2022 TDL

[bIueadams 776]

12 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

Meh for the day. With the 1sts that were flying around, I thought we'd have more excitement in Detroit.

I look at the Vlad trade as basically a loan to Nill for the playoff run. I believe he will be back, and that is why he only got us a 4th 2 years from now. He'll be back. The kid bleeds Red Wings.

Leddy trade made the day a success. Blues just can't stop themselves from taking it from Yzerman. A classic tale. 

Stecher was worthless after his injury and Names has been traded for 4ths twice b4 this one. 

Not sure if Names will be back. I'd welcome him but it'd be a crowded forward group. 

Vrana - Larkin - Raymond

Fabbri - Suter - Bertuzzi

Namestnikov - Rasmussen - Sundqvist

Erne - Stephen's - Zadina

Veleno/Smith 

Not any room for other additions at that point. 

[Akakabuto 1,863]

5 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Beaulieu is currently ON LTIR with a lower body injury. Stecher has been back FROM injury for over a month.

Beaulieu had 4 points in 24 games. Stecher had 4 points in 16.

Beaulieu is LH. Stecher is RH.

Stecher should have gotten a bigger return than Beaulieu IMO. If Beaulieu went for a 7th, Stecher should have gotten a 5th or 6th at the worst.

I missed the bolded part.

I agree, but the bottom line is you dont usually get assets back for players that doesnt actually play.

[marcaractac 3,963]

On 3/18/2022 at 9:36 PM, Jonas Mahonas said:

I mentioned Lindholm being offered as signed to 8/8 to start.  First you dont know how NHL UFA rules work.  Now you dont know how a sign and trade works.  Jesus, Marc.  Youre demoted to the LGW fantasy accounting department.  Go collect fantasy season ticket fees!!

Very aware of sign-and-trades. The main idea behind my message was poor asset management. Let alone the fact that 8X8 for Lindholm would have been straight up r-slurred. That's some NITF-level s***. 

[bIueadams 776]

1 hour ago, marcaractac said:

Very aware of sign-and-trades. The main idea behind my message was poor asset management. Let alone the fact that 8X8 for Lindholm would have been straight up r-slurred. That's some NITF-level s***. 

We will suck again without Lindholm 

[Akakabuto 1,863]

The Lindholm trade was Hampus Lindholm (@50%), Kodie Curran for Urho Vaakanainen, John Moore, 2022 1st, 2023 2nd, 2024 2nd.
Lindholm extension: 8x6.5.

The equivalent for Detroit would have been something like:

Hampus Lindholm (@50%), Kodie Curran for Gustav Lindstrom, 2022 1st, John Moore, 2023 2nd, 2024 2nd

Scratch the 2024 2nd attached with the Moore contract as Detroit doesn't need to dump cap.

Scratch the 2023 2nd for the 50% retention. Again, Detroit doesn't need it.

I don't know why Curran is in there but probably becasue of limits on number of contracts.

Would it have been worth it? No! Detroits 1st's are almost untouchable. That extension is bang on, though.

Edited March 22, 2022 by Akakabuto

[marcaractac 3,963]

32 minutes ago, Akakabuto said:

The Lindholm trade was Hampus Lindholm (@50%), Kodie Curran for Urho Vaakanainen, John Moore, 2022 1st, 2023 2nd, 2024 2nd.
Lindholm extension: 8x6.5.

The equivalent for Detroit would have been something like:

Hampus Lindholm (@50%), Kodie Curran for Gustav Lindstrom, 2022 1st, John Moore, 2023 2nd, 2024 2nd

Scratch the 2024 2nd attached with the Moore contract as Detroit doesn't need to dump cap.

Scratch the 2023 2nd for the 50% retention. Again, Detroit doesn't need it.

I don't know why Curran is in there but probably becasue of limits on number of contracts.

Would it have been worth it? No! Detroits 1st's are almost untouchable. That extension is bang on, though.

Yeah, his contract is sensible. But no chance we should be trading top 10 picks for a 28-year-old dman. You make that deal when the dman is the missing piece. Not to try and stop the drowning. 

[marcaractac 3,963]

Got to imagine the team limits Walman to 16 games so he retains his RFA status and avoids becoming a Group 6 UFA.

[kipwinger 8,771]

10 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

Got to imagine the team limits Walman to 16 games so he retains his RFA status and avoids becoming a Group 6 UFA.

That's a really tricky situation to navigate. Say he's playing really good, and the team scratches him a few games, keeps him and RFA, and costs him a bunch of money. No exactly the way to endear a guy to his new organization. Especially if he appreciated the opportunity and was inclined to stay before you did so. Conversely, if he stinks and completely flops maybe you want to give him the full 20 so he becomes a UFA and you don't have to worry about dealing with a qualifying offer or having him count on your roster. I'm not sure how I'd handle him if I were Stevie Y.

[marcaractac 3,963]

4 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

That's a really tricky situation to navigate. Say he's playing really good, and the team scratches him a few games, keeps him and RFA, and costs him a bunch of money. No exactly the way to endear a guy to his new organization. Especially if he appreciated the opportunity and was inclined to stay before you did so. Conversely, if he stinks and completely flops maybe you want to give him the full 20 so he becomes a UFA and you don't have to worry about dealing with a qualifying offer or having him count on your roster. I'm not sure how I'd handle him if I were Stevie Y.

Yeah, it's a tough one for sure. I mean, if he plays well, he'll no doubt get a raise based on his current salary anyway.

I guess if he plays really well for a dozen games or so, they can begin to work out a short 'prove it' contract before that 17th game hits. 

[bIueadams 776]

Play him with no regard RFA group status. What he earns is what he gets. I know this team is run by jews, but we don't have to act like it.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/dadonov-trade-to-ducks-in-limbo-as-no-trade-clause-was-not-submitted/

Really hope Vegas gets burned with all of their cap circumvention gymnastics and unprofessionalism towards Ship and MAF.

 

[marcaractac 3,963]

3 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/dadonov-trade-to-ducks-in-limbo-as-no-trade-clause-was-not-submitted/

Really hope Vegas gets burned with all of their cap circumvention gymnastics and unprofessionalism towards Ship and MAF.

 

If they do get burned, I'd be all over their emergency need for a cap dump if I'm Yzerman haha. You can still make a trade, the players involved just can't play until next season. 

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

2 hours ago, bIueadams said:

Play him with no regard RFA group status. What he earns is what he gets. I know this team is run by jews, but we don't have to act like it.

Marc is one of the stingiest fantasy gms out there.  I dont know of anyone else that takes into consideration future fantasy re-signings 3 years before they happen with players that dont even have 1 season under their belts.  But apparently, we couldnt afford Lindholm in fantasy cap land because Seider, Raymond, and Edvinsson are all due for big raises.  I tried to explain how RFA works and that we probably would be ok with a big contract (Forsberg @ 8 mil per), but apparently we're gonna break the bank on pur RFAs this time around.

[bIueadams 776]

1 minute ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Marc is one of the stingiest fantasy gms out there.  I dont know of anyone else that takes into consideration future fantasy re-signings 3 years before they happen with players that dont even have 1 season under their belts.  But apparently, we couldnt afford Lindholm in fantasy cap land because Seider, Raymond, and Edvinsson are all due for big raises.  I tried to explain how RFA works and that we probably would be ok with a big contract (Forsberg @ 8 mil per), but apparently we're gonna break the bank on pur RFAs this time around.

Meh he doesnt understand how UFA or RFA works. Ignore him.

 

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

11 minutes ago, bIueadams said:

Meh he doesnt understand how UFA or RFA works. Ignore him.

 

or sign and trades.  want to see complete mystification?  wait til one of our guys goes to arbitration this summer.  

 

"If I were gm, I'd be prepared with all the comparables, options for term, and know whats reasonable."

 

That's what the arbitrator ia for, Marc.

 

"I wouldnt need that guy.  If Zadina wont take 500,000 a year, he can walk."

 

League minimum salary is $750,000, Marc.  Plus we're $33,400,000 under the cap and gonna need to pay cap floor penalties with your squad right now.

 

"Exactly."

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

3 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Marc is one of the stingiest fantasy gms out there.  I dont know of anyone else that takes into consideration future fantasy re-signings 3 years before they happen with players that dont even have 1 season under their belts.  But apparently, we couldnt afford Lindholm in fantasy cap land because Seider, Raymond, and Edvinsson are all due for big raises.  I tried to explain how RFA works and that we probably would be ok with a big contract (Forsberg @ 8 mil per), but apparently we're gonna break the bank on pur RFAs this time around.

An 8 year deal would mean that Yzerman is still paying 7-8 mil per season to Lindholm when all of Raymond, Seider, Edvinsson, and potentially, the 2022 1st rounder reach UFA status. That wasted payroll/cap hit for a 35-36 year old Lindholm will lead to cap issues and potentially losing good players.

[F.Michael 4,590]

10 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

An 8 year deal would mean that Yzerman is still paying 7-8 mil per season to Lindholm when all of Raymond, Seider, Edvinsson, and potentially, the 2022 1st rounder reach UFA status. That wasted payroll/cap hit for a 35-36 year old Lindholm will lead to cap issues and potentially losing good players.

Yzerman will make good use of our bountiful cap space this summer...

 

 

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

58 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

An 8 year deal would mean that Yzerman is still paying 7-8 mil per season to Lindholm when all of Raymond, Seider, Edvinsson, and potentially, the 2022 1st rounder reach UFA status. That wasted payroll/cap hit for a 35-36 year old Lindholm will lead to cap issues and potentially losing good players.

You act like the gm has to sit still for 8 years after the signing.  Why cant we use him for 5 years till he's 33, then trade him?  Or why cant we just use 3 mil of the extra 10 mil of cap space we'll have in 2027 on him.  Adding an 8 mil per player to our team right now that can play big minutes effectively HELPS US.  We're 22 million under the cap going into 2022-23.  Are you trying to save the Illitchs money?

I wonder if Stevie took a stab at Lindholm.  Would be interesting to see the ask from Anaheim and Hampus.

[kipwinger 8,771]

I liked both the new Wings tonight. Sundqvist especially. I'd really like to see him take over the 4th line center role permanently (after he gets to know the systems) and move Rasmussen to the wing on the 3rd. Ras looked very solid on the wing in his few games there this season. Walman moves well but otherwise I didn't notice him much tonight. I'll give him a little more runway considering he's supposed to be an offensive d-man and I'd imagine he was playing pretty conservatively in his first game for the Wings.

Edit: Also, this happened.

 

Edited March 23, 2022 by kipwinger

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

55 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

You act like the gm has to sit still for 8 years after the signing.  Why cant we use him for 5 years till he's 33, then trade him?  Or why cant we just use 3 mil of the extra 10 mil of cap space we'll have in 2027 on him.  Adding an 8 mil per player to our team right now that can play big minutes effectively HELPS US.  We're 22 million under the cap going into 2022-23.  Are you trying to save the Illitchs money?

I wonder if Stevie took a stab at Lindholm.  Would be interesting to see the ask from Anaheim and Hampus.

Because trading a 34/5 year old dman who is making 7-8 mil will require retaining some of his salary, including a prospect to unload him, or both. And it still leaves dead cap space at a time when you need it most.

2 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

I liked both the new Wings tonight. Sundqvist especially. I'd really like to see him take over the 4th line center role permanently (after he gets to know the systems) and move Rasmussen to the wing on the 3rd. Ras looked very solid on the wing in his few games there this season. Walman moves well but otherwise I didn't notice him much tonight. I'll give him a little more runway considering he's supposed to be an offensive d-man and I'd imagine he was playing pretty conservatively in his first game for the Wings.

If they can keep the other team from scoring 5 goals a game, its a win.

1 hour ago, F.Michael said:

Yzerman will make good use of our bountiful cap space this summer...

 

 

No.

So much wrong here.

I cant even look at it.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

47 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Because trading a 34/5 year old dman who is making 7-8 mil will require retaining some of his salary, including a prospect to unload him, or both. And it still leaves dead cap space at a time when you need it most.

If they can keep the other team from scoring 5 goals a game, its a win.

No.

So much wrong here.

I cant even look at it.

why would u want to trade your 3rd best defenseman on a stacked defense on a cup contending team?  Imagine looking to move Rafalski in 2008.  Why would u do that?

[TLGTrico 663]

I'm already not liking our blue line for next season.

[bIueadams 776]

8 hours ago, kipwinger said:

I liked both the new Wings tonight. Sundqvist especially. I'd really like to see him take over the 4th line center role permanently (after he gets to know the systems) and move Rasmussen to the wing on the 3rd. Ras looked very solid on the wing in his few games there this season. Walman moves well but otherwise I didn't notice him much tonight. I'll give him a little more runway considering he's supposed to be an offensive d-man and I'd imagine he was playing pretty conservatively in his first game for the Wings.

Edit: Also, this happened.

 

Sundqvist will become the new Glendening overnight. He's one of those guys that everyone loves. Does everything right. Just not overly talented. 

[redw1ngs 149]

Sundqvist Suter Erne and Oesterle should all be 2023 TD trade chips. Maybe add Bertuzzi in there depending on how negotiations go this summer. 

[marcaractac 3,963]

11 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

An 8 year deal would mean that Yzerman is still paying 7-8 mil per season to Lindholm when all of Raymond, Seider, Edvinsson, and potentially, the 2022 1st rounder reach UFA status. That wasted payroll/cap hit for a 35-36 year old Lindholm will lead to cap issues and potentially losing good players.

Logic is not accepted in these parts