OFFICIAL: Todd Bertuzzi a Red Wing

[asmith18 3]

So a few people may hate me for this. but I'm glad Wings finally made some good moves. We need gritty players and Calder and Bertuzzi will fit in nicely.

Williams got the concussion and hasn't been the same. He's whined about playing time and instead of worrying about individual worry about the WHOLE team!

Look at last year when Tigers got criticized for getting Kenny Rogers and he ended up being a really nice guy. Besides camera guys can be annoying.

And yes Bertuzzi did do a sucker punch, but he hasn't done one lately. Preds and wings are taking a chance with a veteran and hopefully it works out.

GO WINGS!!!!

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

So a few people may hate me for this. but I'm glad Wings finally made some good moves. We need gritty players and Calder and Bertuzzi will fit in nicely.

Williams got the concussion and hasn't been the same. He's whined about playing time and instead of worrying about individual worry about the WHOLE team!

Look at last year when Tigers got criticized for getting Kenny Rogers and he ended up being a really nice guy. Besides camera guys can be annoying.

And yes Bertuzzi did do a sucker punch, but he hasn't done one lately. Preds and wings are taking a chance with a veteran and hopefully it works out.

GO WINGS!!!!

Amanda "graces" us with her presence. I dont think anyone will hate you for that, save for Vancouver Wings Fan.

[Offsides 21]

So a few people may hate me for this. but I'm glad Wings finally made some good moves. We need gritty players and Calder and Bertuzzi will fit in nicely.

Williams got the concussion and hasn't been the same. He's whined about playing time and instead of worrying about individual worry about the WHOLE team!

Look at last year when Tigers got criticized for getting Kenny Rogers and he ended up being a really nice guy. Besides camera guys can be annoying.

And yes Bertuzzi did do a sucker punch, but he hasn't done one lately. Preds and wings are taking a chance with a veteran and hopefully it works out.

GO WINGS!!!!

Indeed.

I think a lot of people agree with you and welcome Bertuzzi to the team!

[Houdini 0]

No, because we're not talking about pushing someone. Nice try though.

Ah, an obvious attempt to ignore my question. Nice try though.

It was a blindsided punch to the head, THAT'S WHY the result was worse. We're talking about a 6'3" 245 lb guy hitting someone as hard as he can in the back of the head without that guy expecting it.

Um did you even WATCH the incident? Bertuzzi was behind Moore but he reached around and punched Moore in the SIDE of the head. He NEVER hit him in the back of the head.

Moore didn't fall and break his neck. Are you seriously trying to claim it was the pileup (which wasn't on Moore's neck) that caused the injury, and not the punch to the head??? blink.gif

How do you know the fall didn't do it? I've seen people all sorts of injuries from their head hitting the ice. I'm also saying that I believe there's good chance that 2 or 3 200 pound guys jumping onto Moore's back/neck could have caused the injury, too. Why's that so hard to believe?

Which do you think is more likely to break someone's neck. An unexpected punch by a 6'3" 245 lb. hockey player to the back of the head, or a few hockey players piling on a guys body?

Gee, let's see, if Bertuzzi is 245 pounds, and the 2 or 3 other people landing on top of Bertuzzi are, say, an average of 200 pounds, then, yeah, that would be about 650 lbs of pressure on a guys back/neck. I'd say that can do some major damage, sure.

check the replay slick. no one landed on his neck. and see above for my answer.

This from the person who thought Bertuzzi punched Moore in the back of the head? Look at the replay. Bertuzzi lands on his back, with his forearms about on the back of Moore's neck. Then people pile on and you can see what is happening. Yes, I think they could have piled and on put some major pressure on Berts arms which were on Moore's neck.

And if a boxer came up behind his opponent and punched him as hard as he could when he wasn't expecting it, there would be a lot more broken necks.

Wait, what was it you said? Nobody is talking about a boxer hitting someone. Nice try though.

Seriously, if you at least looked at the video it sure doesn't look like Bertuzzi punched him as hard as he could. Look at his feet, his weight was on the same side foot as the arm that punched. I don't know about you, but I can hit a lot harder if I position my weight on the right foot than transfer the weight to the left as I swing. I'm sure Bertuzzi's just the same.

But I guess that's not as exciting as "he hit him as hard as he could", now is it?

Dragging Fedorov into the argument really has nothing to do with what Bertuzzi did.

It has to do with the fact that people have been comdeming Bertuzzi for that hit, but didn't seem to care when McCarty or Fedorov does the same.

And last time I checked, people's faces weren't on the back of their head, so no I don't call a punch from behind a punch to the face.

The side of the face is still the face.

you really need to watch some video. McCarty clearly jumped Lemieux, and Lemieux probably wasn't expecting it, but it wasn't from behind.

So if Bertuzzi was at the side of Moore when he punched him in the side of the face, then it would be OK? I don't understand why that would make a difference

Ahh yes, the weakest response by someone who doesn't have a leg to stand on. It's the "anyone who disagrees with me" either doesn't know hockey, or doesn't know the player, or is a homer... clap.gif \

Ahh no, the weakest response is when someone takes what I said and turns it into something completely different. WHERE did I say you didn't know hockey or the player? All I said was that you need to look at those incidents involving Wings players with the same objectivity as you do other players (or vice versa). But thanks for turning this into something it's not.

you need to quell your man-love for Bertuzzi if you seriously think that his hit was equivalent to what McCarty or Fedorov did.

Erm, now I'm ***? Let's keep this discussion civil, please.

Seriously. Are you from Vancouver or something?

I can't stand Vancouver... but I remember when the Bertuzzi incident happened, and everyone was up in arms about it. I was too, because I hated Bertuzzi (mostly because he was such a pain to the Wings). But once I started looking at the incident more objectively, I saw the major simularities between his hit and McCarty's.

But obviously to you it's completely different. I can see that nobody is going to change your mind about it.

- Houdini

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

So a few people may hate me for this. but I'm glad Wings finally made some good moves. We need gritty players and Calder and Bertuzzi will fit in nicely.

Williams got the concussion and hasn't been the same. He's whined about playing time and instead of worrying about individual worry about the WHOLE team!

Look at last year when Tigers got criticized for getting Kenny Rogers and he ended up being a really nice guy. Besides camera guys can be annoying.

And yes Bertuzzi did do a sucker punch, but he hasn't done one lately. Preds and wings are taking a chance with a veteran and hopefully it works out.

GO WINGS!!!!

Amanda! You need to post here more.

[Guest Crymson]

This all seems rather academic. When all is said and done, Bertuzzi will still play in a Wings jersey--presuming he is able to recover--for the rest of the playing year. What happened in the past has no bearing on this. Why bother?

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

blah blah blah

you seem to be a Bertuzzi apologist. If you seriously believe that some guys piling up on Moore's body actually broke his neck, or want to debate his foot placement and it's impact on the strength of his punch, then you're so far gone there's no point discussing the issue with you. Bertuzzi chased down Moore and suckerpunched him from behind, knocking him unconscious and breaking his neck. It's as simple as that.

Honestly I don't think the whole gutless cheapshot is much of an issue with Bert coming to the Wings anyway. My main concern is if he'll be back healthy enough to play, and if he'll be the power forward the Wings need.

Though I have a lot more respect for the Bert supporters who at least acknowledge what he did and say it's time to move on, instead of making these deluded assertions about it.

And I wasn't calling you ***. The man-love reference is yet another nuance you seemed to have missed. Like when guys here joke about having man-love for Zetterberg. It doesn't mean they want to have sex with him.

Anyway, it's all wasted breath on your deaf ears or thick skull, I can't tell which. And honestly I really don't care.

My prediction before the Wings signed Bertuzzi was that he would be a playoff disappointment. Now that he's a Wing, I hope I'm wrong.

oh, and learn how to quote posts.

Edited March 1, 2007 by haroldsnepsts

[CrazyCanuck 0]

Being a huge Canucks fan (I swear, the only one in Toledo!), this trade is really interesting to me. Vancouver got rid of Bertuzzi in the Luongo deal because he was a floater on the team, and there were locker room issues w/Crawford. Bertuzzi said he really enjoyed playing for Florida because he got a fresh start with a new team and noone really pays attention to hockey down there. Now that he is back in a HUGE hockey market, will he choke under pressure, again?

Only time will tell, and I hope he works out alright for you guys.

Go Nucks.

[superstarsingh 23]

Being a huge Canucks fan (I swear, the only one in Toledo!), this trade is really interesting to me. Vancouver got rid of Bertuzzi in the Luongo deal because he was a floater on the team, and there were locker room issues w/Crawford. Bertuzzi said he really enjoyed playing for Florida because he got a fresh start with a new team and noone really pays attention to hockey down there. Now that he is back in a HUGE hockey market, will he choke under pressure, again?

Only time will tell, and I hope he works out alright for you guys.

Go Nucks.

What are your views on Matt Cooke?

[eva unit zero 271]

I saw the major simularities between his hit and McCarty's.

Here's one major difference;

Naslund played the next game between the Avs and Canucks after bein downed by a legal hit. Draper's face was shattered by a blatant cheap shot and had to be wired back together. He couldn't do anything for six months.

[Guest Don Corleone]

LMAO. You think a punch to the face with a glove on is as bad/worse than a cross check to the face???

Um... ok...

- Houdini

Yeah, I'm funny that way. I think a cheap-shot punch to the head, breaking a guy's neck, ruining his career and altering his life is a little worse than a cross-check to the face where no appreciable damage occured.

Wow, you need a little reality check.

[Guest paveldatsukthenextsavard]

After having a night to sleep on it I've finally conjured a complete all-encompassing conclusion about this whole ordeal...

No one deserves to have their entire life judged by one moment. So I'm willing to give Bertuzzi another chance here in Detroit. I'm sure millions upon millions of people would be villified as well if the single lowest moment in their life was televised and performed in front of thousands of live spectators.

As for those who think he'll be a detriment to our team, you people need a serious reality check. Cut off at the knee's he'll still bring levels of physical play to our team far surpassing anyone else on the roster. The price was beyond reasonable as well.

quality post there

Yeah, I'm funny that way. I think a cheap-shot punch to the head, breaking a guy's neck, ruining his career and altering his life is a little worse than a cross-check to the face where no appreciable damage occured.

Wow, you need a little reality check.

oh yeah, because i'm sure bertuzzi, purposely angled his punch to break the guys neck

[Inultus 12]

Seriously guys, can you shut the f*** up about the Moore incident? The guy has paid his dues between not playing, not getting paid, having a 20 mil lawsuit over his head and listening to idiots like you squawk about him.

He wasn't trying to end anyone's career, I've seen WAY more vicious hits, Moore was just unlucky and that's that. Bert already served his suspension, so it should be over! Have some respect for the guy's privacy (as he asked).

Edited March 1, 2007 by Inultus

[dicksmack 33]

Shouldn't Bertuzzi be pronounced BERTOOTZIE Like Spezza and pizza?

[GuloGulo 0]

Shouldn't Bertuzzi be pronounced BERTOOTZIE Like Spezza and pizza?

Yes. double-z in Italian is a "tts" sound.

Bertoottsie

[eva unit zero 271]

oh yeah, because i'm sure bertuzzi, purposely angled his punch to break the guys neck

The punch knocked Moore out. It's pretty obvious on the replay that Moore is UNCONSCIOUS after he ins punched by Bertuzzi. The punch was not what broke his neck, though. That was when Bertuzzi grabbed Moore by the back of the head and drove him, headfirst, into the ice. The way Moore's head twists on impact is pretty conclusive as to the 'moment'.

As far as the argument 'Moore knew it was coming' Moore was watching the play and was skating up ice, away from Bertuzzi. Bertuzzi grabbed him, yanked him backwards, and proceeded to assault him.

You know, just FTR.

He wasn't trying to end anyone's career, I've seen WAY more vicious hits, Moore was just unlucky and that's that. Bert already served his suspension, so it should be over! Have some respect for the guy's privacy (as he asked).

Using your logic, there would be no sexual predators list in any state...you know...privacy and all.

Just to illustrate how flawed your thinking is.

[theman19 47]

i still can't believe we're talking about the moore incident still,....let it go

it has zero bearing on him playing now.

[Draperfan 104]

DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I COULD GET A BERT JERSEY

Ask Steve Moore,i think he collects them

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Seriously guys, can you shut the f*** up about the Moore incident? The guy has paid his dues between not playing, not getting paid, having a 20 mil lawsuit over his head and listening to idiots like you squawk about him.

He wasn't trying to end anyone's career, I've seen WAY more vicious hits, Moore was just unlucky and that's that. Bert already served his suspension, so it should be over! Have some respect for the guy's privacy (as he asked).

You're right.

I guess we should've shut up about the Claude Lemieux thing too. Draper was just unlucky. If he had better balance he wouldn't have gone headfirst into the boards like that.

Claude served his two game suspension. We should've respected his privacy. I apologize to Mr. Lemieux and his family for disparaging his name for what was just an unlucky hit.

[Draperfan 104]

You're right.

I guess we should've shut up about the Claude Lemieux thing too. Draper was just unlucky. If he had better balance he wouldn't have gone headfirst into the boards like that.

Claude served his two game suspension. We should've respected his privacy. I apologize to Mr. Lemieux and his family for disparaging his name for what was just an unlucky hit.

Edited March 1, 2007 by Draperfan

[CUJO#31 0]

I don't really like Bert, but I agree we need someone who can stand up for our guys and not be afraid to really protect our players. If that means we have to recruit a goon, so be it. Without some grit, we will get run over in the post season by teams who really play with passion and stand up for each other. Nice move!

[puckloo39 5,686]

I don't really like Bert, but I agree we need someone who can stand up for our guys and not be afraid to really protect our players. If that means we have to recruit a goon, so be it. Without some grit, we will get run over in the post season by teams who really play with passion and stand up for each other. Nice move!

I guess I don't think of Bertuzzi as a goon. He's big and tough, and obviously doesn't know his own strength, although he may have learned about it the hard way. If nothing else, the vision of a glowering, unhappy Bert might make players with evil intentions think twice about roughing up one of our guys or running the goalie.

I certainly don't expect a repeat of the Moore incident. I believe it was an accident, one which Bertuzzi sincerely regrets. I like the concept of other teams recognizing the fact that we now have a player who won't back down from a fight and who will stand up for his team mates. We'll need that to survive, especially in the playoffs.

[eva unit zero 271]

I don't really like Bert, but I agree we need someone who can stand up for our guys and not be afraid to really protect our players. If that means we have to recruit a goon, so be it. Without some grit, we will get run over in the post season by teams who really play with passion and stand up for each other. Nice move!

Which do you want, grit or a goon? You can't have both...

[wingslogo19 281]

BERT IS A RED WING GET OVER IT, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT CHEER FOR SOMEONE ELSE

[Guest Don Corleone]

i still can't believe we're talking about the moore incident still,....let it go

it has zero bearing on him playing now.

Wonder what kind of bearing it has on Moore playing now? Oh wait, Moore can't play because cheap-shot BertuSHE broke his neck.