grigorenko

[Spongewingredpants 75]

where did this Mr. Sandman come from. he reminds me of Timothy McVeigh

[bringback91 2]

Nice try at throwing my statement out of context

It was a jokey howdy, A JOKE!

Nevermind... I'm done with you. You're grabbing at straws. lol

Grabbing at straws? And how was it taken out of context, that was the whole post? Anyway....

Funny how you seem to skim over valid points and questions rasied cause they don't fit into your "I must hate Grigs" mold. Whatever you've proved your entire insight into the situation is just to spew some baseless crap on the screen while avoiding all legit questions. Good glad your "done with me" as GST says "take your ball and go home".

[Izzy24 44]

Case in point:

My skills are playing heavy metal guitar. Lets say the manager of Rammstein's offered me to play guitar for them in 6yrs and have a good opportunity of making over 4 million a year.. or more.

6ys later, I show up for the first practice not understanding a word they speak or have any idea what kind of riffs they play, because I didn't bother taking a minute out of the past 6ys to study or condition for their music.

Should they send me over to their trainers and specialist, pay me 1 million and hope for the best?

Or should they say F*CK YOU Chaz, go home you obviously don't care to be here?

I pick the second.

Yeah, because WE ALL know NHL is in Russia

Who is your favorite NHL Russia team? LMFAO!!! dumbass

Why would they call you "Chaz?"

[Zata fan 40 6]

its a good thing they don't let any of you people run a hockey team, or grigs would be on a plane back to russia after 3 games THREE games.. in a league he's never played in and in places he has never been.. and how many have even seen him in an actual game situation in GR?

Exactly. Making a judgment on three games that have happened in a two week time span. With games widely spread apart. Let's make a decsion on him already. It's almost comical how people are dumping him to the wayside already. I'm sure glad Holland is the one making decsions....

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

It's way too early to give up on Grigorenko, with as much potential as he has.

But I will say this, he sure did start off on the wrong foot.

[norrisnick 1]

I don't agree with your point. As I think several others don't as well...

He came into the National Hockey League like he didn't care. Nor did he take time out of the past 6yrs to prepare for the National Hockey League.

Bottom line, action speak louder than words. All he has proven was that he's careless to the game, no work ethics or discipline.

I for one am not supporting dead weight on the roster.

Don't take my word for it, we'll know November 1st what he is all about.. I'll bump this thread then either I eat crow or others eat crow. However, to this point, it isn't looking good for the kid.

Probably because he wasted a lot of his time trying to recover from a nearly fatal car crash.

[Jooks91 0]

so all-in-all, adding a scoring winger to a second or third line that needs help, and forcing opposing teams to spread their defensive depth is gonna hurt us how,exactly?

we paid 850k for a guy that theoretically could blow the roof off the joe. the down side is " he's not lang and he sucks"

Ok so he is outta shape, that's why he's in GR for cryin out loud! bab's himself said great things happen when he's on the puck ... jeez, give him a whole month before we tar and feather him.

[T.Low 1,011]

what's the word on grigs? how is he looking in gr? anybody know. any chance of him coming up before november, and if not, will he go back to russia? i only ask because it'd be wonderful right now to have the next ilya kovalchuck winging the second line.

i'm guessing since i haven't heard anything about him that it's not good news.

Correct me if I'm wrong, here, but when I look at his career numbers , its not like Grigorenko has been lightin' the lamp like a scoring machine. I mean, his numbers are good , but definitely not great. Therefore, I guess the Wing's scouts see an awful lot of unrealized potential that they think can be groomed similar to the Datsyuk and Zetterberg processes. The Wings have obviously been great at drafting talent before it blossoms and is then seen by every other team too.. That seems to be the case with Grigorenko too, but for various reasons, it may not pan out. I have no expectation that Grigorenko will contribute any real numbers this year. Believe me, I would like to be pleasantly suprised, but I don't expect to be.

I think many have gotten emotionally attatched to the image of Grigs created by all the hype, and are now frustrated and feel letdown.

[eva unit zero 271]

I don't agree with your point. As I think several others don't as well...

He came into the National Hockey League like he didn't care. Nor did he take time out of the past 6yrs to prepare for the National Hockey League.

Bottom line, action speak louder than words. All he has proven was that he's careless to the game, no work ethics or discipline.

Grigorenko was nearly killed in a severe auto accident in May 2003. Doctors only gave him a ten percent chance of SURVIVAL. He worked hard to get back in shape, and played in Russia's third-tier league in December. He had another surgery that January, and played three playoff games in the top Russian league. So we're talking about basically a year off from hockey before he got back in MINIMUM game shape...and we're now talking Spring 2004. Grigorenko has been working the pats three and a half years to just get back to where he was before the accident. The suggestion that because he's not in perfect form means he's lazy and has no work ethic is totally disproven by how hard he has worked the past few years to make it back. Sorry, but you fail.

[Jooks91 0]

I don't know about y'all,

But last I checked, these boards were opinions, right? I don't plan on changing anybodys opinion on jack-dammit, that's the player being discussed's job. So I'm not really worried that Griggs has a couple crapy games and hasn't been pushing himself for a big shiny trophy quite yet. The car accident has been covered, and so has the blood clot thing (whatever).

Our talent scouts with their voodoo have found us as an organization some unholy talent in the last 20 years, and griggs could be a flop, or the next homer, dats or Z. That's where hope comes from, that's what brings us back game after game, the rejoicing when we whupped up on the "nordiques" after drapes got his head broke. When the cup got handed to vladdy in his wheelchair, didn't we holler and jump up and down? Why were we crying when stevie said goodbye? The wings have had so many successful seasons in recent history that we are jaded.

The trashers are falling apart defensively, and we're bitchin about who sucks more, lebda or kronner. each would do reasonably well as 1st or 2nd line D for those guys.

let it ride, man.

[GSBrooks13 204]

I havent seen a lot of Griggs but I have seen enough to know that everyone saying he is lazy and doesnt have any motivation obviously have very little sense.

Maybe he is going to be a flop, there is no way for us to know for sure what he can do. So what he hasnt played at an all star level in his first few games and im not going to use his accident to defend him. In my mind he proved how much he wants to play for Detroit by moving far away from his home and then realising he wasnt likely to make the team out of the pre season he dropped his gloves and fought for it.

Who cares about the hype. I seriously dont think he will be going back to Russia this year or next year whether or not he ends up on the main roster at all this season.

His conditioning will improve playing in GR and when he is in NHL condition I expect him to make an impact in the NHL.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Remember Bykov? I loved that KID. He was an amazing Defenseman. I hated to see him go... but he didn't want to play here.. just like I don't think grigs wants to play here.

Bykov was terrible. I was glad to see him go, I really didnt think anyone liked that guy.

[Andy Pred 48 337]

when some people on here can finally realise that Grigs attribute's aren't lightning speed then maybe they will see things a little more

clearly. I think alot of fans thought we were getting the next Bure or

Mogilny!! Lets put things into perspective here; the guy was drafted

62nd overall. He wasn't a 1st round draft pick.He has never projected to be a superstar player for the Wings. A solid 2nd line forward maybe and that at present is what the Wings need. His stock rose after

having a great Worlds playing on a line with Dats and Kovalchuk in

02-03, then he had the accident.

The guy has great hands and on ice vision. He knows where and when

to be in position which are great skills for a goalscorer. Lucky Luc had

that knack and he wasn't the fastest guy on the ice. I'm not comparing the 2 just expressing that speed isn't the be all and end all. Babs and the rest of the coaching staff know this, thats why he'll be on the roster before xmas. They have got to know what he can do before any concrete decision is made about his future with Detroit. Holland has said that he'll be in Detroit before Nov 1st, well that ain't to far away but its another 2 weeks for Igor to become better aquainted to life in NA hockey, I think that is 5 more games with the Griffs. The last one being on the Sun 28th, the same day the Wings head out on the 3 game road trip to Canada. I've got a feeling that the Wings may have 2 Russian's on the roster for that trip.

[Stu in Israel 0]

"Bykov was terrible. I was glad to see him go, I really didnt think anyone liked that guy."

Sorry Detroit #1 fan, but you're wrong. Bykov played with the Wings immediately, just like Franzen (who's a forward of course), and was praised by the coaching staff. Detroit wanted to get him back, but the price for prying him away from his Russian team was just too steep. True, he may feel more comfortable in his native land and tongue, but the Wings DID want him back.

[Hank 0]

Grigs when he found out he was drafted by the Wings.

[GSBrooks13 204]

Grigs when he found out he was drafted by the Wings.

Well if that is indeed the case I dont see why everyone is so pissed.. Judging by that picture I would say Grigs has literally been working his ass off to get in game shape..

[Grittzkey 1]

Probably because he wasted a lot of his time trying to recover from a nearly fatal car crash.

Horrible Excuse

[vangvace 12]

Grigorenko was nearly killed in a severe auto accident in May 2003. Doctors only gave him a ten percent chance of SURVIVAL. He worked hard to get back in shape, and played in Russia's third-tier league in December. He had another surgery that January, and played three playoff games in the top Russian league. So we're talking about basically a year off from hockey before he got back in MINIMUM game shape...and we're now talking Spring 2004. Grigorenko has been working the pats three and a half years to just get back to where he was before the accident. The suggestion that because he's not in perfect form means he's lazy and has no work ethic is totally disproven by how hard he has worked the past few years to make it back. Sorry, but you fail.

and yet ironically it doesn't take people three and a half years to go from winded walking to marathon shape...

The suggestion that he isn't lazy or has a good work ethic is just as bunk as well. Who, in their right mind, wouldn't strive to return to what they were before a major injury?

Sorry but he failed. He failed to take coming to the NHL seriously. He failed to do his homework. He failed to prepare in the least. He was either too arrogant about how well he was going to be or too lazy to put in that effort. Too many players have crossed over the pond now for it not to be the case. It's not luck he was smuggled across the border in the trunk of a car.

Is there still hope that he will pan out? Yes, but he put himself behind the eightball and now the cueball's heading his way.

[Kp-Wings 3]

Bykov was terrible. I was glad to see him go, I really didnt think anyone liked that guy.

Bykov was a fairly average defenseman. He wasn't terrible, but he certainly wasn't that great either.

He saw an opportunity to play more in Russia, and he wisely took it. In Detroit, he was about the #5-6 defenseman. In Russia, he's easily a top 4, perhaps even a top 2.

That's what people need to understand about Sopel leaving Detroit. If Sopel would have signed here, he would have been a #7 defenseman, or a #5-6 defenseman if he got lucky. In Chicago, he's easily on one of the top pairings. While I was upset at him initially, I understand that he was doing what was best for him and his family. In Chicago, he is probably getting more money then what Detroit offered.

I have a feeling Grigorenko will leave. He doesn't seem to have any desire to perform (right now anyways), and he'll probably see his opportunity to play more in Russia.

[lets go pavel 2]

and yet ironically it doesn't take people three and a half years to go from winded walking to marathon shape...

The suggestion that he isn't lazy or has a good work ethic is just as bunk as well. Who, in their right mind, wouldn't strive to return to what they were before a major injury?

Sorry but he failed. He failed to take coming to the NHL seriously. He failed to do his homework. He failed to prepare in the least. He was either too arrogant about how well he was going to be or too lazy to put in that effort. Too many players have crossed over the pond now for it not to be the case. It's not luck he was smuggled across the border in the trunk of a car.

Is there still hope that he will pan out? Yes, but he put himself behind the eightball and now the cueball's heading his way.

winded walking??? i'm pretty sure the accident left him more than a little out of breath ...

there's no reason physical therapy for an accident that serious couldn't take a while, and it has little to do with effort ... maybe he'll make the team, maybe he won't, but this whole notion that if he doesn't it's because he's another arrogant, selfish, lazy russian who sat on his his ass chugging vodka and smoking cubans when he should have been learning english is malarkey ...

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

I can understand it taking a long time to recover from a serious accident like that.

6 years is a pretty long time to do that. It's one thing to not quite have your game back together, but there's NO excuse for showing up to camp out of shape.

That has nothing to do with his injury. If he were unable to exercise enough to be in shape because of his injury, then there's obviously no way he could play in the NHL.

His lack of fitness is just lack of work ethic or professionalism.

[vangvace 12]

winded walking??? i'm pretty sure the accident left him more than a little out of breath ...

there's no reason physical therapy for an accident that serious couldn't take a while, and it has little to do with effort ... maybe he'll make the team, maybe he won't, but this whole notion that if he doesn't it's because he's another arrogant, selfish, lazy russian who sat on his his ass chugging vodka and smoking cubans when he should have been learning english is malarkey ...

perhaps a very poor analogy but the point is still there. And it has nothing to do with his being vodka chugging, cuban smoking russian. (is he by the way? I see cool points if so)

He played the last three seasons of the RSL missing only 5 games in the last two.

Hell, maybe he got some bad information, but it was still a poor showing after so long.

[Izzy24 44]

winded walking??? i'm pretty sure the accident left him more than a little out of breath ...

there's no reason physical therapy for an accident that serious couldn't take a while, and it has little to do with effort ... maybe he'll make the team, maybe he won't, but this whole notion that if he doesn't it's because he's another arrogant, selfish, lazy russian who sat on his his ass chugging vodka and smoking cubans when he should have been learning english is malarkey ...

But, if he is/was more power to him. I'd sure as hell rather being doing that than playing hockey or speaking English.

[T.Low 1,011]

Grigorenko was nearly killed in a severe auto accident in May 2003. Doctors only gave him a ten percent chance of SURVIVAL. He worked hard to get back in shape, and played in Russia's third-tier league in December. He had another surgery that January, and played three playoff games in the top Russian league. So we're talking about basically a year off from hockey before he got back in MINIMUM game shape...and we're now talking Spring 2004. Grigorenko has been working the pats three and a half years to just get back to where he was before the accident. The suggestion that because he's not in perfect form means he's lazy and has no work ethic is totally disproven by how hard he has worked the past few years to make it back. Sorry, but you fail.

"IF" Grigs is outta shape like the reports says he is, and its because of the accident and not because he's lazy, then two more weeks in GR isn't really going to help, is it? He's just kinda screwed from the accident and thats that.

[Lidstromrules16 7]

least he passed his physical.