Grittzkey 1 Report post Posted January 5, 2008 Ok, So lately, almost everyone has gotten in on the trade discussion, and for every person who thinks something is helpful, someone else thinks it's not. so lets just have some fun. You have the wings current Roster,Prospects, tryand make realistic trades that will better the team for its Playoff Run. Ill start. A- Sign D-Mac, Waive Derek Meech, Call Up Brad Ference B- Pittsburgh Penguins Trade: Ryan Malone For Detroit Redwings Mikael Samuellson and Andreas Lilja Reason - Ryan Malone is just the Top 6 forward we need, He adds scoring and Grit, and is not afraid to drop the gloves either.. Perfect addition to add along side Filpulla and Hudler. C- LA King Trade: Raitis Ivanans, 7th Round Draft Selection for Detroit Redwings Tomas Kopecky Reason - I like Goons. D- SJ Sharks Trade: Kyle McClaren, 3th Round Draft Selection For Detroit Redwings Jiri Hudler Reason - With Lilja gone, the lone physical pressance that he once brought is also gone. To replace it we add Kyle McClaren, A tough SOB. who is not a Defensive liability, has a mean streak to him. Overall Analysis - Our team gets Tougher, and We drop some weak links in the process. -Lines- Henrik Zetterberg - Pavel Datsyuk - Thomas Holmstrom Valtteri Filppula - Johan Franzen - Ryan Malone Dan Cleary - Kris Draper - Kurt Maltby Aaron Downey - Dallas Drake - Darren McCarty *Raitis Ivanans* Nick Lidstrom - Kyle McClaren Brian Rafalski - Niklas Kronnwall Brett Lebda - Chris Chelios *Brad Ference* Will it happen? No, But it's Fun to just throw out names and pretend that these trades could happen.. Feel free to do the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zata40 3 Report post Posted January 5, 2008 love the title, funny thing is i can actually read it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shannyfan1414 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2008 I was all about it untill you had Hudler going. That ruined the fun for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imisssergei 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2008 Ok, So lately, almost everyone has gotten in on the trade discussion, and for every person who thinks something is helpful, someone else thinks it's not. so lets just have some fun. You have the wings current Roster,Prospects, tryand make realistic trades that will better the team for its Playoff Run. Ill start. Will it happen? No, But it's Fun to just throw out names and pretend that these trades could happen.. Feel free to do the same. You lost me at D-Mac. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted January 5, 2008 (edited) This sounds kinda fun. Ok, I'll bite: A: Hudler and Lebda to Pittsburgh for Ryan Malone Reason - Malone adds size, scoring, and grit to the lineup. He'd be great alongside Filppula on the 2nd line. Malone is always in the center for trade talks, so I think we could land him without giving up much. B: Samuelsson, and a 3rd round draft pick to Buffalo for Tim Connolly Reason - Although Connolly has an injury history, I've watched him play over the years and he'd fit in great with the Wings system. He's a good set up assist man, and would be great on a 2nd line with Malone and Filppula, as they'd both score a lot of goals with him on their line. C: Kopecky, and a 4th/5th round draft pick to LA Kings for Rob Blake Reason - Blake is having a terrible season, and I firmly believe we could get him dirt cheap. I think he could turn it around here in Detroit, and he'd give us a great asset on the 2nd PP unit. His physicality and hard shot are elements that would help the Wings during the playoff run. D: Meech, Ellis, and a 7th round draft pick to Boston for Aaron Ward Reason - The Wings need a tough, physical, stay at home shotblocking defenseman, and Ward brings those qualities to the table. Meech is replaceable, with guys like Kindl and Quincey coming into the system, as is Ellis, with guys like Helm and Ritola in the system. The Wings are also being rumored to sign the big name swedish prospects like Brunnstrom, Videll, and Klasen (Brunnstrom in particular is who they should go after, and I have a feeling at least one will sign here either way), so that also makes those guys expendable. E: Waive Lilja Reason - Sorry, but I'm going tired of Lilja's crap. His inconsistant physical play, along with his constant turnovers that end of costing the Wings in some way or another, has gone on long enough. I don't want to see what kind of mulligan he'll pull out of his hat this year to screw us up in yet another playoff series. Now, with the moves made, here are the lines: Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Holmstrom Malone - Filppula - Connolly Cleary - Draper - Maltby Drake - Franzen - Downey Lidstrom - Rafalski Kronwall - Blake Ward - Chelios Hasek Osgood Now, I know this seems like a lot, and I know Holland would never make this many trades in a million years at a trade deadline, but a lot of these guys address the needs that the Wings currently have right now. This is all just my opinion, so don't chew my head off for making certain trades. It's all in good fun. Edited January 5, 2008 by Kp-Wings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Earthhuman 8 Report post Posted January 5, 2008 I'm noticing a trend here- trading the future for the now. Ok, here's my deals: Nothing. I keep my job, we still have a future, and we still go into the playoffs. At this point in the season, I don't see any problems with the team. Lilja is playing fine, and will be better in the playoffs. I have no idea where the supposed secondary scoring problem is. Maybe we'll see at the deadline. Also, I haven't seen trade deadline acquisitions put anybody over the top, or at least rarely. We all got to see Atlanta and Nashville trade the farm, only to be blown to pieces in the playoffs by teams that stuck with their teams and had chemistry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryMalredo 2 Report post Posted January 5, 2008 This sounds kinda fun. Ok, I'll bite: A: Hudler and Lebda to Pittsburgh for Ryan Malone Reason - Malone adds size, scoring, and grit to the lineup. He'd be great alongside Filppula on the 2nd line. Malone is always in the center for trade talks, so I think we could land him without giving up much. B: Samuelsson, Meech, and a 3rd round draft pick to Buffalo for Tim Connolly Reason - Although Connolly has an injury history, I've watched him play over the years and he'd fit in great with the Wings system. He's a good set up assist man, and would be great on a 2nd line with Malone and Filppula, as they'd both score a lot of goals with him on their line. C: Kopecky, and a 4th/5th round draft pick to LA Kings for Rob Blake Reason - Blake is having a terrible season, and I firmly believe we could get him dirt cheap. I think he could turn it around here in Detroit, and he'd give us a great asset on the 2nd PP unit. His physicality and hard shot are elements that would help the Wings during the playoff run. D: Meech, Ellis, and a 7th round draft pick to Boston for Aaron Ward Reason - The Wings need a tough, physical, stay at home shotblocking defenseman, and Ward brings those qualities to the table. Meech is replaceable, with guys like Kindl and Quincey coming into the system, as is Ellis, with guys like Helm and Ritola in the system. The Wings are also being rumored to sign the big name swedish prospects like Brunnstrom, Videll, and Klasen (Brunnstrom in particular is who they should go after, and I have a feeling at least one will sign here either way), so that also makes those guys expendable. E: Waive Lilja Reason - Sorry, but I'm going tired of Lilja's crap. His inconsistant physical play, along with his constant turnovers that end of costing the Wings in some way or another, has gone on long enough. I don't want to see what kind of mulligan he'll pull out of his hat this year to screw us up in yet another playoff series. Now, with the moves made, here are the lines: Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Holmstrom Malone - Filppula - Connolly Cleary - Draper - Maltby Drake - Franzen - Downey Lidstrom - Rafalski Kronwall - Blake Ward - Chelios Hasek Osgood Now, I know this seems like a lot, and I know Holland would never make this many trades in a million years at a trade deadline, but a lot of these guys address the needs that the Wings currently have right now. This is all just my opinion, so don't chew my head off for making certain trades. It's all in good fun. It would take more than that to get Connoly and Blake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted January 5, 2008 It would take more than that to get Connoly and Blake. Connolly maybe, because he's still young, but Blake is old and having a sub par season this year. That's why I think the Wings could get him for very little. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryMalredo 2 Report post Posted January 5, 2008 Connolly maybe, because he's still young, but Blake is old and having a sub par season this year. That's why I think the Wings could get him for very little. Probably not. Every trade deadline, competion pushes up the prices for players, no matter how past their prime they are. For example, the kings ransome St. Louis got for Tkachuck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irishtemper14+25 11 Report post Posted January 5, 2008 ok, huds and flip are the future. plain and simple i think they will be dominant in a couple of years and they are going to have to be our secondary scoring behind the zdh line and they need one more player to help them become a great line. plain and simple sammy is not cutting it. huds likes to pass more and flip shoots more, but they need a sniper to make the line complete. 2 possibilities are ryder and dumont. i do not think we would get anything great for sammy so i would trade him for a 3rd or 2nd rd pick. i would trade franzen and whatever pick we got for sammy for ryder. dumont would come easier i think if nashville still wants to cut its payroll. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jeremy88 Report post Posted January 5, 2008 Trade Samuelsson and Drake for Huselias. Huselias-Zetterberg-Holmstrom Filppula-Datsyuk-Cleary Maltby-Draper-Hudler Downey-Franzen-Kopecky Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grittzkey 1 Report post Posted January 5, 2008 All i know is that if we could get Ryan Malone for Hudler i'd be syked. Stat whise Rex is so much better, But the entangibles and the physical pressance would even it out. i can see a line with Malone,Flipper,Franzen being alot more productive than Rex,Flip,Franzen. Just because all three of them work for the puck and dont get knocked off so easily. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
J-Swift 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2008 B: Samuelsson, and a 3rd round draft pick to Buffalo for Tim Connolly Reason - Although Connolly has an injury history, I've watched him play over the years and he'd fit in great with the Wings system. He's a good set up assist man, and would be great on a 2nd line with Malone and Filppula, as they'd both score a lot of goals with him on their line. Connolly is currently third in scoring on a team that is hurting from the lack of Briere and Drury. I'd seriously doubt they'd give him up in a deal where the centre-piece of what they get in return is a "scoring-line forward" who has all of 6 goals at the moment. I'm not trying to rip into you or anything, but it's just that I don't think a team like Buffalo can be letting go of truly talented offensive players like Connolly without someone serviceable in return. Trade Samuelsson and Drake for Huselias. I can't imagine Calgary would move Huselius at any point this season. Especially not for dead-weight like Drake and Sammy. Personally, I'm all for acquiring Ryan Malone. He'd bring some serious size to our forward lineup, and if we could tap into some of that offensive potential of his, he could provide the secondary scoring that would put the Wings over the top. But IMO, shipping out Hudler would kinda defeat the purpose of getting Malone in the first place. Jiri is one of the few Detroit forwards outside of Zetterberg, Datsyuk, and Holmstrom that has legitimate offensive talent. I'm not a big believer in him or his ability to carry his game into the post-season, but getting rid of Hudler for an enigma like Malone wouldn't really solve our secondary scoring problem. If I were GM, I'd try to keep the roster relatively intact, however, Samuelsson really needs to go. I find he tends to drag down whatever line he's on. His shoot-first mentality is really frustrating to watch, and for a guy that big, he really should be finishing his checks. Replacing Lilja with a physical top-four defenceman who doesn't have Andreas' knack for bad giveaways would be ideal, but I doubt it's possible without giving up at least a first-round draft pick or someone decent out of our lineup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cicada 4 Report post Posted January 5, 2008 (edited) NO i'm glad you're not the GM Edited January 5, 2008 by Cicada Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lets go pavel 2 Report post Posted January 5, 2008 wow ... we're the #1 team in the league and playing with great chemistry and heart from top to bottom and most of you guys want to pretend-trade away half our roster??? in my opinion what makes a gm great when it comes to the trading deadline is not pulling offer the whoppers, it's restraint ... we're not trading hudler, filppula, franzen ... none of the rebuilding teams will want drake, and i don't see us trading him to a contender because we won't get anything but prospects in return, which won't help our cup run ... i don't think we'll move lilja, despite the turnovers, he's been solid in the postseaon ... sammy is about the only guy off our current roster i could see us moving, maybe packaged with a prospect or two, but i'm not sure what we would get for that - probably not a significant upgrade ... i could see us deal a prospect or two for someone like calder last year, but that's about it ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA Report post Posted January 5, 2008 A: Sign Foppa for 3 million. B: Sammuelson and a third for Ryan malone, Mike Ryder, or Sean Avery C: Kopecky + meech + 2nd rounder for nick Boynton With Malone/avery Zetts-Pavel-Homer Hudler-Foppa-Filipulla Malone/Avery-Franzen-Cleary -Drake-Draper-Malts Lidstrom-Kronwall Boynton-Rafalski Lebda-Cheli/Lilija With Ryder Line one A. Ryder-Pavel-Homer Line one B: Hudler-Foppa-Zetterberg (or zetts at center and foppa at wing) 3rd line- Franzen-Filipula-Cleary 4th LineDrake-Draper-Malts Lidstrom-Kronwall Boynton-Rafalski Lebda-Cheli/Lilija Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Copenhagen848 58 Report post Posted January 5, 2008 Sammy for anybody/anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted January 5, 2008 Detroit gets : Ryan Malone and Brooks Orpik Pittsburgh gets : Jiri Hudler, Brett Lebda, Kyle Quincey The top 6 would be Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Holmstrom, Malone, Flip, and Cleary. Now realistically, Kirk Maltby isnt going anywhere. But this guy seriously has no purpose here anymore. If i were GM, he'd be gone. But no sense suggesting a trade since its 100% not going to happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swede40 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2008 Keep the team intact. Go into the Entry Draft with a full allotment of draft picks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckbags 863 Report post Posted January 5, 2008 You lost me at D-Mac. Ditto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wingswillwincup Report post Posted January 5, 2008 Ok, So lately, almost everyone has gotten in on the trade discussion, and for every person who thinks something is helpful, someone else thinks it's not. so lets just have some fun. You have the wings current Roster,Prospects, tryand make realistic trades that will better the team for its Playoff Run. Ill start. Will it happen? No, But it's Fun to just throw out names and pretend that these trades could happen.. Feel free to do the same. you say it would be nice to pick up malone to play with hudler and filppula and then 2 minutes later you trade hudler for mclaren hahaha ...... no way to dealing hudler , especially for mclaren Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted January 5, 2008 Trade Samuelsson and Drake for Huselias. Huselias-Zetterberg-Holmstrom Filppula-Datsyuk-Cleary Maltby-Draper-Hudler Downey-Franzen-Kopecky Huselius is Swedish, so he'd fit in nicely, but Calgary won't trade him for 2 guys that combined don't have as many points as he does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wingswillwincup Report post Posted January 5, 2008 option A trade derek meech or kyle quincey ... 2nd round pick 2007 and 4 th round pick 2008 for rob blake if forsberg decides to come back , sign him we pick up a replacement for lilja and that way we get a superstar who although has had injury problems would not come back to play if he wasnt ok , and that way we dont give up any top prospects for a forward and if something were 2 happen then we'd still be the same team we are now , #1 in the nhl zetterberg datsyuk holmstrom hudler forsberg filppula cleary draper samuelsson maltby kopecky franzen drake lidstrom rafalski blake kronwall lebda chelios lilja option B same trade proposal for rob blake as option a trade cory emmerton ( not sold on him) 1st rd pick 2009 quincey or meech for sundin filppula datsyuk holmstrom ( filppula was on FIRE playing with datsyuk) zetterberg sundin samuelsson hudler draper cleary maltby kopecky franzen drake defense same as option A the 1st 3 lines gives us a threat to score on all 3 lines , our 3rd line would have 2 guys who can be 20-25 goal scorers , i really doubt that theres a team that would be able to match our debth , no way is there a 3rd line with 2 20 goal scorers , which is why i put samuelsson on the 2nd line and not 3rd not even samuelsson can screw it up playing with sundin and zetterberg option C get michael ryder for derek meech and 2nd round pick 2008 get aaron ward for 3rd round pick 2009 and evan mcgrath pretty sure babcock will split up datsyuk and zeterberg .... filppula datsyuk holmstrom hudler zetterberg ryder cleary draper samuelsson maltby kopecky franzen drake lidstrom rafalski kronwall ward lebda chelios lilja Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted January 5, 2008 Buffalo is currently sitting outside the playoffs. If their prospects for this season are not looking bright around the deadline, here's what I think would be a good option. Buffalo needs some secondary scoring, but they also don't have many capable defensive forwards. They will likely have to trade off one or more of their top four defensemen-Spacek, Tallinder, Campbell, or Lydman. So my suggestion would be as follows. To Detroit: D Henrik Tallinder or D Brian Campbell C Tim Connolly or RW Jason Pominville To Buffalo: D Derek Meech D Andreas Lilja or D Brett Lebda C Evan McGrath or C Cory Emmerton Tallinder is the better defensive stopper and physical player; Campbell is the better offensive player. Tallinder is signed for under 3m for two more seasons; Campbell is UFA after this year. I consider their value to Detroit basically even. It would be preferable to give up Lebda for Campbell or Lilja for Tallinder, but that is not crucial. Meech is a solid defensive prospect likely to get swallowed by Detroit's depth of defensive prospects better than him. McGrath and Emmerton are both considered potential top-six forwards, and are defensively responsible. Neither are considered future Selke contenders, but should be solid two-way centermen. Connolly is Buffalo's top offensive player this season but is also UFA. Pominville leads the Sabres in scoring, but turns RFA at the end of the year. Both will be looking for a raise likely to the 3m-4m range. My ideal haul from this trade would be Lilja/Meech/McGrath for Tallinder/Pominville, because that provides the best long-term results for Detroit and the best match as far as trading is considered; however it is likely that to get Pominville we would have to give up the younger Emmerton. I am ok with that. If Pominville and Connolly are unavailable, swap in Matt Ellis or Mark Hartigan from Detroit and Paul Gaustad from Buffalo, or leave the young forwards out completely. This allows us to field a defensive unit of: Lidstrom/Rafalski Tallinder/Kronwall Chelios/Lebda OR Lidstrom/Rafalski Lilja/Kronwall Chelios/Campbell The first option greatly improves the defensive unit defensively; the second option is more of a wash defensively but improves our offense and removes Samuelsson from the point on the PP while retaining his very solid two-way play at even strength. Pominville/Connolly would also allow us to spread out the scoring across three lines instead of two. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MotorCityMachineGun22 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2008 (edited) Dallas Drake and maybe like a 3rd round draft pick for Sergei Fedorov,O yeah and SIGN FORSBERG Edited January 5, 2008 by MotorCityMachineGun22 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites