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I'll reply with a picture story that says it all. Engagement photo Wedding: Honeymoon: I'm what I like to call passionate. She is borderline obsessive.

Pisani averaged more ice time than both Miller and Eaves. And while Edmonton was certainly terrible, neither Eaves nor Miller were playing with particularly great linemates all the time. May, Maltby, Draper, Helm, Abby, Williams, Leino...not that much different from Horcoff, O'Sullivan, Moreau, Gagner, etc. Miller may have played a bit with the likes of Flip and Cleary, but you're acting like he spent the year on the top line with Pav and Hank or something. And I'm not sure what kind of math you're doing, but Pisani was on the ice for 10 PPGA in 91:42 (~6.5/60 min). Eaves was 13 in 147:54 (5.3), Miller was 7 in 120:31 (3.6). Pisani is 33, hasn't played more than 56 games in the past three seasons. He had one decent season and a great playoff, and has been going downhill ever since. Miller is 26, coming off his first full season in the NHL, and makes only $150k more. Eaves is also 26, just had somewhat of a bounce-back season after two down years, and makes only $250k more. Not saying Pisani is terrible, or that it isn't a good signing. He's fine for a 4th line role. But I'd much rather have the younger guys without potentially problematic diseases, even if they do make a little more money.

BTW speaking of Datsyuk...i found his new theme song. Seriously i think it was made just for him.

I did too. There are more of us than you'd think. Wings fans that I encountered at the last Devils/Wings game at The Rock absolutely loved it.

wth are you talking about? thats not even where i was heading with this thread. the dude is the hurricanes team writer and knowing that and if you read what he put about us more slowly you can feel the bias that hes doing...it had nothing to do thinking dats should be rated higher or any of that.....slow your roll there buddy=) i thought it was funny to see what he put then seeing who he writes for thats it. nothing more. hahaha. what i got was he was saying if staal drops then so should dats.

Wow it was brutal to listen to that guy try and pronounce Detroit's players, i dont think he got any of them right...

He's saying that there's some little kind of bias that prevents Datsyuk from sliding at least a bit on these type of lists.

This is absolutely nothing like the Cleary / Eaves deal. Not even in the slightest. I question your hockey intelligence when you say off the wall stupid stuff like this. Cleary was 26 / 27 years old when Holland signed him; Pisani is 33 going on 34. Cleary played more games in one season than Pisani has played in the past two. Eaves was 26 when Holland signed him; Pisani is 33 going on 34. Eaves played more games in one season than Pisani has played in the past two. Imagine if Holland didn't re-sign Miller and Eaves, and instead used the funds to sign CheeChoo for $1 mil to round out the 4th line. LGW would have an epic meltdown, and rightfully so. But you would probably be here defending the signing because CheeChoo was awesome 4 years ago, while disregarding that his body and health is completely gone. Your posts make no sense.

It's sad, but the one thing that stood out from that article for me was that he's over 6 feet tall and over 200 pounds, but he's not physical. Yep, should fit in well with us.

Sounds like Mr. Nill needs a longer piece of rope for all those "nots".

omg we have more than one of him?! No but really, Nill doesn't seem that high on him, rather that he is out of options and he hopes Kindl turns out well.

You pick Lebda over Lilja?

I think he was holding out more for the role than the money. If another team would be willing to give him a chance he might have been able to prove that he does have that ability. Sad he won't be here this season since I just got his jersey in February, but I'll still wear it to games.

Killer pick-up line dude.

My wife was born and raised in Detroit and screams "Oh Yzerman!" during sex. esteef

My wife never gave a rat's ass about hockey (I would be weeping openly watching a gold metal hockey victory & she wouldn't give a second look). However,that all changed in 2008 when a local kid whose parents we know well was called up to the Wings. She immediatley became interested & as the kid won a regular shift & the Wings went to win the Cup, she never missed a moment. It got so good that she approved me buying the NHL center ice package so we could watch every game last season. She wants to buy NHL CI again this year & was just commenting how she can hardly wait for the season to begin.She says she misses Ken Daniels & Micky Redmond & even Doc Emry. The kid is Darren Helm & I can never thank him enough!!

So the NHL keeps adding more bonuses to their archive system, they now have Classic NHL Games. Here's an example. I'll look at putting more up as well as getting that 07/08 season done. I may end up moving everything to my website, so just a heads up. Pretty nice of the NHL to do this, they also added condensed archives of games showing all the highlights (roughly 20 mins total). Red Wings Archives of Classic Games No longer updating this list, moved to my site....see my profile.

Girlfriend? Wife? I'm 22 and in college, I don't usually stick around to see if their a fan.

you mean an average defenseman, who was HORRIBLE on our team didnt get another offer......weird. LIlja--you were out for forever with a concusion. do u expect a raise just because you came back? --and I will forever be confused as to why there is so much love for "the pain train" he is absurdly overrated and that nickname is laughable...good luck in the KHL, if it's still standing come start of the season.

I get what youre saying but I will be the first one to say...yes he can kill some penalties and block some shots. But there are soooo many times that I would watch Lilja, and E for that matter, and just laugh/scream/shake my head. I DO NOT GET THE LILJA LOVE. Ive heard from other players that hes a great guy....he probably is. But as far as out on the ice, Im a Lebda supporter before Lilja. it doesnt matter anymore since they're both gone. lets not be so quick to throw him under the bus --- I threw him under almost 2+ years ago long before the concussion. i just didnt see what was so big about him.

How dare he insituate that Datsyuk was not one of the top 4 best skaters in the leauge last season... seriously the nerve . Face it, everyone's entitlted to their own opinion and I am sure if you really think back at how he played in the regular season you cannot say with a straight face that he was as dominant as years past. He was still great, and easily a game breaking player, but if you think that he was among the 4 best players in the league last season, you are delusional. That's not to say he was a bad, or even should be anywhere close to the 30s as the guy comparing him to Stall suggested, but seriously guys lets get our blinders off here... he had a bad season, and if you don't belive me go re-read GDTs. You could tell he was tired, worn out, and for a portion of the season disinterested for a stretch of 20 or so games from December-Febuary.

I love how you conveinatly leave out Miller's 14 game stint with Tampa in which he recorded NO points and was a -3. Makes you wonder how much playing on a good team with a better record influences/motivates a player, huh? In addition, despite all of Pisani's injuries and inferior linemates his stats prorated would be mearly 3 points less of Miller's total production. When you factor in ice time and linemates, Pisani would almost have certainly surpassed Miller's production. Couple that with the fact that Pisani's goals agaisnt average per 60 min of pk time was FAR BELOW that of both Miller's and Eave's, despite being on a DRASTICALLY worse team, and it becomes harder and harder to argue that Miller outplayed him enough to warrent that much more money last year. You are looking at simply the stat line, instead of situational statistics such as quality of oppositsiton faced (hint... Pisani was the highest on the Oilers), and quality of linemates + Ice time. I suggest you dig deeper into the stats before you throw out ones that our clearly unfair to compare.

Considering both Eaves and Cleary were signed off what many considered "bad years" I feel it is a fair comparison for a risk vs reward type signing. Yes Pisani is older, but 34 is hardly considered washed up in the leauge anymore, and while he has had problems with injuries, it is not inconciviable for him to regain some of his old form. Seeing as Pisani WAS Edm's best Pker last year, and has shown comprabable offensive upside as Cleary was showing before he became a Wing (by 26 you generally have a good idea of how good a player will get, obviously not at it's peak, but a good idea), I really fail to see how this can't be used as a decent comparison. All 3 players were down on their luck for a few years after showing obvious potential, and then were signed to cheap, minimal contracts for a risk vs reward type deal. Seeing as how despite playing well below 100% with inferior linemates and Icetime, Pisani's ppg ratio was less then 3 points off of Miller's for the entire season (19 vs 16), I really don't see how you can make a claim that Miller was so good to warrant getting paid that much more then Pisani. If Pisani was given Miller's minutes and linemates, he would most probably have outscored him, and the gap between goals allowed per 60 minutes of penatly kill time would have most probably widened more in Pisani's favor. No one is expecting Pisani to be a superstar, or even hit 15 goals, but for a 500k signing, he sure as hell beats some AHL scrub. Also, please leave your ridiculous name calling out of this, and stop putting words in my mouth. To act as if I would want Chechoo here instead of Eaves and Miller is ridiulous,as is comparing wanting Pisani on the 4th line to wanting Cheechoo on the 4th line. For one Cheechoo never was a good penatly killer and suited for a bottom 6 role(which despite what his numbers show, is still a strong point for Pisani), as well as the fact that he would most probably demand far more money, and has dropped far higher from his peak then Pisani had.

Honestly, I'm surprised he is at 4th. For a long time there, he looked so disinterested in the game, especially when it was practically him and a bunch of AHL'ers.