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And hell I'd put Stuart on the point in Sammy's place.

Stuart will undoubtedly replace Samuelsson on the point.

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im 50/50 on him, ill have to see him play before i judge him. because i cant say ive watched many of his games at all.

but.....there are alot of players who would of been a better addition..

IE. Prospal.Belak.Lapointe.Simon.

All would of been great additions..and would of cost next to nothing.

Come on, really? The last thing we need is another half decent gritty forward, our entire D is injured and we just signed McCarty. I don't think Chris Simon, Wade Belak, or Martin Lapointe would be a good addition. Prospal is at least semi talented, but another forward unless it was Hossa or someone like that wouldn't have helped in my opinion.

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I hope he can convince his girlfriend to move to Detroit, and he re-signs in the off-season. I think he'll be a great fit on the Wings, and hopefully he plays here for a while. The best part is he's still fairly yound, and has a lot of hockey left in him.

He's married, and has a kid.

Detroit actually tried to sign him during the off-season apparently, but he wanted to stay on the West Coast. <_<

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article...BLOG09/80226029

....well as long as he brings it against the Ducks/Stars/Sharks in playoffs.

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Ummm . . . Anaheim. That wasn't too hard.

Are you sure?

Lidstrom>Niedermayer

Rafalski<Pronger

Kronwall>Schneider

Stuart>Beauchemin

Chelios>O'Donnell

Lilja=Huskins

That sure looks to me like Detroit's D is better.

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Are you sure?

Lidstrom>Niedermayer

Rafalski<Pronger

Kronwall>Schneider

Stuart>Beauchemin

Chelios>O'Donnell

Lilja=Huskins

That sure looks to me like Detroit's D is better.

Bergeron>Lilja

Huskins wont be playing anymore.

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Are you sure?

Lidstrom>Niedermayer

Rafalski<Pronger

Kronwall>Schneider

Stuart>Beauchemin

Chelios>O'Donnell

Lilja=Huskins

That sure looks to me like Detroit's D is better.

Lidstrom>Niedermayer

Rafalski<Pronger

Kronwall<Schneider (come on now; Kronwall is not a top-pairing D, Schneider is)

Stuart=Beauchemin (Beauchemin is better defensively, Stuart is better offensively)

Chelios=O'Donnell (O'Donnell is just as gritty and responsible)

These last two are interchangable but...

Lilja<Huskins (Huskins is more consistent)

Lebda<Bergeron (Bergeron is more talented)

Sorry but a slight edge to Anaheim :thumbdown:

Edited by Cruiser008

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Kronwall<Schneider (come on now; Kronwall is not a top-pairing D, Schneider is)

Not this year. Kronwall has almost as many points as Schneider despite playing fewer minutes and one fewer game. But Kronwall is defensively solid, which is far more than Schneider can say. Both are top-pairing defensemen, but if I could only have one of them, and for only one season, I choose Kronner.

Stuart=Beauchemin (Beauchemin is better defensively, Stuart is better offensively)

Stuart and Beauchemin have very similar stats as far as goals, points, and +/- are concerned. The thing here? Stuart plays less per game and is on the worst team in the league. Beauchemin is on one of the best. So the fact that Stuart scores more per game=Stuart better offensively. Stuart's comparable +/- on a FAR worse team likely means he's better defensively too.

Chelios=O'Donnell (O'Donnell is just as gritty and responsible)

O'Donnell is a serviceable defenseman. But Chelios is still very good defensively; much better in that regard than O'Donnell. Neither brings offense and their physical game is similar.

These last two are interchangable but...

Lilja<Huskins (Huskins is more consistent)

Lebda<Bergeron (Bergeron is more talented)

Regardless of how you lay out the #6 and #7 defensemen, Detroit is better overall from #1 to #6.

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here's my thing,

i know he hasn't played yet but honestly,....i think ken holland is crazy like a fox.

Detroit has made a habit of taking players that had "lost it" and turned them into extremely effective players.

Look at Dan Cleary, before he came here he was basically out of the NHL, now he's a pivotal part of this team.

For D look at what Markov did last year, he went from a guy who had potential but never really lived up to it, to a guy who had a career year (granted his D partner was nick lidstrom so,...that's a big reason)

Lilja (sometimes,...not tonite though)

Samuelsson (when he's not sucking)

we're a team that seems to resurrect careers and i think stuart is going to be no exception.

When this season is over, i think we'll find he'll be a force

And lets not forget! Sammy is off the point! that alone makes this deadline a success!

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I love all those inequalities

my **** > your **** :hockeysmile:

geez... ppl do you realize it's completely different animal when it comes to playoffs

and if you want to measure D-men you have to pair them with forwards??

this guys don't play on paper but on the ice and what D-men are for is to stop

opposing scorers from getting close to the goal :)

enjoy those maths but please, don't put too much into this :)

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Great, the Wings could have had Markov for a whole season, for less money, and without giving up any draft picks. Truly, a mizer always ends up paying twice.

not at all.. Markov wouldn't take a one year deal, wanted 3 plus at over 3 a year... plus, he's not counting as a 3.5 cap hit, plus, LA already paid almost all of his salary, we're really only paying about 1 mil of his salary...

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I like this deal it gives Babcock some choices to make on D when everyone is healthy. Adds another pointman on the PP. Again wish they could have gotten a forward but Holland said they weren't willing to pay the price people were asking for the guys they were interesed in. You don't just get whoever because you need a forward and you don't over spend. People complain but in this salary cap era I have come except you can't win it every year because it's a level playing field. I would rather see them make this team good for years and years then give a lot of stuff away for one run at it this year, ie the Pens.

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...what did Columbus get for Fedorov? Washington's equivilant to Igor Grigorenko...

...I still hope Feds comes home in July, but forget the Stanley Cup dream this year...

Sorry Winger, but did it occur to you that perhaps the Wings don't want Fedorov at any price? As I heard this morning about that trade - "what, he still plays in the NHL?". He's over and done and wouldn't help and might hurt the dressing room.

This site is so much Feds this and Feds that. It's been years since he was an impact player. At least your GM has the brains to realize it.

As for Stuart. Good pickup by the Wings. He was a key to how far the Flames went last year... oh, wait, what? :rolleyes:

(Actually, with the injuries on D, I think this was a good move at low cost)

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Sorry Winger, but did it occur to you that perhaps the Wings don't want Fedorov at any price? As I heard this morning about that trade - "what, he still plays in the NHL?". He's over and done and wouldn't help and might hurt the dressing room.

This site is so much Feds this and Feds that. It's been years since he was an impact player. At least your GM has the brains to realize it.

I think he may find some of his old self with Caps. this is a young team with good Russians,

I can see Fedorov becoming a quality player there. might as well not happen but I can imagine

this being the right place and right time for Sergei

As for Stuart. Good pickup by the Wings. He was a key to how far the Flames went last year... oh, wait, what? :rolleyes:

(Actually, with the injuries on D, I think this was a good move at low cost)

I'd say, if you took media hype which let you believe there's only Phaneuf

on Flames D, there were two guys - Stuart and Giordano who did their

job fine if not spectacular. and of those guys Stuart and Giordano were less

prone to costly lapses than Phaneuf who was playing much below the hype

surrounding him. I mean - sure, I enjoy tough hits etc. but if there's just about

the single thing you do correctly... it's not a solid defense in my book

Stuart is a solid pickup for Wings. not a huge name but fits our lineup

and came really cheap. I'll take it :)

Edited by akustyk

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Sorry Winger, but did it occur to you that perhaps the Wings don't want Fedorov at any price? As I heard this morning about that trade - "what, he still plays in the NHL?". He's over and done and wouldn't help and might hurt the dressing room.

This site is so much Feds this and Feds that. It's been years since he was an impact player. At least your GM has the brains to realize it.

Agreed.

The fact that he was had so cheaply makes me think it's more likely Detroit didn't want him in any capacity, especially Babcock who coached him for a year in Anaheim, than that they just somehow screwed up the deal and got outbid with whoever that player is Columbus got in the deal.

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Sorry Winger, but did it occur to you that perhaps the Wings don't want Fedorov at any price? As I heard this morning about that trade - "what, he still plays in the NHL?". He's over and done and wouldn't help and might hurt the dressing room.

This site is so much Feds this and Feds that. It's been years since he was an impact player. At least your GM has the brains to realize it.

As for Stuart. Good pickup by the Wings. He was a key to how far the Flames went last year... oh, wait, what? :rolleyes:

(Actually, with the injuries on D, I think this was a good move at low cost)

Yes it's interesting that Holland suggested there were people in the organization that 'weren't on board" with Feds returning. Didn't sound like it was Holland himself, so maybe Babs, who knows. Sergei has done nothing significant since leaving the Wings - if he was so great still -he wouldn't be on his third post-wing team. Better to move on imo, and not live in the past like the Avs.

btw watched the game last night - totally sucks that the Avs won in SO - lame penalty call in OT too

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Agreed.

The fact that he was had so cheaply makes me think it's more likely Detroit didn't want him in any capacity, especially Babcock who coached him for a year in Anaheim, than that they just somehow screwed up the deal and got outbid with whoever that player is Columbus got in the deal.

It was said that a main reason why the Wings didn't get him was due to Babcock not being very fond of his attitude while he was coaching him in Anaheim.

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It was said that a main reason why the Wings didn't get him was due to Babcock not being very fond of his attitude while he was coaching him in Anaheim.

Exactly why I was so against the thought of bringing him back.

I don't know if anyone remembers, but he was poor in work ethic and team attitude with the exception of the first two cup runs. His attitude was always a problem, but we managed because; he was gifted as hell, the coaching was the greatest ever, and there were so many stars/chemistry that his secondary role didn't demand everything from him.

Hate to say it but those things are not as strong as they were then.

Fedorov would have most likely did more harm then good.

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I really like this move. There were so few mid-level guys out there this year (with parity and all) and I would have been pissed if Detroit bet the farm to get a guy like Hossa. Last year we get ripped off by Florida (losing Shawn Matthias) to get Bertuzzi who had very little impact in the playoffs; this year all we gave up was a 2nd and a 4th to acquire a guy who will almost certainly be more of a factor (he'll definitely play more minutes since he's a D-man). People might say that we needed more scoring; well yes but a lot of our offense comes from activating the D, which we are better at doing than anyone else in the league. Moreover apart from Hossa and Richards there weren't any top-6 forwards anyways (Ruutu is NOT a scoring Winger at the moment and Fedorov has looked very tentative since his concussion).

Foote preferred Colorado to Detroit, not to mention the price for him was steep. The only other alternative was Hal Gill. Now Gill is fairly responsible defensively, can clear the crease and has a great reach. However his outlet pass is non-existent so he wouldn't fit into our puck-possession game at all. Stuart is prone to the occasional brain cramp, but he skates well, throws his body and can also play on the PP. Granted he has been inconsistent since his days as a Shark, but if Stuart rediscovers his full potential he has 2nd/3rd D-man upside.

I like this post, well put. :thumbup:

Welcome to the Red Wings Brad! I remember you being a pain in the ass against us in last year's playoffs, keep it up!

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]Not this year. Kronwall has almost as many points as Schneider despite playing fewer minutes and one fewer game. But Kronwall is defensively solid, which is far more than Schneider can say. Both are top-pairing defensemen, but if I could only have one of them, and for only one season, I choose Kronner.[/font]

What a way to misrepresent statistics eva.

Schneider has played 1 more game and has 5 more points. Kronwall would have to play 58 games to match Schneider's point total in 49 games. Minutes, schminutes, his output per game is what it is and it's not "almost as many" as Schnieder.

As for defensive solidness, Kronner has been one of the resident whipping boys here for years, prone to blunders time and time again. IMO, neither one is better than the other at this point.

By the way, Schneider is +20 this year to Kronner's +16.

Now i'm sure you'll find some way to tweak the numbers to try and make a point but as far as +/- goes, let's take a look see.

Schneider

2008 +20

2007 +12

2006 +33

2004 +22

For all his defensive troubles that his detractors like to point out (like they're any more than Lilja or Kronwall's for that matter) Schnides has not been a minus player since the 1999-2000 season.

Now look at Kronner

2008 +16

2007 even

2006 +11

2004 +5

I'm not saying Kronner isn't a good dman but for any excuse you can make like Kronner didn't play with Nick or he's younger I can make an excuse for Schneider in that he posted + numbers playing for the freaking Kings and for a guy who is primarily known as a power play specialist, he doesn't put up nearly as many PP points as you'd think. What does that mean? It means that a large percentage of his points come at even strength and the strength of his +/- shows he is helping his team score more when he's on the ice than he's hurting his team when he's on the ice.

I'd rather have Kronner than Schnides at this point in their careers but just because you don't like him (which has been made abundantly clear by you over the years) doesn't mean you should willy, nilly make claims that he's better than Schnider and try to confuse people by saying that their numbers are pretty close even though Kronner hasn't played as much when in reality their numbers aren't pretty close at all.

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OK, quit pointing out D vs. D, it's stupid. The only way you can measure a team's defense is through team stats, it's how they work as a corps not as individuals, all this >/< crap is stupid and irrelevant.

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Yes it's interesting that Holland suggested there were people in the organization that 'weren't on board" with Feds returning. Didn't sound like it was Holland himself, so maybe Babs, who knows. Sergei has done nothing significant since leaving the Wings - if he was so great still -he wouldn't be on his third post-wing team. Better to move on imo, and not live in the past like the Avs.

btw watched the game last night - totally sucks that the Avs won in SO - lame penalty call in OT too

Ya - it was a weak call, esp when they let the trip go on Phaneuf just as time ran out in the third. The PP that led to the tying goal was also a weak call. But that's hockey. Wild had a goal disallowed against the Flames in the prior game which would have tied the game up. Over 82 games ya gotta think it all evens out.

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I think he may find some of his old self with Caps. this is a young team with good Russians,

I can see Fedorov becoming a quality player there. might as well not happen but I can imagine

this being the right place and right time for Sergei

I'd say, if you took media hype which let you believe there's only Phaneuf

on Flames D, there were two guys - Stuart and Giordano who did their

job fine if not spectacular. and of those guys Stuart and Giordano were less

prone to costly lapses than Phaneuf who was playing much below the hype

surrounding him. I mean - sure, I enjoy tough hits etc. but if there's just about

the single thing you do correctly... it's not a solid defense in my book

Stuart is a solid pickup for Wings. not a huge name but fits our lineup

and came really cheap. I'll take it :)

I was kidding about Stuart. I think he could work out well on the Wings and he certainly wasn't a liability for the Flames last year. The problem with Stuart for Flames fans is they remember him as a member of the Calgary Hitmen when he was in junior. He seemed like a much better defenseman back then. Of course its easier to shine when you're an NHL calibre player but you aren't playing against a team full of NHL calibre players. I think the Wings got the best dman available to them. :thumbup:

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