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In Topic: Datsyuk to play Thursday? Weiss to be a healthy scratch?

13 October 2014 - 11:26 AM

Yet, on hfb the Kings fans are already complaining about lack of prospects...

Kings fans are the worst, do they not realize that with that core they probably won't need a huge impact prospect for another 5-6 years... Plus they have Toffoli Pearson Muzzin McNabb Jones that are prospects or borderline prospects, Doughty and Voynov who are only 24, Kopitar's only 27...


They're getting real spoiled (reminds me of some other fan base haha)

In Topic: TSN Luke Schenn could be available

03 October 2014 - 01:56 PM

Luke Schenn?? Are you guys nuts?

In Topic: Training Camp Thread

21 September 2014 - 12:48 PM

I'll hand it to the guys, and I know none of you want to hear this, but Daniel Cleary looks much better off this year than he did last year. He's skating a lot better, and is showing some promise playing with Mule and Hank.




In Topic: Pavel Datsyuk trolls Paul Bissonnette on Twitter

23 August 2014 - 10:02 AM

Funny, but staged. 

Not too sure about that, Pavel does a weird amount of promotion for his clothing line

In Topic: Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

19 August 2014 - 05:20 PM


I understand that nobody is in the room, but you can't give the guy a pass on the bad because of it and only 'see' the good when someone signs. Ultimately, Holland's track record in FA signings isn't that good the last several years.


List of Holland's big signings (~$2M+/year) since the last Cup:

08-09 - Marian Hossa (1yr - not re-signed)

09-10 - None

10-11 - None

11-12 - Ian White (2yrs - not re-signed)

12-13 - Jordin Tootoo (3yrs - compliance buy-out)

12-13 - Carlo Colaiacovo (2yrs - compliance buy-out)

13-14 - Daniel Alfredsson (1yr - not re-signed as yet)

13-14 - Stephen Weiss (5yrs - played 26 games and scored 4 pts in year 1)

14-15 - Kyle Quincey (2yrs for a player Detroit was ready to walk away from)


The Suter/Parise snub was at least 'understandable' given the same money/term from Minnesota and the connection the players felt. Having Niskanen, Boyle, and Erhoff walk away from potentially more money in Detroit (in some reports) is more concerning. The fault isn't all on Holland, for sure, but top management should be looking in the mirror and trying to determine how to get better regardless of where you lay blame.


And, as someone else points out, FA isn't the only key to success. You have to draft well, too. So how many top-6 forwards or top-4 defensemen has Holland picked up in the last six-seven drafts?


2008-09 - Gustav Nyquist

2009-10 - Tomas Tatar (maybe)

2010-11 - None

2011-12 - None

2012-13 - None

2013-14 - Anthony Mantha (projected)


Drafts are much harder to judge especially for a draft-and-develop team like Detroit. The Wings do have a couple kids who still project well, too. But a lot don't. They are bottom-six / bottom pair grinders. It's drafting by a team/GM which relies on supplementing his home-grown talent with pick-of-the-litter FAs. You can't draft grinders and then not come through on the FAs...


The Wings haven't been a team which settles for 'serviceable' over the past few years. Is that what Detroit is becoming? 


Jurco, Ouellet, Sproul say hi

That makes a rate of 1 a year since 08-09! Pretty sure that's better than most teams...especially considering we draft middle of the pack, low, or give away our first every year