wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted November 22, 2007 Im just asking a question here about this. Why do so many people give up on young goalies right away??. Goalies take the longest to develop, they usually don't hit there prime till there in there late 20's or early 30's Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted November 22, 2007 I wouldn't mind seeing them at all.... Problem is the wings make the prospect spend 20 years in the minors before they crack the lineup. We still have a good 10 years to wait for Jimmy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted November 22, 2007 I'm sure if Howard get's 20 shots or less on net with the Wings his numbers will improve from the AHL. Sometimes you have to take AHL stats with a grain of salt. The Griffins and Wings play different styles. I'm all for buying out Hasek and having Howard back up Ozzie. It seems like a waste to me to have Hasek be a back up. Give Ozzie the #1 tag, he deserves it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted November 23, 2007 But he was playing in the NHL, when 3.99 wasn't awful, there was tons of offense in the league at that time. Andy Moog had a career 3.13 GAA. Grant Fuhr had a 3.38 career GAA. Wrong. He was not playing in the NHL at that time. He was playing in a Czech league, which undoubtedly had talent inferior to that of the NHL of the 80s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2probert4 8 Report post Posted November 23, 2007 Im just asking a question here about this. Why do so many people give up on young goalies right away??. Goalies take the longest to develop, they usually don't hit there prime till there in there late 20's or early 30's I hope the kid can make it, and they should let him play a few games to see whats up. I posted earlier about Bryzgalov, was beating someone to the punch , but playing Goalie and QB in Detroit are hard positions to win fans over with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted November 23, 2007 I hope the kid can make it, and they should let him play a few games to see whats up. I posted earlier about Bryzgalov, was beating someone to the punch , but playing Goalie and QB in Detroit are hard positions to win fans over with. Well i don't think Howard will play in too many games this year. But next year if we don't get a starting goalie, we will have Ozzy as our starter and most likly Jimmy as our backup. Then he'll see some games Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SweWings 45 Report post Posted November 23, 2007 Wrong. He was not playing in the NHL at that time. He was playing in a Czech league, which undoubtedly had talent inferior to that of the NHL of the 80s. Sure but on the other hand he was established as the best goaltender and probably the best player overall in the Czechoslovak First League during the years prior to coming over to the NHL. Sort of like Lundqvist I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted November 23, 2007 Im just asking a question here about this. Why do so many people give up on young goalies right away??. Goalies take the longest to develop, they usually don't hit there prime till there in there late 20's or early 30's Because people in here are ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUSLY OVER-OBSESSIVE about goaltenders here unfortuntely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted November 23, 2007 (edited) But he was playing in the NHL, when 3.99 wasn't awful, there was tons of offense in the league at that time. Andy Moog had a career 3.13 GAA. Grant Fuhr had a 3.38 career GAA. The GAA leaders Hasek's first season (91-92) were: Patrick Roy 2.36 Ed Belfour 2.70 Kirk McLean 2.74 John Vanbiesbrouck 2.85 Bob Essensa 2.88 Curtis Joseph 3.01 Mike Richter 3.11 Chris Terreri 3.18 Tim Cheveldae 3.20 Mark Fitzpatrick 3.20 Don Beaupre 3.20 You'll notice that 3.99 is not on that list. Neither, for that matter, are Moog or Fuhr. Hasek did finish the season with a 2.60 GAA, but he was also 27 at season's end. Edited November 23, 2007 by eva unit zero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alienanxiety 23 Report post Posted November 23, 2007 The main reason that Howard will never get a shot in Detroit is that the front office will never go with a rookie goalie as long as the team keeps winning. If the Wings were in rebuilding mode or were having a mediocre to horrid season, then I think you would see Howard inserted. But as long as they remain a Cup contender, you just are not going to see a green goalie given the reigns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted November 23, 2007 The point is, Howard isn't playing very well right now. Is that concerning? Yes it is. Is it alarming and leading people to think this guy will never be a good goalie in the NHL? No, it shouldn't be. Goalies do take time to develop, but this is Howard's 3rd season in the minors. Management would be lying if they said they weren't a little disappointed with his performance so far this year. Does this mean anyone is writing him off? NO! Of course not. The main reason that Howard will never get a shot in Detroit is that the front office will never go with a rookie goalie as long as the team keeps winning. If the Wings were in rebuilding mode or were having a mediocre to horrid season, then I think you would see Howard inserted. But as long as they remain a Cup contender, you just are not going to see a green goalie given the reigns. Agreed, but the realistic scenario is that he is brought up as a backup for a year or two and then he has the experience to start. Problem is that the Wings have a history of going out and getting a permiere, proven goalie to take the reigns. The salary cap system may limit their ability to continually do that however. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raidedredwing2 0 Report post Posted November 23, 2007 The point is, Howard isn't playing very well right now. Is that concerning? Yes it is. Is it alarming and leading people to think this guy will never be a good goalie in the NHL? No, it shouldn't be. Goalies do take time to develop, but this is Howard's 3rd season in the minors. Management would be lying if they said they weren't a little disappointed with his performance so far this year. Does this mean anyone is writing him off? NO! Of course not. Agreed, but the realistic scenario is that he is brought up as a backup for a year or two and then he has the experience to start. Problem is that the Wings have a history of going out and getting a permiere, proven goalie to take the reigns. The salary cap system may limit their ability to continually do that however. Plus with hasek practically "not winning" every game. Id rather see hasek ride the bench, then see howard sit on the bench. He will get his chance, in my opinion.. he looked alot better than hasek in training camp. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wingswillwincup Report post Posted November 23, 2007 im not giving up on howard i think hes got all the tools to make it , that being said i do believe in time daniel larsson will emerge as the true number 1 in motown Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grittzkey 1 Report post Posted November 26, 2007 Milk Howard as much as you can build the hype.. then trade him for whatever you can get. because everyone knows that the wings buy there goalies. we dont groom our goalies.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted November 26, 2007 Milk Howard as much as you can build the hype.. then trade him for whatever you can get. because everyone knows that the wings buy there goalies. we dont groom our goalies.. Over the past 15-20 years, yes, but under the new CBA, doubtful they can continue buying the best available goalie they can find. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightfall 871 Report post Posted November 26, 2007 I've seen Howard play plenty of games here in GR. He's not the second coming of Dryden, but he's not a bust either. He has a HORRIBLE defense playing in front of him. This is one of the worst defensive units I've seen play in GR in their history. Offense isn't so hot either, but that's a different rant. Howard gets left out to dry way to often, and I think that our defense must think that they'll be executed if they try to clear someone from Howard's crease. I think some of the problem might be due to the head coaching change. Different bench boss, different strategies, different philosophies... but still, we're 1/4 of the way through the season and they look like garbage. It's painful to see. Just look at their record at home, it's a laughing stock. True story Rob. I have been to a few Griffins games this season, and so far I am not impressed with the Griffins. Not because they are losing, but because of the fact they just seem to not be playing with a lot of passion. Jimmy Howard looks very sharp out there. While from my vew he has given up a couple bad goals, for the most part he is keeping a lot of shots out of the net. The defense is leaving him out to dry. I think Roberto Luongo had better D with his time in Florida. As a goalie myself, its difficult to see Jimmy get put in the position he is in now. I know I would have had enough of it if I was put in that situation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flip-check 6 Report post Posted November 26, 2007 I wouldn't mind seeing them at all.... Problem is the wings make the prospect spend 20 years in the minors before they crack the lineup. We still have a good 10 years to wait for Jimmy. When were the last good goaltender prosps Detroit had that we wasted away in the minors? I ask truthfully because I hardly recall any homegrown goalies that showed promise beyond Osgood and Legace. I could be wrong though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izzy24 44 Report post Posted November 26, 2007 When were the last good goaltender prosps Detroit had that we wasted away in the minors? I ask truthfully because I hardly recall any homegrown goalies that showed promise beyond Osgood and Legace. I could be wrong though. What about Norm Maracle? Here's a picture to refresh your memory. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlakChamber 8 Report post Posted November 26, 2007 When were the last good goaltender prosps Detroit had that we wasted away in the minors? I ask truthfully because I hardly recall any homegrown goalies that showed promise beyond Osgood and Legace. I could be wrong though. Legace wasn't home grown. He was a free agent signing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites