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Neither. No reason #24 should be retired, imo.

I'd give it to Probert... the emotional factor weighs too much. But it won't be... it'll probably be held out of circulation for a long time though.

In Kenny We Trust. Indeed. Looks like this guy can hit and is decent on the point. Might have been an initiative by Babs? Maybe. But... IS THERE ANY WAY HE IS WORSE THAN LEBDA??

Maybe I am just selfish but I would hate for the Wings to share a arena

Shane Hdnidy then.. right-shooter as well.

Neither. But you know what, Probert has had his retirement moment at the Joe - when #19 got retired. The response from the fans then was of far more value to him then, than retiring his number is now.

Kind of sucks that Drew Miller has a current video up on Red Wings TV of him answering questions on how the team and his role on the team can be better next season.

Exactly. If you look at the 6 numbers that are up there, is there any way that Probert or Chelios can compare? I know one was a fan favorite, and I know that another played with us for 10 years. They had their ups and downs, and are beloved members of the Red Wings alumni, but neither had the kind of exemplary career that would warrant a number retirement. Had Cheli been drafted by the Wings, and played his entire career here, you *might* have an argument for his number, but that isn't the case, so it's a moot point. IMO, the current standard seems to be the best, and that is the standard that Yzerman set. I realize that that might be setting the bar a bit high, but isn't that kind of the point? Number retirement is the highest honor the Red Wings can give to a player. If you give it to #24 (either Probert, or Cheli), doesn't that then seem to cheapen it for the other absolute legends that are already up there? There are more Red Wings players in the Hall of Fame (49) than there are with retired numbers. IMO, that's the way it should be. The only current or former Red Wing right now that I would even consider as being worthy of number retirement is Lidstrom.

First of all Modano costs $1.25M not $1.75M. He is eligable for a 500,000 bonus but that will count against the 11-12 cap not the 10-11 cap. You are exaggerating his cap hit to make a point. Secondly, adding up Rafalski's and Lidstrom's ages to make your point is a little bit juvenile. Lidstrom at 40 is still arguably one of the best D-men playing the game so his age is not a factor. Much of the defensive problems last year were due to poor play by Lebda and Ericsson. Lebda is gone and Ericsson was a rookie who has a tremendous upside. There is no thought of replacing Ericsson. We don't NEED to sign another D-man this summer. Next summer if Lids retires then yes, we do but when that happens, we can use Lids money to sign a free agent. I agree with Babs and Kenny who know a hell of a lot more about it than anybody on this forum.

You're still here so apparently depth envy is in full swing.

"Hey Z, guess what!" "What?" "I'm back!!!" "Really?? YEAHH!!!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVI5NBcpn3w Skip ahead to 3:00

You guess this or?

How credible is that source?

Easy now let's not get to carried away here, Datsyuk is perhaps the best take-away artist of all time and the latter is Ritola.

what year was that?

No. The guy couldn't even stay in the Tampa Bay Lightning line-up.

Sundin was never a leader in my eyes. Gilmour had the fire to be a leader. In 02 when the leafs had that run to the confrence finals, they did so without Sundin, once he returned they played like s***. I've just always seen Sundin as a good player but not a great captain

What about Lilja? I think it's time he tried out his war cry move where the goalie just dives away from the net in fear, "THIS... IS... DETROIT!!!!!!!!!"

Please Kenny pass on this one.

Yes, how dare we discuss our biggest rivals and enjoy the absolute desecration of their sorry team this off-season? You may go now.

"Title to be determined." Holland must want to give Babcock time to fire McCrimmon before he reads it in the papers.

oh and btw, hopefully this team won't go into 15 shootouts or something like last year