Schneider waived by Ducks/traded to Atlanta.

[lfd250 1]

He left to be closer to home in LA. That's why most think he will end up there. I don't think it was because he didn't like the wings.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Many people are saying haha Burke you got nothing for him, true but they also didnt give up anything to get him.

Burke may have signed him for 2 reasons 1 a good defenceman and 2 taking away a defenceman from a rival team oops Detroit countered signing Rafalski.

I don't fault Burke for signing Schneider. At the time he thought Niedermayer was retiring. He had to scramble to fill a mighty big hole in his defensive corps.

It just seems strange he couldn't get anything for Schneider in trade. As NFM#25 pointed out, his salary isn't that bad relative to the market. He's a veteran D-man who can log big minutes, is great on the PP and has a good slapshot.

And I can never remember exactly how the waiver system works, but if he's picked up by another team, isn't Burke still on the hook for a part of his salary?

[SweWings 45]

HA!

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Won't be a suprise to see him end up back in the Kings uniform by the start of the season.

[Konnan511 1,736]

Not surprising that the Ducks didn't get anything for him, If you look at the numbers only 12 teams could fit him under their cap. Another 3 of those teams already have a full roster, with another 3 that still need to sign more depth, but wouldn't be able to if they picked up Schneids salary. So that leaves 7 teams realistically that could sign him (TOR, CLB, NSH, NYI, PHX, ATL, LA). We know TOR wouldn't trade for him since they are rebuilding completely. NSH is trying to sell themselves so they are out. ATL doesn't seem like they care about winning or contributing anything so that nixes them.

That leaves basically CLB, NYI, PHX and LA that would have traded for him. Not hard to reason that all 4 teams knew this, they knew that ANA only had a couple of options, so you bet they low-balled the heck out of Burke, not to mention I don't see NYI/PHX wanting a 39 D-Man with maybe a year left of playing for close to $6 Mil. So if CLB wouldn't trade for him and LA knew they were the last team, and they knew he'd be going to waivers, you bet your butt they would take their chances on waivers then give up anything.

[edicius 3,269]

Explain.

My math has this giving ANA $4.437 million worth of Cap room *given* that a team claims him.

Before Schneider got waived, the Ducks were $3.235M (according to NHLSCap.com) over the cap. Schneider's salary cap hit for 08-09 is $5.625M (salary is $5.75M).

$3.235

-5.623

-$2.388M (under the cap)

And if Schneids is claimed on re-entry waivers, that actually ends up putting the Ducks back over the cap (50% of the cost, right?) by almost $500K.

How'd you arrive at your number?

Edited September 16, 2008 by edicius

[edicius 3,269]

I don't fault Burke for signing Schneider. At the time he thought Niedermayer was retiring. He had to scramble to fill a mighty big hole in his defensive corps.

It just seems strange he couldn't get anything for Schneider in trade. As NFM#25 pointed out, his salary isn't that bad relative to the market. He's a veteran D-man who can log big minutes, is great on the PP and has a good slapshot.

And I can never remember exactly how the waiver system works, but if he's picked up by another team, isn't Burke still on the hook for a part of his salary?

From what I read on it today (I wasn't sure either), Anaheim would be on the hook for 50% of his salary. Correct?

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

From what I read on it today (I wasn't sure either), Anaheim would be on the hook for 50% of his salary. Correct?

that's how I thought it worked, but honestly I can never keep all the CBA stuff straight, particularly when it comes to waivers.

That would be pretty funny though that Burke is paying $2.6 mill for Bert and then 50% of Schneder's salary this season.

[uk_redwing 495]

This made me lol.

[Scotty 0]

Detroit could use more defensemen...

No Really! Picture this as our defense core:

Lidstrom, Rafalski, Stuart, Kronwall, Schneider, Lebda, Chelios, and Meech (or Quincey). Not that we have the cap space. Either way it's gonna be a fun year.

Edited September 16, 2008 by Scotty

[Yzerfan1999 81]

Jesus, I didn't know he was 39 already. Time flies.

[daniel1 32]

Somebody gotta inform Burke that it's legal to trade players. First Bryzgalov, now Schneider. If Chicago got for Langer 2nd Round pick...

I seriously wonder if other GM's are not having anything to do with Burke because he's such an ass. Maybe he doesn't want Shneids to go to a contender either.

[YoungGuns1340 1]

I seriously wonder if other GM's are not having anything to do with Burke because he's such an ass. Maybe he doesn't want Shneids to go to a contender either.

I doubt thats the case. Teams will do anything to improve their team, given the asking price is reasonable. Either the asking price was too high for their tastes or there wasn't anyone who so desperately needed Schneider that they'd trade for him. Of the teams that were rumored to be interested, none of them actually confirmed that they were interested.

[chrisdetroit 189]

I don't fault Burke for signing Schneider. At the time he thought Niedermayer was retiring. He had to scramble to fill a mighty big hole in his defensive corps.

It just seems strange he couldn't get anything for Schneider in trade. As NFM#25 pointed out, his salary isn't that bad relative to the market. He's a veteran D-man who can log big minutes, is great on the PP and has a good slapshot.

And I can never remember exactly how the waiver system works, but if he's picked up by another team, isn't Burke still on the hook for a part of his salary?

Burke is an idiot but I can understand him waving Schneider... sort of..

Schneids is 39 years old and makes 5.75 mil a year and has had injury problems the last few yeas. I know he had a good year last year but I'd think twice about paying that kind of money for him plus giving up something to get him. I doubt the Burke had many offers for Schneids.

And Anaheim will die without Selanne. They finished near the bottom of the league in scoring last year.

Obviously a good GM (or even a decent GM) could have worked out some kind of deal but he obviously wasn't dealing from a position of strength.

14 UFA's and 2 RFA's next year...hehehehehe...

This is GREAT!

[Zion 93]

Outstanding.

Thanks for leaving, Schneids. Way to go, Burke!

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

And to think I used to think highly of this guy, Brian Burke is a maroon who inherited a championship team. He has waived Bryzgalov, Schnieder and Bertuzzi in the past year, all the while making his team worse for it.

As for Matty, I hope he ends up somewhere where I can cheer for him, because I still love the guy.

[shannyfan1414 0]

I have to say that i'm a little happy about this one. I was son angry with him when he left Detroit for the Lame Ducks.

[T.Low 1,011]

What would make this really funny, as it pertains to the brilliance of Burke, would be if the Ducks had to put Schneider on re-entry waivers.

Hey, missed ya on the LandBruiser thread.

http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13323

Here's my "AstroLander".

http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthre...7756&page=7

Oh, and yeah, Burke's a jaggoff and all that.

[#19forPresident! 1]

Burke is just too egotistical to take a realistic offer.

:siren: ding ding ding! tell him what he's won Bob! :siren:

[Duck Guy 86]

Oh well good luck to Schneider where ever he ends up .... still mad he is gone trade or no trade

[miller76 463]

Oh well good luck to Schneider where ever he ends up .... still mad he is gone trade or no trade

We all new it was coming. I sometimes read some of the rumor stuff on him. The teams consistently being brought up are LA, NJ, Boston, St.L, and NYI. I hope he goes to LA, that way I can see him play some more.

[rage 24]

Not surprising that the Ducks didn't get anything for him, If you look at the numbers only 12 teams could fit him under their cap. Another 3 of those teams already have a full roster, with another 3 that still need to sign more depth, but wouldn't be able to if they picked up Schneids salary. So that leaves 7 teams realistically that could sign him (TOR, CLB, NSH, NYI, PHX, ATL, LA). We know TOR wouldn't trade for him since they are rebuilding completely. NSH is trying to sell themselves so they are out. ATL doesn't seem like they care about winning or contributing anything so that nixes them.

That leaves basically CLB, NYI, PHX and LA that would have traded for him. Not hard to reason that all 4 teams knew this, they knew that ANA only had a couple of options, so you bet they low-balled the heck out of Burke, not to mention I don't see NYI/PHX wanting a 39 D-Man with maybe a year left of playing for close to $6 Mil. So if CLB wouldn't trade for him and LA knew they were the last team, and they knew he'd be going to waivers, you bet your butt they would take their chances on waivers then give up anything.

This is a GREAT post!!

[eva unit zero 271]

Anaheim now needs to pick up one more defenseman to take his place. They also need to get Ryan and Selanne (or another forward) under contract, and to do it within the $4m cap space opened by waiving Schneider.

If the events of last season are repeated in terms of player performance, Burke has just given up his best defenseman for nothing. At best, he has given up a very good defenseman who could have garnered at the very least one decent pick from a couple of bad teams that were desperate for a good offensive defenseman like Schneider; the same kind of teams that now have free access to him.

Moreover....fourth-liner Todd Marchant and third-pairing defender Sean O'Donnell could have been replaced with no significant loss of performance by players making close to the minimum wage. That would have cleared up almost as much cap space and brought in more youth to the roster, while maintaining a better group of players and paying much less for the depth players.

[Doggy 130]

Moreover....fourth-liner Todd Marchant and third-pairing defender Sean O'Donnell could have been replaced with no significant loss of performance by players making close to the minimum wage. That would have cleared up almost as much cap space and brought in more youth to the roster, while maintaining a better group of players and paying much less for the depth players.

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Guys like Marchant and O'Donnell are the core of the Ducks team. Marchant is to the Ducks is as Draper is to us. They would be a significant loss. Possibly moreso and all the while jettisoning far less salary than Schneider.

Besides, this is much easier said than done. He would need to trade them to roughly equal the space buying out Schneider would open. But then you'd need to bring in two more guys which is another $1m min.

It's just a shocking alternative really.

BTW, Ryan is under contract til the end of the 09/10 season.

[eva unit zero 271]

Guys like Marchant and O'Donnell are the core of the Ducks team. Marchant is to the Ducks is as Draper is to us. They would be a significant loss. Possibly moreso and all the while jettisoning far less salary than Schneider.

Besides, this is much easier said than done. He would need to trade them to roughly equal the space buying out Schneider would open. But then you'd need to bring in two more guys which is another $1m min.

It's just a shocking alternative really.

BTW, Ryan is under contract til the end of the 09/10 season.

I said Ryan; I meant Drew Miller. Slip of the...fingers?

Anyway, I stated that Marchant and O'Donnell could be replaced with little difference in performance by minimum wage players. That should have been enough to indicate that I felt that is what Burke should have done. 2.5m+ for a fourth line center is way too much.