Holland to start talks with Ozzie for a multi year extension

[Earthhuman 8]

1 year extension with the possibility of being a back up anything more would be ridiculous and we'd surely regret giving him a 3-4 yr deal down the road , no doubt

dom will start the playoffs ........ no offense guys your all brainwashed cause of the stats , a 3-4 yr deal will be a big mistake

I don't think there's anything wrong with 3 years at 2 million per (or close to it). I'm sure he could get near 3 million on the open market, or more if he keeps up this season. Stay in Motown Ozzie!

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

I may be crazy, but if he signs a 3-4 year extension and can win an average of like 25+ games a year for all of those years, he should have HIS jersey retired.

And so begins the next 15 page debate thread on LGW.

[irishtemper14+25 11]

i love ozzie, this is gonna be 97 and 98 cups again...where veteran goalie wins cup, then moves on and ozzie wins it as starter

a guy can dream cant he?

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

1 year extension with the possibility of being a back up anything more would be ridiculous and we'd surely regret giving him a 3-4 yr deal down the road , no doubt

dom will start the playoffs ........ no offense guys your all brainwashed cause of the stats , a 3-4 yr deal will be a big mistake

Why would we regret it? He's always been consistent and could easily be a sure 20 win per year guy. Brainwashed because of the stats? I'm a fan of both goalies, so cant use the "You dom haterzzz111!1!" excuse. Osgood has been one of the top 5 goalies in the NHL so far this season. Hasek hasnt, he's coming to form though which is good. That really is a ridiculous comment of you too make, if you've watched the games, you'd know the stats are more then justified.

[Earthhuman 8]

Why would we regret it? He's always been consistent and could easily be a sure 20 win per year guy. Brainwashed because of the stats? I'm a fan of both goalies, so cant use the "You dom haterzzz111!1!" excuse. Osgood has been one of the top 5 goalies in the NHL so far this season. Hasek hasnt, he's coming to form though which is good. That really is a ridiculous comment of you too make, if you've watched the games, you'd know the stats are more then justified.

Osgood beat Nashville; the other players chipped in when they felt like it.

[Guest wingswillwincup]

Why would we regret it? He's always been consistent and could easily be a sure 20 win per year guy. Brainwashed because of the stats? I'm a fan of both goalies, so cant use the "You dom haterzzz111!1!" excuse. Osgood has been one of the top 5 goalies in the NHL so far this season. Hasek hasnt, he's coming to form though which is good. That really is a ridiculous comment of you too make, if you've watched the games, you'd know the stats are more then justified.

"so far " , you said it not me , its only 30 games into the season why rush into a decision to lock up a 35 yr old goalie for 3-4 yrs ?? Im still not convinced ozzie is that good hes just got good stats cause of the team hes got in front of me , thats my opinion , sue me ...... And lets be honest ozzie doesnt have much options out there , tampa bay who would have to trade ssomeone to even get him which would make them weaker then they already are , and los angeles .... ya ozzie has tons of options , leave a cup contending team on a yearly basis for 2 teams fighting to make it in , wait till the season is done before you want to commit to a guy longterm , everyones forgotten about jimmy howard???

Sure he hasnt been that great but what if he turns it around and is outstanding in the last 30-40 games ??? you dont think kenny will finally bring him over ?? Trust me he would , which means ozzie would be the backup or share half the games with him , definetly not the number 1

[FireCaptain 563]

Osgood beat Nashville; the other players chipped in when they felt like it.

Best quote in this thread.

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

"so far " , you said it not me , its only 30 games into the season why rush into a decision to lock up a 35 yr old goalie for 3-4 yrs ?? Im still not convinced ozzie is that good hes just got good stats cause of the team hes got in front of me , thats my opinion , sue me ...... And lets be honest ozzie doesnt have much options out there , tampa bay who would have to trade ssomeone to even get him which would make them weaker then they already are , and los angeles .... ya ozzie has tons of options , leave a cup contending team on a yearly basis for 2 teams fighting to make it in , wait till the season is done before you want to commit to a guy longterm , everyones forgotten about jimmy howard???

Sure he hasnt been that great but what if he turns it around and is outstanding in the last 30-40 games ??? you dont think kenny will finally bring him over ?? Trust me he would , which means ozzie would be the backup or share half the games with him , definetly not the number 1

Well Hasek has had the same team in front of him so what does that say about his stats?

Well with Howard coming up, it would make just that much more sense to sign him long term. To have that duo at around 3 mill for 3 years would be amazing.

edit. and to add, Ozzie has not just played well for the beginning of this season, he has been absolutely solid for the past three years. Eva brought up the stats in another thread and I'm sure s/he will in this one.

Edited December 13, 2007 by Son of a Wing

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Why would we regret it? He's always been consistent and could easily be a sure 20 win per year guy. Brainwashed because of the stats? I'm a fan of both goalies, so cant use the "You dom haterzzz111!1!" excuse. Osgood has been one of the top 5 goalies in the NHL so far this season. Hasek hasnt, he's coming to form though which is good. That really is a ridiculous comment of you too make, if you've watched the games, you'd know the stats are more then justified.

I too am also a fan of BOTH goalies.

wingswillwincup...

The reason(s) why the Holland/company might want to re-sign Osgood includes, but is not limited to...

A franchise believing in loyalty towards athletes and off-the-ice employees...

Osgood personally sacraficing to remain a Red Wing because he enjoys it in Detroit, when he probably could make more money and play a lot more for plenty of other franchises...

His play early this season, and the stats he's accumlated in a fairly consistent basis over his career in a quiet fashion...

Whether you/I/anybody else think he is "Hall of Fame worthy" or any of that is ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE, but he didn't accumulate wins and good stats by mistake. Was it just him getting wins in his career? Of course not, but you can make the same argument for any goaltender out there, even the great ones like Hasek, Brodeur, Roy, etc. etc. EVERY GOALIE needs a good supporting cast, I don't care how good/bad the goalie might be. Perfect example was CuJo in 2003-04 playoffs. He played out of his mind against Calgary but had ALMOST ZERO offensive help. Now, overall in his career, has Osgood been on the same level as Brodeur/Roy/Hasek? I'd strongly say nay there. But those are some damned good 'tenders, and Osgood is far from a slouch. He's not going to be a guy stealing 50 games a season for a team, but he is still very capable and always has been.

Especially this year, Osgood has proven that he is still starting material. You don't have to look far. I'm no stats nerd, but only 2 losses in 15 games and a GAA under 1.75 for a guy who was or is supposed to be the "backup" (current 'tending situation is more like 1A/1B right now, not starter and backup role) says plenty of positive things, such as "HEY, I CAN STILL BE AN EFFECTIVE STARTER!" I don't think he can keep this incredibly pace up, he'll lost a game/two in a row at some point, but unless his play/work ethic just falls in the crapper, Osgood (and Hasek) will, very few times, be the sole reason of the Wings losing their games this season, despite how retardeldly anal people are about goaltenders in here.

Assuming Hasek retires this year, I'm all for bringing Osgood back to be starter grooming Howard for the future. Osgood wants to be with the Wings, and he's more than proven that he's still got it.

Edited December 13, 2007 by SouthernWingsFan

[b.shanafan14 733]

^^ Great post, SouthernWingsFan ^^

Dom and Ozzy both have the same team in front of them. Can't say they play better in front of Ozzy cause he's sees more shots per game than Dom. Right now Ozzy's save percentage is second in the league. Why not lock up a guy for the next 3 years or so who has been consistently good his whole career who you could get relatively cheap and is a fan favorite? After Dom is gone, and if we plan on giving Howard the shot next year, who do you expect to acquaint Howard with the team and the NHL? Osgood is a consistent goaltender who now has a solid butterfly style and the veteran know-how to play effectively at No. 1 or backup, why pass on a guy like that?

Edited December 13, 2007 by b.shanafan14

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

Amen SouthernWingsFan! Your posts are always a nice dose of reality and well thought out analysis on these boards!

[Guest Canadian Wings]

I wouldn't give Osgood more then 2-3 years AS A BACK UP!!!!! Is it just me, or is Ken Holland's favourite quote "we'll see if there's a fit"?

[eva unit zero 271]

I wouldn't give Osgood more then 2-3 years AS A BACK UP!!!!! Is it just me, or is Ken Holland's favourite quote "we'll see if there's a fit"?

Yeah...it's silly to give 3 year extensions for less than 2m per year to goaltenders who have won 350 games and a Stanley Cup AND are playing the best hockey of their career. Instead, we should focus our offseason on trading a few of our good young players to get a goalie who is not much younger and has had one or two good regular seasons and 'might' be a guy who is good enough to backstop us for some playoff runs.

Seriously...if you wouldn't extend Ozzie..what do you have in mind for the Wings' goaltending?

[interminded 1]

Just to be clear:

Everybody want him to be, but Jimmy Howard is NOWHERE NEAR being a NHL starting goaltender.

So don't get your hopes up for next season

[puckloo39 5,686]

Just to be clear:

Everybody want him to be, but Jimmy Howard is NOWHERE NEAR being a NHL starting goaltender.

So don't get your hopes up for next season

So, who do you think Kenny will go after, IM? Maybe a veteran to back up Ozzie? I do believe, win or lose, this is going to be Dom's last season.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

It's a 37% raise over last season. I'd do cartwheels if my boss gave me a 37% raise.

Just because its a 37% raise it doesn't mean its a fair deal.

With the increased role Ozzie has played this season, the current market value for a goaltender with his numbers, and the fact hat he'll be expected to play around 50+ games next season, its isn't a fair deal. Besides, the lower the salary the lower 37% is. I.E. If a goaltender was making $4 million and got a 37% ($1,480,000) increase it would be a hell of a lot more meaningful than a $300,000 raise.

[DEVILSWATERBOY 10]

were off to see the wizard the wonderful wizard of oz, they should not have let him go last time hell yes great for OZZIE :!:

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

So, who do you think Kenny will go after, IM? Maybe a veteran to back up Ozzie? I do believe, win or lose, this is going to be Dom's last season.

I have a feeling they might bring up Howard, atleast to start the year with Ozzie. I don't believe he's anywhere near out of call-ups. Give Ozzie 50+ nods next year, and let Howard start 30 or so. That should give him plenty of opportunity to get in the mix, while not having too much pressure (especially if Ozzie signs a 3 year extension). Howard can come into his own at his own pace, and without much worry as long as Osgood can continue the level of play he's shown the past few years.

Then in a couple years they can start splitting on a more equal basis (given that Howard has earned those extra starts) and you've got a beyond proven guy in Ozzie to hand over the reigns as his career winds down.

Textbook situation.

[egroen 384]

Give Ozzie 50+ nods next year, and let Howard start 30 or so. That should give him plenty of opportunity to get in the mix, while not having too much pressure (especially if Ozzie signs a 3 year extension). Howard can come into his own at his own pace, and without much worry as long as Osgood can continue the level of play he's shown the past few years.

Then in a couple years they can start splitting on a more equal basis (given that Howard has earned those extra starts) and you've got a beyond proven guy in Ozzie to hand over the reigns as his career winds down.

Textbook situation.

Just the sort of low risk / high reward situation I like. We are risking little in payroll if things do not work out -- so then we would have to grab a free agent or make a trade. Ok, we've definitely done that before. But that is a hell of a lot better than doing it right now.

I am very comfortable with Osgood -- not so much with Howard -- but with Osgood, Howard has time to mature.

[imisssergei 0]

1 year extension with the possibility of being a back up anything more would be ridiculous and we'd surely regret giving him a 3-4 yr deal down the road , no doubt

dom will start the playoffs ........ no offense guys your all brainwashed cause of the stats , a 3-4 yr deal will be a big mistake

If the playoffs started today, or even a month from now, no way Dom gets the nod over Ozzie. Dom will have to prove himself, and earn the starting job in the playoffs. And that is something that looks like won't happen.

[Dominator2005 558]

I'm a HUGE Hasek fan - but before all I'm a RED WINGS fan. Very happy to see that Osgood will remain on this team. Ozzy is doing great so far, Hasek is back - so we have a great goalies here...

[dallas27 7]

It's a 37% raise over last season. I'd do cartwheels if my boss gave me a 37% raise.

I think a professional athletes salary MAY be a little different.

dom will start the playoffs ........ no offense guys your all brainwashed cause of the stats , a 3-4 yr deal will be a big mistake

Just like your brainwashed about Hasek despite his stats?

"so far " , you said it not me , its only 30 games into the season why rush into a decision to lock up a 35 yr old goalie for 3-4 yrs ?? Im still not convinced ozzie is that good hes just got good stats cause of the team hes got in front of me , thats my opinion , sue me ......

So how do you explain Hasek's stats? He's had the same team in front of him.

[Icer 0]

With the increased role Ozzie has played this season, the current market value for a goaltender with his numbers, and the fact hat he'll be expected to play around 50+ games next season, its isn't a fair deal.

If he wanted current market value, he'd be playing somewhere else. We'll see what Osgood feels is fair. I don't think it will be anywhere near $2M.

[puckloo39 5,686]

So how do you explain Hasek's stats? He's had the same team in front of him.

Same bodies, different level of play. The Wings themselves admit they're playing better now than they did earlier in the season when Hasek was in net, before the hip injury. Dom got a tough start, it doesn't necessarily define the rest of his season - no more than Ozzie's great start guarantees that level of play for the rest of the season in his case. But we can hope for that!

I still think it's a little early to decide right now who is going to play all the playoff games. I don't see the problem with the tandem arrangement they're working with now. Both goalies are contributing to wins.

Edited December 13, 2007 by puckloo39

[dallas27 7]

Same bodies, different level of play. The Wings themselves admit they're playing better now than they did earlier in the season when Hasek was in net, before the hip injury. Dom got a tough start, it doesn't necessarily define the rest of his season - no more than Ozzie's great start guarantees that level of play for the rest of the season in his case. But we can hope for that!

I'm not so sure that I buy that. The Wings were just about as dominant then as they are now. Besides Chicago the Wings have had very little difficulty with any team. Whenever Hasek is playing bad it seems like there are endless excuses for him. He had a very tough start and people would be silly to expect him to play that bad for the whole season. But it is possible for Hasek or any goaltender to simply play bad. One's like Hasek are bound to turn it around at some point.

In any case, I hope they get this deal done. I think it makes a difference in terms of performance when someone genuinely wants to play and end his career for any team

Edited December 13, 2007 by dallas27