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He's just trying to make the lyrics of Journey's "Don't Stop Believin'" more believable by creating "South Detroit".

More like "Chicago offered me a better long term deal!" Get over it, guys. Hossa didn't owe Detroit jack s***.

I believe it works like this: SC winner = 30 Runner-up = 29 Conference runners-up = 27 & 28 Then any remaining division winners take the next 2-6 picks After that, it goes in order by points, with the lottery winner moving up 4 spots max. Wings had the 7th most points, putting them in the 24th spot. But Philly, Montreal (conference finalists), and Buffalo (division winner) all move behind us, putting us in 21st.

Seriously f*** you leino

Chris Pronger -5. : D

Hartnell totally sucked earlier this season. I think the Flyers fans know better than you do.Why he didn't play good in Detroit THIS SEASON you mean? There's probably no single reason to explain that. The whole team underachieved at the start of the season. There were injuries and stuff going on and he lost his confidence. Like I said before, you don't just start working hard by snapping your fingers. Why didn't Dan Cleary play so well in his earlier teams? Why didn't Jussi Jokinen play well in Tampa? I really don't wish to go through this same conversation over and over again. You've obviously decided that Leino is lazy and sucks no matter what he does. We could ask about it from other teams' fans and I think their opinions would be kinda different. How can you even say something like "he's a streaky player but nothing special" if you haven't even watched him play a whole season. Like I said, I've watched him since -02. I think I know a little better what he is and what he isn't. You're just pissed that he sucked here and no you're trying to tell yourself that he's a bad player. I understand it, it's a normal reaction from a fan who lets his emotions control his ability of judgment. I can tell you though, that it wasn't gonna work here so you can just let it go and stop this already. No matter how hard you try telling it to yourself, it's not gonna chance the facts. And btw, I'm happy for him to even get to the NHL. That deal is a steal for the Flyers already, no matter if he even becomes a permanent NHLer. Don't you think it would be kinda boring if everyone were Crosby-fans? Also, I could say you're nothing special either. Your just sitting there at home, making s*** up on some internet forum to make yourself feel better.

WHERE THE f*** WAS THIS GUY? EMPTY DO DO DO DO DO DO DO DO DO DO DO DO DO!

Sutton as the 5th, there might need to be a trade

Hartnells always been a hard working player though, ur the one being blinded. Ville leino saved scott hartbell LOL. ''Then came ville leino'' lol Explain why Leino didnt play good in Detroit? Hes a streaky player, but hes nothing special, he will be a 3rd liner for most of his career, or a 2nd liner on a s***ty team.

Gives us something to talk about this year since the Wings are no longer in the playoffs.

LOL PRONGER ::D:DDDDDDDDDDDD

Honestly, I wouldn't even have an issue with Brendan Smith if it didn't happen multiple times. The kid's got tons of talent and it'd be a shame if it got wasted because he got wasted.

He lost against us, then said ''i i cant beat them join em!'' Then he lost with us and was like ''Chicago has a deep team'' and i hope he gets f***ed over again, joins a team to win the cup at the age of 40, loses, retires, and lives his life knowing he is a loser. Picture how good this will look, hossa losing again, him sitting on the ice, wondering what went wrong, this time he wll probably ball his eyes out

Sold!

Replacement for Meech perhaps? It was a clean hit and he was pissed that people were saying it was cheap. The reporters are the idiots.

Two guys so far. I doubt his attempts to remove pieces of the Wings organization and move them to Tampa will slow with time. This is the worst time for him to go after Wings assets. Just wait until the dust settles. If he's willing to go after people in the first week you can bet he'll be contacting more and more people over the next few years. Maybe you're ok with someone actively trying to disassemble the Wings organization using the inside knowledge they gained as an employee. I'm sure Tampa's ok with that because that's definitely in their best interests. As long as they guy screwing you is someone you loved as a player it's ok?

I honestly hope Yzerman stays away from trying to sign Wings management and employees for the remainder of his career in TB. If he becomes a vulture circling the management for the next 10 years it will definitely get on my nerves. The Wings let him move on and gave him their blessing. That doesn't mean it's cool for him to start picking away at this team's structure looking for people he can lure away from the Wings. Please Stevie-- leave Wings employees alone until they've clearly been released by the team. I'm tired of reading news clippings saying you've asked for permission to talk to X. f*** off with the poaching. There are 28 NHL teams a many more other pro hockey organizations to look for employees. Your inside knowledge of the Wings organization gives an unfair advantage (bordering on tampering) and raiding the organization that employed you for more than two decades is an extremely aggressive move to make against people that used to be your friends. Please move on and look for staff elsewhere... we just want to see our team left in peace.

Simple. Because he chose someone else. That in itself will make people think he is the anti-christ.

They chant Detroit sucks, but we don't even feel the need to acknowledge them. That says it all.

No where did I say he's been a s***head in these playoffs. He's just known as a goon. I'm still lost as to why people hate Hossa so much. Alot of reaching going on.

For those who are trying to figure out Bertuzzi's potential contract... Holland has signed Lidstrom and Holmstrom, and has stated he will make qualifying offers to all of his RFAs, all before turning his attention to Bertuzzi. This means our roster could potentially look like this when negotiations with Bertuzzi begin: FORWARDS Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($?.???m) Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Patrick Eaves ($0.550m) Justin Abdelkader ($0.893m) / Darren Helm ($0.659m) / Drew Miller ($0.578m) Kris Draper ($1.583m) Mattias Ritola ($0.517m) DEFENSEMEN Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($0.900m) Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Brian Rafalski ($6.000m) Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m) Derek Meech ($0.532m) GOALTENDERS Jimmy Howard ($0.717m) Chris Osgood ($1.417m) ROSTER: 22; CAP: $56.8m/$58.8m; PAYROLL: $55.467m; CAP ROOM: $1.333m/$3.333m So Bertuzzi's contract could be anywhere from $1m to $3m depending on the cap and RFA negotiations. Not unrealistic that he could be kept, but what role would he have? In the lines I listed above, I put together three strong scoring lines. However, two minor changes (Hudler and Franzen for Filppula and Bertuzzi) shift Bertuzzi to a role on a checking third line with a clear secondary scoring role, rather than a line that would be relied on for primary scoring.

see what leino does when he isn't surrounded by a bunch of old men . the wings were just holding him back from soaring

Salary cap

I think the Winter Classic curse is stronger, so the Flyers are doomed. This makes me sad.

I read somewhere(I believe thefourthperiod.com)that Malts is unlikely to be re-signed. What about Crosty?