lets go pavel 2 Report post Posted June 22, 2007 Wow ... if they keep this up, it looks like Nashville will be joining the ranks of St. Louis, Columbus, and Chicago, which means an even louder chorus of haters saying we suck and we only have a good record because we play in a s***ty division ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted June 22, 2007 Nashville is a shame for NHL... Hamilton Predators in 2008-2009 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jwo 7 Report post Posted June 22, 2007 I think it's pretty safe to say Giguere led that team to the SCF. And when did I ever question his heart or talent? The argument was based on his toughness and ability to stand up to bigger, grittier teams. Lets face it, little Paulie would've ran into the dressing room during the final minutes of game 5 in the Calgary series with his tail between his legs... I was shocked when I heard. They should of traded Mason instead of Vokoun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DetroitIan Report post Posted June 22, 2007 Nashville is a shame for NHL... Hamilton Predators in 2008-2009 Right on brotha! I was shocked when I heard. They should of traded Mason instead of Vokoun. Yeah no s***. WTF were they thinking??? Absolutely retarded move. They could have got something decent back for Mason. This is hilarious! Bye Bye Nashville. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted June 22, 2007 Wow. They are seriously dismantling that team. Positioning themselves to rebuild for wherever the team ends up, I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BringHomeTheCup! 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2007 Right on brotha! Yeah no s***. WTF were they thinking??? Absolutely retarded move. They could have got something decent back for Mason. This is hilarious! Bye Bye Nashville. I don't think this was the best move for Nashville to make. But in their eyes, they just want to cut payroll. Appearently at any cost. I think they got exactly what they wanted out of this deal - they lose a big contract, and don't commited to anyone in return. They got some solid picks. Florida is perrenially at the bottom of the league, which translates into top of the draft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted June 22, 2007 I think it's pretty safe to say Giguere led that team to the SCF. And when did I ever question his heart or talent? The argument was based on his toughness and ability to stand up to bigger, grittier teams. Lets face it, little Paulie would've ran into the dressing room during the final minutes of game 5 in the Calgary series with his tail between his legs... I'm not really a Kariya fan, but as was mentioned, the guy got his lights knocked out by none other than Scott Stevens, came back and scored a goal. That's pretty friggin tough for a little guy. I don't remember Kozlov or Lindros coming back and scoring a goal after Steven's rearranged their grey matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Earthhuman 8 Report post Posted June 22, 2007 Holland should get in on this. Legwand please! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mannysBETTER3434 1 Report post Posted June 22, 2007 I can't believe this trade. I never saw this coming, or even read any rumors on this. Oh well I'm not complaning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A.T.Hun 0 Report post Posted June 23, 2007 The Wings should hang up the 07-08 Central Division champions banner right now though. No kidding. I think I'm going to nap through the regular season. I'd imagine this won't help attendance at the Joe either. Nashville management seems to want to ensure that they won't hit those attendance targets next year. What a mess. I feel bad for Predly fans. No really, I do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted June 23, 2007 I smell smoke. *flicker* Uh oh! It looks like a fire! Not just an ordinary fire though. A fire sale! Wow. They are seriously smashing that team into pieces. Now, if they trade Arnott, Legwand, Radulov, or someone else of important value, there really is a problem! I mean, Chris Mason is a capable NHL goalie, so this deal makes a little sense in that view. Still though, I'm senseing a fire sale here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted June 23, 2007 What a shocker! Oh well. I must say, I fell pretty bad for the fans though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skacore 2 Report post Posted June 23, 2007 I'll take Shea Weber plz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Production Line 1 Report post Posted June 23, 2007 Total shocker...We should have the Cent Div title for years to come...CBJ, STL, NSH and CHI...Now watch out Toronto will want back in... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grind_Lines_#1_Fan 0 Report post Posted June 23, 2007 this is really good to see, who do they have now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Production Line 1 Report post Posted June 23, 2007 this is really good to see, who do they have now? In goal, Mason. On the ice kids and retreads...What UFA would want to resigh there? I heard an interveiw that nash was gonna spend at the league minimum...And NO WAY were they moving this coming yeay...DUUHH you only sold about 14,000 a night when youe had all those stars and battleing for 1st place...Gut the team give no promices and league minimum...good luck selling 7,000 tickets... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted June 23, 2007 In goal, Mason. On the ice kids and retreads...What UFA would want to resigh there? I heard an interveiw that nash was gonna spend at the league minimum...And NO WAY were they moving this coming yeay...DUUHH you only sold about 14,000 a night when youe had all those stars and battleing for 1st place...Gut the team give no promices and league minimum...good luck selling 7,000 tickets... Arnott, Legwand, Radulov, Weber, Hamhuis (sp?), Mason. Those aren't exactly retreads. Still though, if guys like Ramzi Abid are going to be logging big minutes now, it might be safe to use "retread" as a describing word. That roster is only getting shorter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vangvace 12 Report post Posted June 23, 2007 Great deal for Florida. Theyve gotten their goaltending back. Hes no Luongo, but hes a top 10 in the NHL for sure. Perfect timing too. With Horton, Bouwmeester, and a few other youngsters really starting to come on, and Jokinen of course, the Cats wouldnt be a surprise for the playoffs. I wouldnt be surprised to see Ballsille uses these picks to get some talent back once he moves his team to Hamilton, assuming the picks are post 08. As for Nashville, they still have Weber, Suter, Arnott, Radulov, Dumont, Sullivan, and the list goes on. On top of that Mason was starting to rival Vokoun as it was and hes a very strong talent in net. Florida to the SCFs. The fix is in! (Just Kidding) Balsillie doesn't have a say yet, looks like he'll have to find another team to buy(again). Then again who knows what tomorrow is going to bring. Nashville's going to be a fine squad still this year. They traded away the rights to 2 players that were going to be UFA. The Vokoun trade does make sense to me as well. I have a feeling that they're going to be active come July 1. They have the cap space now to be a major player this offseason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Legionnaire11 0 Report post Posted June 23, 2007 okay, my thoughts. if it sounds bad, it's because i'm just copying my response from the Flyers boards where their fans are much less knowledgable of the preds than you guys are. I hope it helps clear a few things up. and most importantly, don't feel bad for me or any other preds fans. In general, we're taking everything very well, and the Vokoun trade has been speculated on for a week now, so it's no shock. okay, now my response... First of all. There is no firesale going on. Timonen and Hartnell were going to command too much on the open market even if there were no sale going on. We didn't trade them. We traded their rights, and got a first round pick back. Vokoun, well lets see, the team has no third line, and onle 5 proven defensemen. But we have two goalies with stats that were dead even last year. Except one guy makes almost $6M and the other only makes $1M... which one are you going to keep? Next i'd like you to say hello to the cap minimum. We're sitting somewhere around $8M under the cap floor with 5-6 players left to sign. you can see that we will be replacing vokouns salary, plus another $2M. last, spending to the cap floor doesn't mean that the team is tanking in an effort to move. balsillie couldn't care less about the team's record or attendance. If he can buy his way out of nashville he will. What this really tells us is that the sale is not likley to go through, and Leipold will be stuck with the team for at least next season. So to minimize his losses, he's only spending the minimum. It's actually good news for Nashville. As for hitting 14k, if you think we won't, then you're just not paying attention. We were only off by 200 tickets last season. And since the sale was announced we've had a huge surge in season tickets sold. Our Team Nashville is reportedly doing VERY well in their bold attempt to sell 3,000 new season tickets by the end of the summer. Plus the grassroots effort from the fans that is generating a lot of new ticket sales (one individual fan has personally accounted for 98 new season tickets being sold, he's ridiculous, lol). All of this before we've even had our rally/ticket drive later this month. At this point we're not aiming for 14,000 anymore, we're shooting for 16,000. any questions, feel free to post them and i'll answer to the best of ability. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scotzman 29 Report post Posted June 23, 2007 This entire thing makes less and less sense... http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=211577&hubname=nhl http://www.therecord.com/home_page_front_s...ry_1080382.html Why do all this? The current owner must be a total nut job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted June 23, 2007 okay, my thoughts. if it sounds bad, it's because i'm just copying my response from the Flyers boards where their fans are much less knowledgable of the preds than you guys are. I hope it helps clear a few things up. and most importantly, don't feel bad for me or any other preds fans. In general, we're taking everything very well, and the Vokoun trade has been speculated on for a week now, so it's no shock. okay, now my response... First of all. There is no firesale going on. Timonen and Hartnell were going to command too much on the open market even if there were no sale going on. We didn't trade them. We traded their rights, and got a first round pick back. Vokoun, well lets see, the team has no third line, and onle 5 proven defensemen. But we have two goalies with stats that were dead even last year. Except one guy makes almost $6M and the other only makes $1M... which one are you going to keep? Next i'd like you to say hello to the cap minimum. We're sitting somewhere around $8M under the cap floor with 5-6 players left to sign. you can see that we will be replacing vokouns salary, plus another $2M. last, spending to the cap floor doesn't mean that the team is tanking in an effort to move. balsillie couldn't care less about the team's record or attendance. If he can buy his way out of nashville he will. What this really tells us is that the sale is not likley to go through, and Leipold will be stuck with the team for at least next season. So to minimize his losses, he's only spending the minimum. It's actually good news for Nashville. As for hitting 14k, if you think we won't, then you're just not paying attention. We were only off by 200 tickets last season. And since the sale was announced we've had a huge surge in season tickets sold. Our Team Nashville is reportedly doing VERY well in their bold attempt to sell 3,000 new season tickets by the end of the summer. Plus the grassroots effort from the fans that is generating a lot of new ticket sales (one individual fan has personally accounted for 98 new season tickets being sold, he's ridiculous, lol). All of this before we've even had our rally/ticket drive later this month. At this point we're not aiming for 14,000 anymore, we're shooting for 16,000. any questions, feel free to post them and i'll answer to the best of ability. Legion, maybe everything you say is true. However, when you take away all of the explanations and contract speculation you're left with one undeniable, glaring set of facts. 1. Your team has traded away its top defenseman and captain, one of its best young power forward-type players and your #1 goaltender. No team in the NHL is currently shedding as much of its core talent as Nashville. 2. Who is being added to make the team better? Nobody is the correct answer. Again, only speculation that they might pick up somebody. No matter how you slice it, when you trade away (or the rights if you want to get nitpicky) a Timonnen a Hartnell and a Vokoun, you're selling off the farm there bro. The Preds may not be "packing it in" just yet but they're doing everything they can to minimize payroll and they're icing a far less talented team than they did last year. What does all this tell us? That Nashville is not a good city for an NHL team. On the heels of its best season ever the team is up for sale, its best players are being traded away, no real talent has been signed and even Preds fans speculate that if Leipold does hold onto the team all he's doing is "minimizing his losses" by keeping the Preds cap down. Not exactly the sign of an owner who is all that interested in holding onto a lemon. You're keeping your chin up which is certainly commendable but reality has got to kick in here somewhere. This team is being torn apart and whether it be this year or next, you aren't going to have a team in Nashville for much longer. Enjoy it while it lasts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedFX 48 Report post Posted June 23, 2007 Legion, maybe everything you say is true. However, when you take away all of the explanations and contract speculation you're left with one undeniable, glaring set of facts. 1. Your team has traded away its top defenseman and captain, one of its best young power forward-type players and your #1 goaltender. No team in the NHL is currently shedding as much of its core talent as Nashville. 2. Who is being added to make the team better? Nobody is the correct answer. Again, only speculation that they might pick up somebody. No matter how you slice it, when you trade away (or the rights if you want to get nitpicky) a Timonnen a Hartnell and a Vokoun, you're selling off the farm there bro. The Preds may not be "packing it in" just yet but they're doing everything they can to minimize payroll and they're icing a far less talented team than they did last year. What does all this tell us? That Nashville is not a good city for an NHL team. On the heels of its best season ever the team is up for sale, its best players are being traded away, no real talent has been signed and even Preds fans speculate that if Leipold does hold onto the team all he's doing is "minimizing his losses" by keeping the Preds cap down. Not exactly the sign of an owner who is all that interested in holding onto a lemon. You're keeping your chin up which is certainly commendable but reality has got to kick in here somewhere. This team is being torn apart and whether it be this year or next, you aren't going to have a team in Nashville for much longer. Enjoy it while it lasts. Poile straight out said that Leipold no longer wishes to be the owner. He said he's just keeping the salary down to cut his losses. He probably won't have it for much longer, wether it be Balsillie or anyone else. You could kinda see the Vokoun trade coming. Mason really stepped it up last year and proved he is capable of the number #1 spot. He had the better GAA and Save percentage and is roughly 4 million a year cheaper. Add Vokoun's injury-ridden past and it became clear that his time was coming to and end. It was kind of an unspoken consensus that the playoffs would determine Vokoun's fate in Nashville. Another thing to throw in to this is the no-trade clause. Vokoun had to approve the trade, so it's pretty clear he knew either a.)he wouldn't be the number 1 next year, or b.)he had doubts about the longevity of the franchise. And I said this earlier, but Nashville still has alot more talent than people realize. Their top two lines are still in tact, as well as 4 of their top 5 defenseman. They won't have as much depth as they had the past two years, but they still have a team capable of beng a contender. Don't count these guys out just yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vangvace 12 Report post Posted June 23, 2007 Legion, maybe everything you say is true. However, when you take away all of the explanations and contract speculation you're left with one undeniable, glaring set of facts. 1. Your team has traded away its top defenseman and captain, one of its best young power forward-type players and your #1 goaltender. No team in the NHL is currently shedding as much of its core talent as Nashville. 2. Who is being added to make the team better? Nobody is the correct answer. Again, only speculation that they might pick up somebody. No matter how you slice it, when you trade away (or the rights if you want to get nitpicky) a Timonnen a Hartnell and a Vokoun, you're selling off the farm there bro. The Preds may not be "packing it in" just yet but they're doing everything they can to minimize payroll and they're icing a far less talented team than they did last year. What does all this tell us? That Nashville is not a good city for an NHL team. On the heels of its best season ever the team is up for sale, its best players are being traded away, no real talent has been signed and even Preds fans speculate that if Leipold does hold onto the team all he's doing is "minimizing his losses" by keeping the Preds cap down. Not exactly the sign of an owner who is all that interested in holding onto a lemon. You're keeping your chin up which is certainly commendable but reality has got to kick in here somewhere. This team is being torn apart and whether it be this year or next, you aren't going to have a team in Nashville for much longer. Enjoy it while it lasts. 1. If you can't resign the player, but can still get something for nothing. What is wrong with that? As far as Vokoun goes, it wouldn't have surprised me if they would have played more of a tandem role with Mason or lost his spot all together. They're now `$8mil under the cap an will be able to make a better run at players in the free agent market. 2. In reality it's the same thing for every other team in the league till Jul 1. Well, except for Philly and maybe Toronto. Hell, for that matter how many teams have resigned most of their UFA yet? Honestly, if they are going through a fire sale, which I doubt. Then how is what Nashville is doing any different than Chicago? At least their games can still be seen on TV without pay-per-view. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted June 23, 2007 Legion, maybe everything you say is true. However, when you take away all of the explanations and contract speculation you're left with one undeniable, glaring set of facts. 1. Your team has traded away its top defenseman and captain, one of its best young power forward-type players and your #1 goaltender. No team in the NHL is currently shedding as much of its core talent as Nashville. 2. Who is being added to make the team better? Nobody is the correct answer. Again, only speculation that they might pick up somebody. No matter how you slice it, when you trade away (or the rights if you want to get nitpicky) a Timonnen a Hartnell and a Vokoun, you're selling off the farm there bro. The Preds may not be "packing it in" just yet but they're doing everything they can to minimize payroll and they're icing a far less talented team than they did last year. Agreed. For picks or not, the Preds gave up two of their best players and now their starting goaltender. This is a massive salary dump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vangvace 12 Report post Posted June 23, 2007 Poile straight out said that Leipold no longer wishes to be the owner. He said he's just keeping the salary down to cut his losses. He probably won't have it for much longer, wether it be Balsillie or anyone else. I wonder if his no longer wanting to sell to Balsille opens up the sale to the local group that was interested... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
