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Larkin is a 2C on a good team. Every other center on this team is a 3C at best on a good team. Every bottom six winger on this team is fourth line at best on a good team. Chiarot is a bottom pairing guy on a good team. Petry and Holl aren't playing on a good team. Talbot is the backup on a good team.

Well, did we find joy in this season? Was it a close call? Are we filled with happiness or frustration? Nonetheless, the Wings are officially out of the running for playoff contention. Right now, they stand 11th from the bottom, with a 2.5% chance of winning the lottery. Should they intentionally lose the final three games to improve their position in the lottery? Should they send Kasper, Soderblom, and Edvinsson to Grand Rapids to assist in their potential victory? Should they trade the first-round pick to bolster the team in specific areas? Does Steve Yzerman sign more vets or change up and go youth this time? What will Patrick Kane do? Which player(s) get bought out? Waived? Traded? Do they keep the pick and draft another player that'll possibly be up in 3-5 years? It's time to start discussing the off-season! Here are the top 20 prospects according to McKenzie Also of note, Yzerman has 3 draft picks he has to sign this summer, or they become UFA's Liam Dower Nilsson - June 1, 2025 Red Savage - Aug 15,2025 Sam Stange - Aug 15, 2025

I dont truly know if its time to trade away a 1st for a NOW upgrade... but at the very least that move would be CLEAR DIRECTION for this team. It's fuqqing maddening to me, this fence sitting. Again we didnt make the playoffs. Again we sold nothing for futures. And again we are going into an offseason where SY will likely have to pay to get rid of his own trash. It's inexcusable. I dont know what direction is best. I tend to lean more towards conserving, and acquiring more futures, as long as we arent in the playoffs... but SY isnt doing that, so screw it, why not. Spend the picks. Go all in. Its better than acquiring more mediocre vets and missing the playoffs again... which we all know is exactly what SY is going to do... Imagine if we had actually sold last year... Walman, thats an extra 1st, now we have MBN and Cole Eiserman. Sprong, Ghostbear, Fabbri, Veleno... thats multiple extra mid round picks. This year we could have sold Ras, Berggren, and maybe even pitched getting Kane onto a contender. BOYYYYY IT SURE WOULD BE EASIER TO STOMACH SPENDING A 1ST TO GET A BYRAM IF WE HAD, YA KNOW, AN EXTRA 1ST TO SPEND say it with me folks... IF WE DONT BELIEVE ENOUGH IN THIS TEAM TO BOLSTER THE ROSTER AT THE TDL THEN WE DONT BELIEVE ENOUGH IN THIS TEAM TO HORDE EXPIRING CONTRACTS EITHER Im sick of this pathetic team and SYs bullspit these last two years. Are we watching the same teams? We clearly arent ready to compete for anything. The roster is soooo physically and mentally soft. After SY gets finished wasting our cap space and picks to get rid of his own roster trash this summer, so he can go shopping for his next round of mediocre plugs all over again, please for the love of all that is holy at least get plugs who have a little sandpaper on them. This team is so easily outworked, pushed around, and soft. Ras = little girl. Eddvinsson = wears sun dresses. For petes sake, the grittiest player on this team is a 5'6" little dwarf man named Debrincat. I wonder if its time to hand this team to Draper, or Horcoff, or Lidstrom. Sheit maybe even Fedorov, or someone else not in the org. If I'm Illitch... i just watched you panic sell your coach (likely to save ur own azz) and that worked for about 2 seconds... but in the end it only delayed the inevitable fall, which came, and now youre going into ur 7/8 season here, and still havent delivered me a single playoff birth. If SY isnt seriously being talked about needing to be replaced behind closed doors, i would honestly be shocked. And looking at our contracts I have zero confidence we can make the moves necessary to avoid this same outcome next year... sux to say, but i wouldnt be upset to see the captain dismissed at this point. Shame its come to this.

I agree with a lot of this! One thing I am mad about is, when is it time to trade a 1st for a player that immediately makes your team better? How many 1st round picks do we need right now? Giving away one in a package, for, lets say a Byram, isn't going to kill our draft capital in the future. Like you said, we'll be picking outside the top 10 again, so yippee! I think if we could package with the 1st, Ras, Berg, maybe a 3rd and/or a prospect like Viro or Tuomisto, it'd be worth getting a player like Byram. I've been off the Rasmussen bandwagon for a long time, he does need to go. He is easily replaceable from within. He doesn't even use his body. Another failed Holland pick. I do give Yzerman credit for his drafting, his 1st round picks are top notch! But again, using one, just ONE, to upgrade your team immediately would not kill them. We need younger, NHL players, under 25, now. That being said, I wouldn't mind if Yzerman threw a bunch of cash at Ekblad, but heck, he's only 29. I actually wouldn't mind if he traded for Stamkos. 3 more years at $8M isn't really that bad considering the cap going up in each of the next three years. I know he has a NMC, but considering that he was inches from signing the same contract with Detroit before Nashville, he'd probably waive it to come here. Send them Rasmussen in a package.

Been saying it for SEASONS with an S now... but we are again stuck in the mushy middle. Worse, we are not even inching into wild card spots... now we will pick outside of the top 10 instead of top 3 or top 5 (again). Its all so tiresome. The problem is the team literally has no direction. Are we a rebuilder? Are we a potential contender? SY seems to not know (or worse, not care). I have absolutely zero confidence in his ability to do anything of significance this offseason. In fact, I would probably be happiest if he cuts his losses and sheds contracts instead of "loading up" for another failed season... The roster situation is not good. We can shed Kane, Smith, and Petry this summer... but still we will not be able to make a reasonable pass at a significant impact player (like Marner). Its eerily similar to the late Holland era. Directionless. Handcuffed by bloated contracts. Poor on ice product. After Xmas Despicable Me got fired... Todd comes in and seemingly saves the season... and then all the wheels on the bus fall off (again). If SY hasnt read the tea leaves, and realized the problem is his roster, and not his coach, by this point, we are so epicly fuqqed... for a while... This team needs radical, and wholesale change. I think SY is one of the very few sports managers who likely has a leash long enough to admit that to his boss and not lose his job. Does he have the humility to actually do it? We will see. When I say radical change, i mean major moves. 1. Larkin has to go He's captained a group that continually falls short and dissapoints year after year. He's approaching 30... This isnt a playing days yzerman who wins scoring titles and wins cups late in life... This is a very mediocre run of the mill 1C at best. Illitch and SY have chained us to this poor excuse for a "leader" with his most recent contract, and hes a "hometown" jersey seller... so i doubt the org will have the nuts to move on from him... but again (and we toldyaso) everyone in the room knows we are not delivering a cup while he remains as the teams leader and focal point. I would regain a lot of faith in this org if they nutted up and sat Larkin down this summer and asked him where he wants to be traded. We love you. We appreciate all youve done. But its time for you to go run shotgun to a mackinnon while we retool. 2. Buyouts - Gus, Vlad, and Holl If we have to watch these three skate out onto Lil C ice this fall I will continue to punish u ppl with Lions threads. Bc that is all I will care about. SY - admit your mistake and send them packing - them remaining rostered will scream of hubris (and poor management). 3. Trade - Rasmussen Its been a fun experiment. But he is not the product advertised, or even particularly good at being the alternative player we tried to develop him into. Not trading him now - while he still has youth and value - will become another regreted toldyaso so moment in 2-3 years time. 4. Re-sign - no one Sorry Kaner. You're old and poor definsively. Go relax in your glory years on the next suckers roster. Further, the last thing this team needs is more plugs. Shedding would help more than adding. --------------------------------------------- Imagine this scenario: >larkin agrees to a trade, and we send him to his boyhood fan team the tronna leafs. In exchange we acquire the rights to negotiate with Mitch Marner. Leafs get a solid player with term, and we get a verified superstar they can no longer afford. >Ras is sent away for a solid young RHD. >We buyout the losers Unfortunately I dont think SY has a big enough peepee for any of this and will likely just add more crap ass players to the roster... honestly i wouldnt be mad if we went back to marc staal-esque moves and took on cap for picks. But its not likely. -------------------------------------------- Lastly, I wanna make one more point about the deadhorse walman and fabbri trades, that I thought about the other day... Its generally accepted at this point that SY was trying to clear cap for Stamkos, but - as reported - pizzabro didnt get back to him in time to approve the signing and we lost the player. No big deal. Im not mad about losing out on stammer. He's been mostly pizz poor for Nash. However, HOW DA FUQ did you not get approval from ur boss for this move months prior? Did SY literally not start checking who was available in FA until day of??? And why TF are you giving away picks and solid young players to clear space BEFORE getting approval to sign the player you want to do this for??? Im sorry fellow fans - but I really think SY has been a different manager since returning to Detroit. The hunger and dilligence are gone. Hes in retirement mode in a position he knows he can half ass and not be fired from. And hes built a nepotistic office of all his old buddies that are doing the same thing. 7 years. The savior is 7 years in and has not saved us from, nor accomplished, anything. Therefore my radical move #5 is fire yzerman. We are rapidly approaching that conversation and reality.