Schneider waived by Ducks/traded to Atlanta.

[Zion 93]

Sidenote 2: I'm seriously so bored with this debate now.

Edited September 18, 2008 by Zion

[HenryMalredo 2]

Interesting on the "additional players" bit. The other GMs KNOW that they have Burke over a barrel and there ain't a damn thing he can do about it. If he wants to get rid of Schneider, he's gonna have to lose something else too - most likely a roster player, considering the leverage they have (or do they mean an additional player coming Anaheim's way?).

As far as the Teemu signing for the minimum, there's no way the NHLPA would allow it. Think of it this way - would the NHLPA have allowed Sakic to re-sign with the Avs for, say, $2M? Of course not. Teemu's 38, Sakic's 39, so there's a similarity in age. Their stats are comparable as well, taking into account the abbreviated 07-08 seasons both had (Sakic had 40 pts in 44 games, Teemu had 23 points in 26 games). Sakic is getting paid $6M this season, which for his production and skill set is fair market value...so, to be honest, I'd think the NHLPA would even be skeptical with a $3M contract right now, much less a league minimum. $3M is a huge discount - $500K is just ridiculous.

There's nothing the NHLPA can do about it. They can complain to the player and his agent, or try to push them to go for a better contract, but they can't do much besides that.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

You tapped out.

Nope, just bored with repeating myself.

[HenrikRules40 14]

Sidenote: Yes, I got rid of your font when I quoted you in this post.

Classic.

[edicius 3,269]

I'm in no way contradicting myself. Alfredsson, while an elite player in the league is passed his prime and potential upside. Heatley and Spezza are *just* hitting it now thus their higher salaries. Now before you hit the reply button notice this: Age absolutely plays a part in salary, hence why Teemu could (and should) have a reduced one. However, the league minimum (for the millionth time in this thread) for Teemu is not the same as an average Cap hit for Alf at 4,338,996. Again, a *reasonable* home-town discount to keep his team competitive.

Compare him to Sakic like I did. Both have similar production and Sakic is only a year older than Selanne...and he's making $6M this season. I'd think a reasonable discount for Selanne would be in the $3-4M range.

But I suppose we can armchair GM this to death all day.

[Doggy 130]

the whole cap system is messsed up although i gotta say that salarycap, nhlpa-like-associations only work in closed american leagues..

Nhl today

how is a team gonna become superior to another if a player can't choose a contract himself without a possibility that NHLPA will say NO TOO LOW BROOO, A cap that's ridiculously low so a team can't buy more star players.. most team only got 3-4 star players these days, no fun, and the best team won't be able to get the best young players cause they played too good the previous season... when one starts think about it it's pretty sick...

BRING ME THE OLD DAYSSSS or make it more like international soccer where you can buy players even if they got contract, just get the money big boiii!

Yeah, for sure. The English Premier League is so exciting. Which one of four teams will win this year? Just like it's been for the past 20 years and will continue to be for the next 20. If the NHL became like that I'd stop watching.

Teams can become superior through good management. Like Detroit has.

[eva unit zero 271]

Compare him to Sakic like I did. Both have similar production and Sakic is only a year older than Selanne...and he's making $6M this season. I'd think a reasonable discount for Selanne would be in the $3-4M range.

But I suppose we can armchair GM this to death all day.

$3m would be a raise for Selanne though. His cap hit last season over a full season would have been about $2.75m.

[thedisappearer 291]

Yes, I got rid of your font when I quoted you in this post.

Thank you. Thank you so damn much. For real.

[Doggy 130]

I gotta say guys, I don't believe the PA has any legal right to reject a SPC solely for being too far below its value. They might not be happy about it but they really can't do anything, as far as I know. Maybe I'm wrong.

Either way, it feels totally wrong because I'm agreeing with eva.

I need to take a shower now.

[A.T.Hun 0]

I know what Det and Ana should do... a gm switch for like 3 seasons and see what happens just think about it.... Z on waivers...

I think I had a brief coronary there.

Anyway, Detroit fans would already know what that's like. Two words: Matt Millen.

Sorry, that might even have been a low blow for old Burkie. Nevertheless, I feel for you Duck Guy.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

I gotta say guys, I don't believe the PA has any legal right to reject a SPC solely for being too far below its value. They might not be happy about it but they really can't do anything, as far as I know. Maybe I'm wrong.

Either way, it feels totally wrong because I'm agreeing with eva.

I need to take a shower now.

I don't know about legal right to act. This all started with what I thought was relatively harmless speculation on my part about how there could be problems with a contract so out of whack with market value.

I seem to remember in the past the NHLPA getting bent out of shape when one of their members was working a deal significantly below their market value (well below home-town discount). Even if they didn't have the contractual leverage to kill the deal, the PA could raise a stink and basically lean on a player not to accept it.

Like I said though, it was just speculation on my part, based on vague memories of it happening in the past. Then Mr. Statistics got involved and s*** spiraled out of control.

[Guest mindfly]

Yeah, for sure. The English Premier League is so exciting. Which one of four teams will win this year? Just like it's been for the past 20 years and will continue to be for the next 20. If the NHL became like that I'd stop watching.

Teams can become superior through good management. Like Detroit has.

Detroit ain't superior in any way, its the team with the least injuries and most luck that win games during regular season, then come playoff time it's mostly routine, and of course injuries.

[thedisappearer 291]

I don't know about legal right to act. This all started with what I thought was relatively harmless speculation on my part about how there could be problems with a contract so out of whack with market value.

I seem to remember in the past the NHLPA getting bent out of shape when one of their members was working a deal significantly below their market value (well below home-town discount). Even if they didn't have the contractual leverage to kill the deal, the PA could raise a stink and basically lean on a player not to accept it.

Like I said though, it was just speculation on my part, based on vague memories of it happening in the past. Then Mr. Statistics got involved and s*** spiraled out of control.

I recall the NHLPA being pissed at Chelios for his contracts with Detroit. And I recall him him telling the NHLPA to suck it.

[thedisappearer 291]

Detroit ain't superior in any way, its the team with the least injuries and most luck that win games during regular season, then come playoff time it's mostly routine, and of course injuries.

No.

Just... no.

[Doggy 130]

Detroit ain't superior in any way, its the team with the least injuries and most luck that win games during regular season, then come playoff time it's mostly routine, and of course injuries.

Yeah I just can't agree with a syllable you've posted, kid. Might just leave it at that.

[eva unit zero 271]

I don't know about legal right to act. This all started with what I thought was relatively harmless speculation on my part about how there could be problems with a contract so out of whack with market value.

I seem to remember in the past the NHLPA getting bent out of shape when one of their members was working a deal significantly below their market value (well below home-town discount). Even if they didn't have the contractual leverage to kill the deal, the PA could raise a stink and basically lean on a player not to accept it.

Like I said though, it was just speculation on my part, based on vague memories of it happening in the past. Then Mr. Statistics got involved and s*** spiraled out of control.

Leaning on a player is one thing. The way you and someone else worded it was as if the PA had some sort of veto power over the contract, as if Selanne could negotiate a deal at the minimum with Burke and then the PA could say 'sorry, you're a top player in the league, you can't sign for that amount.' and tell him he wasn't going to get a deal for anything less than what they felt was fair. I pointed out that wasn't the case, and a bunch of people felt the need to jump back at me with the 'Oh yes it is!' arguments.

Like I said, I can even bring up cases of the PA leaning on players; the PA leaned on Chelios going into the summer to wait until free agency began before signing his new contract. Chelios commented on it saying he wanted to just sign and get it over with.

[Guest mindfly]

No.

Just... no.

erhm do you really think detroit is superior then? no! i thought so.

[norrisnick 1]

erhm do you really think detroit is superior then? no! i thought so.

To every other NHL team? Absolutely. The 29 teams say the same.

[thedisappearer 291]

erhm do you really think detroit is superior then? no! i thought so.

Actually, I think they are. They have a superior owner, GM, coach, scouts, defense, offense, and the goaltending is above solid.

So... erhm, I do. And the fact you didn't think so shows that maybe... just maybe... you didn't think.

[Dabura 12,232]

To every other NHL team? Absolutely. The 29 teams say the same.

As does practically every relevant media outlet -- even the ones on the Brian Burke bandwagon:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writ...x.html#?eref=T1

[daniel1 32]

lol people DO realize teemu will sign for the minimum (or close to it)... and even if the ducks have to pay 50% they are 422,500 over and that shouldn't be hard to get rid of no? Or iam being a little to optimistic? Someone needs to make the CBA guidlines for dummies... this whole waiver thing is hard for me hahah

If they're 422G over and Selanne signs for 550G then they need to clear at least about 1mil off the books. Who do you think is going to help Burke out by taking a lower tier guy off his hands when everyone wants the roster spots to evaluate their own prospects at this time of year, not the Ducks Discards. About the only two guys with real trade value that aren't "untouchable" on the Ducks roster are Pahlsson and Beauchemin and if Burke gets rid of them so he can sign his sweetie Selanne then he's a bigger idiot than I previously thought.

That Andy MacDonald trade had to be one of the worst ones in recent memory... Doug Weight?.... more like dead weight. Maybe Burke should phone up his buddy Lowe and ask him if Penner is available straight up for Getzlaf? (cause we all know he'll never get over it). That would be about the same rate of return he got for Andy Mac.

If the league makes Giggy the Michelin Man deflate his bomb-proof equipment by a few inches and the Ducks don't get some help scoring goals from somebody (Bobby Ryan maybe?) they'll be hard pressed to even make the playoffs this year.

So I guess I would say "yes", you're being a wee bit optimistic.

[Duck Guy 86]

If they're 422G over and Selanne signs for 550G then they need to clear at least about 1mil off the books. Who do you think is going to help Burke out by taking a lower tier guy off his hands when everyone wants the roster spots to evaluate their own prospects at this time of year, not the Ducks Discards. About the only two guys with real trade value that aren't "untouchable" on the Ducks roster are Pahlsson and Beauchemin and if Burke gets rid of them so he can sign his sweetie Selanne then he's a bigger idiot than I previously thought.

That Andy MacDonald trade had to be one of the worst ones in recent memory... Doug Weight?.... more like dead weight. Maybe Burke should phone up his buddy Lowe and ask him if Penner is available straight up for Getzlaf? (cause we all know he'll never get over it). That would be about the same rate of return he got for Andy Mac.

If the league makes Giggy the Michelin Man deflate his bomb-proof equipment by a few inches and the Ducks don't get some help scoring goals from somebody (Bobby Ryan maybe?) they'll be hard pressed to even make the playoffs this year.

So I guess I would say "yes", you're being a wee bit optimistic.

if he gets rid of one of them i will die a thousand deaths then go on a heated anti burke rampage of doom

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Detroit ain't superior in any way, its the team with the least injuries and most luck that win games during regular season, then come playoff time it's mostly routine, and of course injuries.

I don't try to brag or gloat like I'm the big and bad tough guy on the block, and the latter part of your statement definitely hold a lot of truth, but to discredit what Detroit did this postseason is pretty silly. True they were fortunate to be healthy for the most part this past playoffs, but you don't win 9 games in a row in the postseason (games 5/6 vs. Nashville, 4 in a row vs. Colorado, games 1/2/3 vs. Dallas) by not being a damned good team.

[barabbas16 499]

if he gets rid of one of them i will die a thousand deaths then go on a heated anti burke rampage of doom

HAhahahahahaha! Hilarious.

[Konnan511 1,736]

if he gets rid of one of them i will die a thousand deaths then go on a heated anti burke rampage of doom

One of us! One of us!