiak = $3 x 4 Oesterle = $2 x 2 2 Dabura and town123 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted May 27, 2021 14 minutes ago, Gniwder said: A conversation with @Akakabuto and @marcaractac has completely reversed my thinking on the Staal brothers. I will no longer shill for those aging has-beens. Both are nearing retirement and uselessness and our roster doesn't need to rely on players like that. If Marc Staal wasn't here, I would have no interest in Eric. If NYR didn't pay us to take Marc last season I would have no interest in Marc. Vrana - Larkin - Bertuzzi Fabbri - Rasmussen - Zadina Erne - Namestnikov - Glendening Smith - Veleno - Panik Svechnikov Cole - Seider Oleksiak - Hronek Oesterle - Lindstrom Cholowski/Dekeyser Cole = $4 x 2 Oleksiak = $3 x 4 Oesterle = $2 x 2 Yeah. I have no interest in the Staal bros. I would consider Marc only if we lost a D in the expansion draft, but otherwise, I would go after a higher profile LD and then slot DD and DC down the left side. 3 13dangledangle, Dabura and Gniwder reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted May 27, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Gniwder said: If a situation arises where Raymond makes the team, putting us over the 23 man limit, just waive Panik/Svech/Lindstrom/Dekeyser. No one is claiming those fools. Id be trying to force seattle into taking panik by trading stetcher now instead of the deadline (if we’re honest with ourselves hes walking and likely headed back to Vancouver) to vegas or some team that would be able to protect him ... that way we protect lindstrom cholowski hronek and theyll likely have to choose svechnikov and might be turned off by us always putting him on waivers , 1 year of namestnikov or 2 years of panik Course this can all change if we make a move for dunn or someone who might be made available due to the expansion draft 41 minutes ago, Gniwder said: A conversation with @Akakabuto and @marcaractac has completely reversed my thinking on the Staal brothers. I will no longer shill for those aging has-beens. Both are nearing retirement and uselessness and our roster doesn't need to rely on players like that. If Marc Staal wasn't here, I would have no interest in Eric. If NYR didn't pay us to take Marc last season I would have no interest in Marc. Vrana - Larkin - Bertuzzi Fabbri - Rasmussen - Zadina Erne - Namestnikov - Glendening Smith - Veleno - Panik Svechnikov Cole - Seider Oleksiak - Hronek Oesterle - Lindstrom Cholowski/Dekeyser Cole = $4 x 2 Oleksiak = $3 x 4 Oesterle = $2 x 2 I think chase pearson will/should make the team next season he’s gonna be 24 in august and i think he’s more than ready smith pearson on the 4th 100% imo Edited May 27, 2021 by nyqvististhefuture Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted May 27, 2021 3 hours ago, Gniwder said: If a situation arises where Raymond makes the team, putting us over the 23 man limit, just waive Panik/Svech/Lindstrom/Dekeyser. No one is claiming those fools. So then why sign Staal or Gagner in the first place? The only reason I would sign Gagner would be as a cheap replacement for Glendening if some other team gave him an offer he couldn't refuse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gniwder 168 Report post Posted May 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: So then why sign Staal or Gagner in the first place? The only reason I would sign Gagner would be as a cheap replacement for Glendening if some other team gave him an offer he couldn't refuse. I dont want to sign Gagner or Staal 1 nyqvististhefuture reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted May 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Gniwder said: I dont want to sign Gagner or Staal Oh I thought you were sending down those guys cuz Gagner and/or E. Staal were on the roster too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted May 28, 2021 Was looking around teams rosters anton stralman 5.5 cap hit and salary , what would it take to get that 1st if theyre desperate to shed him off the roster and get all that cap space for free agency?? Can Something centered around Flipping them the caps 2nd Get it done Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted May 28, 2021 A good read: 3 Takeaways from Yzerman's Year-End Press Conference [The Hockey Writers] 1 1 13dangledangle and Akakabuto reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gniwder 168 Report post Posted June 3, 2021 Mikko Lehtonen. 27 year old, 6'0" 200lb LHD. Top KHL Dman for two years in a row prior to this covid season. Lured to the NHL this year by the Leafs, then traded to CBJ. Leafs no longer needed him once Dermott emerged and Lehtonen wanted to play somewhere. Keefe also complained he wasn't assertive enough away from the puck. Fast and a gifted puck mover. The type of stealth pickup that could be really great and inexpensive for our left side and powerplay. After this first year of adjustment to NA ice I can see him doing much better in a more normal year next year. 6 pts in 26 games so far. Was PPG in the KHL. 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,863 Report post Posted June 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Gniwder said: Mikko Lehtonen. 27 year old, 6'0" 200lb LHD. Top KHL Dman for two years in a row prior to this covid season. Lured to the NHL this year by the Leafs, then traded to CBJ. Leafs no longer needed him once Dermott emerged and Lehtonen wanted to play somewhere. Keefe also complained he wasn't assertive enough away from the puck. Fast and a gifted puck mover. The type of stealth pickup that could be really great and inexpensive for our left side and powerplay. After this first year of adjustment to NA ice I can see him doing much better in a more normal year next year. 6 pts in 26 games so far. Was PPG in the KHL. Anything but another year of Staal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted June 4, 2021 6 hours ago, Akakabuto said: Anything but another year of Staal. Gimme a 2nd round pick for him? Yes. Take him on without any compensation? No. 2 Gniwder and Akakabuto reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gniwder 168 Report post Posted June 4, 2021 8 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Gimme a 2nd round pick for him? Yes. Take him on without any compensation? No. Folks forget, we didn't acquire him cause he's any good. We were paid to play him. Being a hair better than Dekeyser/Djoos/Cholowski is nothing to smile about. Staal is a 7th Dman on a decent team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
