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Give the guy a break. At least he didn't post something like "BAHAHA WE BEAT YOU!!" I thought we were supposed to welcome posters from other teams, as long as they don't troll the hell out of everything.

I'm considering offering you to the Jackets board in return for one fan who has been patient through all of their misery and would appreciate the s*** out of rooting for a team like the Wings. But I wouldn't do that to them, hell, I wouldn't even wish you on the Sharks.

Report me for what? I called you out for acting like a child, because you are in fact....acting like a child. I don't disagree that the Wings have needs. I do disagree with the way you come across and your simple-minded approach to GM'ing. Just because the Wings have needs (which they do), it doesn't mean Kenny should mortgage the farm for a single shot at the Cup this year. The reason the Wings are perennial Cup contenders is *because* Kenny doesn't give in to the knee-jerk reactions you specifically are calling for. Understand?

I would love Holland to make any kind of trade just to shut you up.

Where's Radulov?!!! esteef

As I said in the GDT arlier, Franzen is in his early 30's, meaning his work ethic is unlikely to improve at this stage in his career. His work ethic was great early on in Detroit, when he played on the 4th line and then had to prove himself on the top two lines. Since then, he has indeed been a floater. The reason people are upset about him, is that they see guys like Helm or Miller busting their ass off on every shift and want Franzen to do the same. They figure that Franzen + Helm's work ethic = 50 goal scorer every season. It's not entirely a bad argument.

I guess I am in the minority here so I'm sure the negs will follow... but honestly I don't think he is nearly as bad as folks are making out. Sure I would like a few more goals and some more consistency, but he gets bashed around here as though he is a 4th line scrub. He is leading the team in goals for the second straight year. Who makes up for those goals if he is gone? To me his cap hit is extremely reasonable for providing the goals he does, especially if you consider the current market and what players are going for nowadays. A large part of the Wings success at home this season has been due to Franzen. Yes, it would be awesome if he performed better on the road, but you could say that about the entire team right now. People always bring up Hossa>Mule, but honestly Hossa's contract is much worse than Franzen's, and he has had similar issues with health, consistency and is not a big playoff producer. Yes, Franzen plays on Datsyuk's line (not sure why that is a fault against him...), but he has also seen success with other linemates, and still led the team in goals last season despite Datsyuk missing significant time. As someone else mentioned, last year's playoff performance he was badly banged up the entire series, but the previous year he put up 18 points in 12 games against the same two teams. I think Mule is an easy person to point the finger at when everything isn't going perfectly, but really he is doing what he always has done. Even back in his breakout season, he was very streaky with the majority of his points coming in Feb and March, that's just the way it is with him in the regular season, and people seem to expect him to play more like a 7 million dollar player. I guess I just don't see how being on pace for 30 goals is such an awful thing, especially when nobody else on the team will even come close to that. He is not a 50 goal scorer, nor should he be expected to be, and nor does he get paid like one. I don't disagree with everything in the OP, but this is the way I see it. This playoffs will be an important test for him to see where his heart is, especially if he remains healthy and has no excuse.

Who is cutting onions here dammit

Bethann Salei: Her heart goes on

Nothing like getting some classic Wings video and Larry Murphy.

Dammit, I'm agnostic and don't even believe in that kind of "they're still with you and keeping an eye on you" but dammit if these stories don't get me

The Wings have put together a great season thus far. Filppula has emerged as the player we knew he could be. The third line is starting to mesh into a real force, the type you need to win in the playoffs. The back-end has shown sparks of brilliance prior to recent miscues. Datsyuk continues to prove time and again he is the elite among the elite, despite having less help than most national media think he does. Even a down season from Zetterberg has shown speed and effort which I believe will see him closer to 70 points than the 62 points he is on pace for. The real sore spot from game to game is the disappearing act of Johan Franzen. He has become a floater, getting away from the inside game that has made him successful in the past. His goals are not coming as easy as he seems to hope, coinciding with his lack of effort. For me, there are two categories Wings forwards have fallen into: 1) those who seem to put in the effort every night, pick up their linemates, and often seem to deserve more on the scoresheet than their linemates' play allows, 2) the passengers, the beneficiary, floating, showing little effort while allowing the first group to do all the work, often seeming to "pad" their stats on the backs of their more tenacious linemates. For me, Datsyuk and Filppula have proven themselves members of the first group. On the flipside, Hudler and Franzen are prime examples of the latter group. Franzen in particular has shown diminishing effort and thus diminishing returns since his 11-year contract was signed at the tail end of the 2008-2009 season. Watching his work ethic, or lack thereof, game in game out has to be a tremendous frustration for Wings coaching and management, as it is for fans. After a decent start to his season, Franzen returned to his inconsistent, uninterested ways: This season he is on pace for: 81gp 29g 31a 60pt (beneficiary of Datsyuk) In the last 22gp: 11pts 7g 4a -3 If his current play continues: 81gp 29g 27a 56pt Looking at Franzen's production and salary since prior to and after signing current contract: 08-09: .479g/gp .831pt/gp $1.15m 09-10: .370g/gp .778pt/gp $5.50m 10-11: .368g/gp .724pt/gp $5.50m 11-12: .358g/gp .741pt/gp $5.25m Last 22gp: .318g/gp .500pt/gp Based on his production prior to signing The Red Wings are paying for: 82gp 40g 29a 69pt Unfortunately, they are getting: 25-29g 41-60pt (based on slump-season) And what about his playoff performance? To me, Franzen's worth will always be measured 60%-75% by his playoff production and effort. But in this "what have you done for me lately" league, what has he done for the team lately? 10-11 playoffs: .250g/gp .375pt/gp previous three playoffs: .608g/gp 1.159pt/gp Is Franzen on a permanent downswing? To me, he is not the player the Wings are paying for and hasn't been since signing his "major contract". He is not getting any younger, has always been injury prone, and even when healthy, lacks the strength of character to sustain interest and effort throughout a season, let alone throughout the remainder of his career. Is there anything that can be done to correct his attitude? Would you be willing to trade him? If so, what would you want in return? Could he be packaged to acquire an elite scorer (Nash, etc.)? I'm not saying we should, or could trade him with adequate return, but the future is not looking fantastic for Franzen.

The Wings are kind of lacking at center with Emmerton as well.

If you don't like it you could always just leave. I doubt many tears would be shed over your constant trolling.

You must not post on HFBoards frequently, come back after a week of HFB and you'll understand.

You're team is only ahead because of overtime loses lol. Do you really feel the need to keep posting here?

kindl gives the puck over more than him... E hasn't been THAT bad, way better than kindl. Idk why u are all over E when we have such soft 4th liners, and roster

Goals scorers can be streaky if they do other things than score goals. Franzen doesn't. I've said it a million times, if Franzen isn't scoring goals, he isn't doing anything. That's his problem.

That is the inference from this post: You articulate no good trade that the Wings could make, nothing that has been offered that the Wings should but didn't accept, and everyone is agreeing that sellers prices are ridiculously high this year (at least up to this point). The problem is that since all you do is whine, complain, moan, flame, and generally do whatever you can to be negative (hence the -640 rating) no one gives you the benefit of the doubt that you might just this once be making a reasonable and rational proposition.

"Fans" like you are so ignorant and childish. You want a move just for the sake of having one, not necessarily because its the best thing for the team. You're like a child that spends his weekly allowance the day he gets it. Future be damned, just throw away all those picks/prospects to get SFT his f*cking minor toys. Sometime the best move is not making one, regardless of available cap space.

I believe you can use this link: http://veetle.com/index.php/channel/view#4f4b28dbab3fa

Franzen and a 1st for Nash isn't too much.....it's not enough. But either way he's not coming here and may be staying in Columbus til the offseason. As for a realistic trade getting Pominville would be insane but not likely Roy or Gaustad wouldn't be the sexiest trade but would help us with a subtle need: another center who can win the important faceoffs. Say what you will bit Draper was always an extremely talented center taking faceoffs and has been a void since he retired.

That's entirely too much Canucks footage to watch to find what the OP is talking about, but I will say this, problems involving bad icing calls can be reduced if no-touch icing was in effect. I'm just sayin...

My eyes are leaking for some reason.