LeftWinger 4,974 Report post Posted May 13 (edited) So, we have $29M in cap. A couple trade chips to free up a little bit more. Holl (or Maatta) and Fabbri. That'll give us $7M-$7.4M more. Let's just say we round to $37M. Seider $8M (8 year) if we could get him to bridge, that would be great! Raymond $5M (3 year bridge) Kane $5M (3 year) Stamkos $8M (3 year) $26M, leaving us $11 to get another G backup (unless Husso is dealt for another) and upgrade the D. Whether that's a UFA or via another trade. Fill in the remaining holes with kids. If we could wrestle Andersson out of Calgary for a 1st and prospect, that would be a big upgrade. Edvinsson and Johansson should be in Detroit next season. Debrincat-Larkin-Raymond Kane-Compher-Stamkos <Kid>-Veleno-Copp <kid>-Rasmussen-<kid>(or Fischer) Walman-Seider Edvinsson-Andersson Maatta(Holl)-Chiarot Johansson Husso Lyon Edited May 13 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TLGTrico 631 Report post Posted May 13 1 hour ago, LeftWinger said: So, we have $29M in cap. A couple trade chips to free up a little bit more. Holl (or Maatta) and Fabbri. That'll give us $7M-$7.4M more. Let's just say we round to $37M. Seider $8M (8 year) if we could get him to bridge, that would be great! Raymond $5M (3 year bridge) Kane $5M (3 year) Stamkos $8M (3 year) $26M, leaving us $11 to get another G backup (unless Husso is dealt for another) and upgrade the D. Whether that's a UFA or via another trade. Fill in the remaining holes with kids. If we could wrestle Andersson out of Calgary for a 1st and prospect, that would be a big upgrade. Edvinsson and Johansson should be in Detroit next season. Debrincat-Larkin-Raymond Kane-Compher-Stamkos <Kid>-Veleno-Copp <kid>-Rasmussen-<kid>(or Fischer) Walman-Seider Edvinsson-Andersson Maatta(Holl)-Chiarot Johansson Husso Lyon Kane and stamkos are too old to be getting 3 years Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stephen-gregory-yzerman 94 Report post Posted May 13 3 hours ago, LeftWinger said: So, we have $29M in cap. A couple trade chips to free up a little bit more. Holl (or Maatta) and Fabbri. That'll give us $7M-$7.4M more. Let's just say we round to $37M. Seider $8M (8 year) if we could get him to bridge, that would be great! Raymond $5M (3 year bridge) Kane $5M (3 year) Stamkos $8M (3 year) $26M, leaving us $11 to get another G backup (unless Husso is dealt for another) and upgrade the D. Whether that's a UFA or via another trade. Fill in the remaining holes with kids. If we could wrestle Andersson out of Calgary for a 1st and prospect, that would be a big upgrade. Edvinsson and Johansson should be in Detroit next season. Debrincat-Larkin-Raymond Kane-Compher-Stamkos <Kid>-Veleno-Copp <kid>-Rasmussen-<kid>(or Fischer) Walman-Seider Edvinsson-Andersson Maatta(Holl)-Chiarot Johansson Husso Lyon Bridging Seider or Raymond would be dumb both need max term and both combined will likely come in at a extra $4m. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 515 Report post Posted May 13 2 hours ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said: Bridging Seider or Raymond would be dumb both need max term and both combined will likely come in at a extra $4m. Seider 8x8 and Raymond 6x8 will get it done. Lock em up. Both go balls every shift. 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stephen-gregory-yzerman 94 Report post Posted May 13 1 hour ago, Scott R Lucidi said: Seider 8x8 and Raymond 6x8 will get it done. Lock em up. Both go balls every shift. No it wont. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axl Foley 242 Report post Posted May 14 2 hours ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said: No it wont. I would say that is fair value. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 515 Report post Posted May 14 3 hours ago, Axl Foley said: I would say that is fair value. Yup. Seider finished 32nd in scoring this season and didnt get the 25 mins a night that the 9-11 mil guys get. I would say his closest comparable is Travis Sanheim, and he got 6.25 mil per. If Seider gets 8 per, it will be an investment in his development. Right now, his stats are worth 6-7 mil per. Quinn Hughes, the Norris Trophy winner, makes less than 8 mil per, mind you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stephen-gregory-yzerman 94 Report post Posted May 14 6 hours ago, Axl Foley said: I would say that is fair value. Seider will get around $8.5m Ray will get around $7.5m. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 515 Report post Posted May 14 2 hours ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said: Seider will get around $8.5m Ray will get around $7.5m. That wont look good in 4 years if Edvinsson and ASP make up our top pairing and Larkin and Danielson are our best forwards. 6.5mil per x 4 years for Seider. 6 mil x 4 years for Raymond. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stephen-gregory-yzerman 94 Report post Posted May 14 18 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said: That wont look good in 4 years if Edvinsson and ASP make up our top pairing and Larkin and Danielson are our best forwards. 6.5mil per x 4 years for Seider. 6 mil x 4 years for Raymond. Theres little to no chance either let alone both Edvinsson and ASP will be better then Seider but if they are thats a great problem to have and they will be paid accordingly. If Larkin and Danielson are both better then Raymond in 4 years were in great shape because it means Larkin has aged well and Danielson has developed well and we have one of the best 1-2 down the middle in the league. If Danielson is better then Raymond in 4 years he gets $8.5m - $1m more then Raymond. You dont not pay your star players there worth because you have prospects coming that might be better in 4 years. lol Your severly underestimating these contracts which is setting yourself up for disapointment my friend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 515 Report post Posted May 14 10 minutes ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said: Theres little to no chance either let alone both Edvinsson and ASP will be better then Seider but if they are thats a great problem to have and they will be paid accordingly. If Larkin and Danielson are both better then Raymond in 4 years were in great shape because it means Larkin has aged well and Danielson has developed well and we have one of the best 1-2 down the middle in the league. If Danielson is better then Raymond in 4 years he gets $8.5m - $1m more then Raymond. You dont not pay your star players there worth because you have prospects coming that might be better in 4 years. lol Your severly underestimating these contracts which is setting yourself up for disapointment my friend. Brandon Hagel got 6.5 mil per. Raymond's deal will be 6 mil per for 8 years if he wants term. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stephen-gregory-yzerman 94 Report post Posted May 14 6 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said: Brandon Hagel got 6.5 mil per. Raymond's deal will be 6 mil per for 8 years if he wants term. Matt Boldy got $7m and Cole Caufield got $7.85m. Raymond is younger and/or has a better track record then all these players. No way Raymond signs for $6m longterm and no way Yzerman should be looking at anything other then 8year term. Anything under $7.5m for Raymond is a steal. Anything under $8.5m for Seider is a steal. Dont expect either to sign much below those #s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,559 Report post Posted May 14 Anybody know much about Dylan Demelo for the Jets? RHD, played on their top pair, defends well, and is a free agent. Also from London Ontario and playing in s***hole Winnipeg. Sounds like a possible Edvinsson partner to me, or am I missing anything? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stephen-gregory-yzerman 94 Report post Posted May 14 36 minutes ago, kipwinger said: Anybody know much about Dylan Demelo for the Jets? RHD, played on their top pair, defends well, and is a free agent. Also from London Ontario and playing in s***hole Winnipeg. Sounds like a possible Edvinsson partner to me, or am I missing anything? Demelo, Montour, or Myers if willing to take a big pay cut would be decent options 2nd pair rd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 515 Report post Posted May 14 Augustine / Cossa gonna be outstanding Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diehardredwingsfan58 135 Report post Posted May 14 (edited) 3 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said: Brandon Hagel got 6.5 mil per. Raymond's deal will be 6 mil per for 8 years if he wants term. Ha Ha Ha Raymond is a country mile better than Boldy who got 7x7m, No freaking way is Raymond taking 8x6m he put up 172 points on his 3 year ELC. Raymond could easily get 8x8.5m Edited May 14 by diehardredwingsfan58 1 stephen-gregory-yzerman reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 515 Report post Posted May 14 19 minutes ago, diehardredwingsfan58 said: Ha Ha Ha Raymond is a country mile better than Boldy who got 7x7m, No freaking way is Raymond taking 8x6m he put up 172 points on his 3 year ELC. Raymond could easily get 8x8.5m Again, Larkin makes 8x8. This team takes a straight nose dive without Larkin. Use that as your basis. Not what hockey clubs that never get any better are doing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,974 Report post Posted May 14 3 hours ago, diehardredwingsfan58 said: Ha Ha Ha Raymond is a country mile better than Boldy who got 7x7m, No freaking way is Raymond taking 8x6m he put up 172 points on his 3 year ELC. Raymond could easily get 8x8.5m It's all about total value. 7x7=49, 6×8=48. Give him 8 years $52M total. 1 Scott R Lucidi reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 515 Report post Posted May 14 38 minutes ago, LeftWinger said: It's all about total value. 7x7=49, 6×8=48. Give him 8 years $52M total. I really dont think Raymond is worrying about the "perceived" value. He probably wants a 50 mil guarantee that sets him up for life. Unfortunately, we cant give every good player we draft 10 mil a season. We'll end up with 5 forwards and 4 defensemen if we do that. Larkin, Seider, Raymond, Edvinsson all get 7 mil on average, we can build a good team around them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stephen-gregory-yzerman 94 Report post Posted May 14 46 minutes ago, LeftWinger said: It's all about total value. 7x7=49, 6×8=48. Give him 8 years $52M total. a) Its def not all about total value b) $6.5m isnt getting it done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 515 Report post Posted May 14 42 minutes ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said: a) Its def not all about total value b) $6.5m isnt getting it done. Wager? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stephen-gregory-yzerman 94 Report post Posted May 14 21 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said: Wager? 1 million internet points. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 515 Report post Posted May 14 12 minutes ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said: 1 million internet points. Nobody ever pays up for their lost bets, so no worries. https://puckprose.com/posts/detroit-red-wings-what-would-a-raymond-contract-extension-look-like 5 years/7 mil per. I don't think so. I think that's unlikely. I think 4 years @ 5.5 mil OR 8 years at 6.5 mil per. Raymond is either going to sign a bridge deal to get to UFA, or he's going to sign long term to stay a Red Wing 16 more years with 2 consecutive 8 year deals. I'm thinking he does the latter. I'm seeing 8 years, 6.25 mil per year for a 50 million dollar deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
town123 185 Report post Posted May 14 I think RayRay signs 8yr/60m. 7.5 per Which will look like a great deal right away for the Wings and like a crap deal in 2 years for Lucas. 2 Scott R Lucidi and stephen-gregory-yzerman reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 515 Report post Posted May 14 17 minutes ago, town123 said: I think RayRay signs 8yr/60m. 7.5 per Which will look like a great deal right away for the Wings and like a crap deal in 2 years for Lucas. I could see this. He was our best forward not named Larkin last season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
