2/10 GDT: Ducks 3, Red Wings 2

[Jocu 0]

Yeah, goalies don't let in shots they see all the way. (See: Game 7 WCSF, 1996, 2OT, Wings v. Blues)

Comparing a 2008 goaltender to a 1997 goaltender is like comparing a XBOX 360 to a Nintendo 64.

With goalie camps these days, a goalie like Giggy is gonna see that shot.

An elite goaltender would find a way to stop the puck, even with someone screening in front.

If that were the case, then Homer would be out of a job.

Edited February 11, 2008 by Jocu

[wingnut40 176]

Kudos to the fans at the joe for chanting Bullsh#$ for 30 seconds, hope gary bettman heard it.

That's what they were saying?!?! F**k YEAH!! I love Wings fans! I hope that ref dies in a car crash. Not really, but you get the idea.

at least this stuff just keeps adding fuel to the rivalry with the ducks

starting to remind me of the wings/avs time

That'd be awesome is it ended like that. Both Avs and Ducks beat us in game 6 of WCF and go to win the Cup. We come back the next year and win it two straight!

so anaheim can steal the puck from ozzie and score when the play should have been stopped, but if giguere moves up and GIGUERE makes contact with homer, it's no goal.

Aparently.

Edited February 11, 2008 by wingnut40

[jim3033 1]

If Detroit learned anything from this game they need to be more sneaky...

[Nero 20]

Just for the sake of doing so, I will say it again. No penalty called, no goaltender interference.

The goal was simply waived off.

[Dominator2005 558]

I'm not sure what me being a girl has to do with anything??

nothing - you have a point... hope there is no hard feelings...

[Chairman Maouth 97]

I'm saying how do you know Giggy would of been moving to the left if he could see the shot clearly?

A goalie like Giguere doesn't make unnecessary lateral movements, it's all about being square to the shot for him. If you watch Giggy, he is horrible at moving laterally when he's in a butterfly. He wouldn't of committed so much had he not been Homer-screened.

Jocu, I think this is one of those calls that you hate if you're a Wings fan and love if you're a Duck. If the situation were reversed it would be the Wings fans loving it.

It's a judgement call. Tomorrow it might not be called. It may suck for those who feel their team was wronged, but the precedent is in the rules. Hockey is full of judgement calls. It's just part of the game. Win some lose some.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

There's gonna be comments from Giguere here on 97.1 before too long...

[Chairman Maouth 97]

Just for the sake of doing so, I will say it again. No penalty called, no goaltender interference.

The goal was simply waived off.

If (i) a goalkeeper initiates contact with an offensive player who is in the goal crease; and (ii) such contact is (a) initiated by the goalkeeper in order to establish position in his goal crease; and (b) results in an impairment of the goalkeeper's ability to defend his goal, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.

http://www.nhl.com/rules/rule78.html

[Jocu 0]

Jocu, I think this is one of those calls that you hate if you're a Wings fan and love if you're a Duck. If the situation were reversed it would be the Wings fans loving it.

It's a judgement call. Tomorrow it might not be called. It may suck for those who feel their team was wronged, but the precedent is in the rules. Hockey is full of judgement calls. It's just part of the game. Win some lose some.

Agreed, but it's not great being called a douchenozzle and a *** for not being a homer.

Just to make it clear, not a Ducks fan, but I am a Giggy fan.

[Hockeytown Red Wings 245]

Jocu, I think this is one of those calls that you hate if you're a Wings fan and love if you're a Duck. If the situation were reversed it would be the Wings fans loving it.

It's a judgement call. Tomorrow it might not be called. It may suck for those who feel their team was wronged, but the precedent is in the rules. Hockey is full of judgement calls. It's just part of the game. Win some lose some.

We all know this, but not all of us are as laid-back. I'm gonna go work out, have a few beers, watch a movie, and maybe then I can be as rational as you.

[EuroTwinLove40 0]

nothing - you have a point... hope there is no hard feelings...

I'm sure you're being sarcastic, but whatever. I know my hockey and I can hang with the big boys...thanks though

[Wings_Dynasty 267]

We need a red flag in the coach's hand, that's all I'm saying.

[Chairman Maouth 97]

Agreed, but it's not great being called a douchenozzle and a *** for not being a homer.

Just to make it clear, not a Ducks fan, but I am a Giggy fan.

Oh well that was a moron talking. Pay no attention to him. Morons are easily identifiable by their distinctive trait of substituting name-calling for a valid argument.

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

I loved how the Osgood lovers hijacked last game topic... Be sure of one thing - Hasek "lovers" are not afraid of Osgood as much as Osgood "LOVERS" are afraid of Hasek... Keep this in mind!!! Firts half of the season - Osgood's play is the best thing that could happen to Hasek...

Would you stop with the nonsense. This is not a f-ing contest between Osgood & Hasek fans. Sure we favor our favorite players, especially those who have a goaltender as a fave, but in the end it's about the team winning. That's all it comes down to. Stop bringing up crap and making it more than it is.

[Nero 20]

If (i) a goalkeeper initiates contact with an offensive player who is in the goal crease; and (ii) such contact is (a) initiated by the goalkeeper in order to establish position in his goal crease; and (b) results in an impairment of the goalkeeper's ability to defend his goal, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.

http://www.nhl.com/rules/rule78.html

Please move your eyes to the next paragraph.

If, after any contact by a goalkeeper who is attempting to establish position in his goal crease, the attacking player does not immediately vacate his current position in the goal crease (i.e. give ground to the goalkeeper), and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed. In all such cases, whether or not a goal is scored, the offensive player will receive a minor penalty for goalkeeper interference.

There was no penalty assessed on the play. The goal was waived off. The referee was not officiating the rule that you quoted, otherwise a penalty would have been called against Holmstrom.

[Jocu 0]

We need a red flag in the coach's hand, that's all I'm saying.

Babcock throws red flag

Babcock: Oops, I missed.

[Dominator2005 558]

I'm sure you're being sarcastic, but whatever. I know my hockey and I can hang with the big boys...thanks though

Not sarcastic at all!

[edicius 3,269]

And this is why I'm glad I stopped watching this game after the 2nd. I had a feeling that we were going to get a crucial goal called off in the 3rd...and I was right. Babcock, Holland and Illitch need to take this to the league offices. There is NO reason that the officials for this game shouldn't be reprimanded/fined.

[Dominator2005 558]

Would you stop with the nonsense. This is not a f-ing contest between Osgood & Hasek fans. Sure we favor our favorite players, especially those who have a goaltender as a fave, but in the end it's about the team winning. That's all it comes down to. Stop bringing up crap and making it more than it is.

touché

[Chairman Maouth 97]

Please move your eyes to the next paragraph.

There was no penalty assessed on the play. The goal was waived off. The referee was not officiating the rule that you quoted, otherwise a penalty would have been called against Holmstrom.

You're right. The ref screwed up. The goal should have been disallowed AND Holmstrom should have got a penalty.

Look, as I said above, hockey is very subjective in its application of the rules. We've seen it before where goals are disallowed but no penalty is called in cases like this. As a matter of fact, I think that's the norm. You're already taking a goal away from a team, so if the infraction is marginal (no one gets totally bowled over) then they usually don't assess a penalty to further rub their face in the crap.

Edited February 11, 2008 by One of the Few

[Nero 20]

The ref screwed up.

End of conversation.

Edited February 11, 2008 by Nero

[auxlepli 17]

Holmstrom had no affect on the last "goal." I will agree on that. It was a bulls*** call! In my opinion, there's no doubt about that.

[Kp-Wings 3]

And this is why I'm glad I stopped watching this game after the 2nd. I had a feeling that we were going to get a crucial goal called off in the 3rd...and I was right. Babcock, Holland and Illitch need to take this to the league offices. There is NO reason that the officials for this game shouldn't be reprimanded/fined.

Do you really think that's going to happen, though?

I can almost guarantee that the league will take one look at Detroit's overall record and say "Why should you guys care? You're already miles away better than every other team in the league".

I would love to see those refs be fined, or punished in some sort of way, but the NHL is such a spineless league that they won't do anything about it. I'd be very surprised to see anything come out of this.

Public outcries mean nothing to the league. If they did, perhaps there wouldn't have been a lockout 3 seasons ago that nearly destroyed hockey, and in the long run, solved none of the problems that initially caused it in the first place (player salaries, and small market teams not being able to afford them).

Edited February 11, 2008 by Kp-Wings

[jim3033 1]

And this is why I'm glad I stopped watching this game after the 2nd. I had a feeling that we were going to get a crucial goal called off in the 3rd...and I was right. Babcock, Holland and Illitch need to take this to the league offices. There is NO reason that the officials for this game shouldn't be reprimanded/fined.

Well said. I agree. I just listened to Lidstrom's post game interview and he even sounded a little upset and he is one of the players. Ozzy sounded upset too but had a real mature response. It's too bad. It is really scary to think if this were a playoff game.

And I hope those second period calls don't get overlooked. The one where Ozzy had the puck and Kunitz knocked it away was bad. But then when they called that penalty on Sammy and they got that goal I quit watching. I've seen these calls before in crucial games and it kills you to see them happen at the most important games of the season. Hope you guys that think it was a fair call can understand.

Edited February 11, 2008 by jim3033

[RedFX 48]

For those of you who claimed that was the right call. What about the Kunitz play. Osgood had the puck covered up in the crease, and Kunitz dug it out with his stick and play continued. I have no doubt that if the roles were reversed, that play would have been called dead. I'm not saying that should have been an interference call, but play should have definitely stopped.