red_wing 1 Report post Posted February 11, 2009 (edited) I never realized this until today, but check out this quote from NHL.com There was a reminder for teams on the outside looking in at the playoffs when the trading deadline comes around that all is not lost. In February 2004, the Washington Capitals traded veteran center Robert Lang to Detroit for prospect Tomas Fleischmann and two draft choices. The Red Wings won three playoff series in the three postseasons Lang played in Detroit. Meanwhile, Fleischmann has a career-high 15 goals this season. And the first-round pick Washington got from Detroit became All-Star defenseman Mike Green, who leads the League's blueliners with 15 goals and 40 points, despite missing 13 games earlier in the season with an injury. Crazy, eh? I didn't realize that our first rounder gave them Green. Edited February 11, 2009 by red_wing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted February 11, 2009 The Wings should consider fielding a second team so they have room for all these guys. As it is they're stocked up on talent. Anybody else want a couple Greens or Fleischmanns? It's a Wings prospect blow-out, we're practically giving them away! Literally, in Quincey case. Anyways, I wouldn't trade any number of 4th forwards and middling 2nd-3rd liners for this: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slave 31 Report post Posted February 11, 2009 even with them getting green, we are loaded with prospects on the blue so if we had taken green which there is no guarantee we would have he would prob be in GR still or a 5th/6th guy who we would not be able to afford after this season anyways....plus how many cups have washington won with green on their roster....? Lang was a huge floater out there but he was clutch offensively when we needed him, sure we didn't win a cup with lang but there were also 27 other teams that didn't win the cup in those 3 years as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted February 11, 2009 Green is too terrible defensively to fly in Detroit. He's suited to the run-and-gun era where d-men were just forwards that didn't line up at centre ice, not to an era where d-men are expected to take care of their own zone instead of pinching in every chance, regardless of whether there's someone to cover him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted February 11, 2009 Whos to say we would've selected Green with that pick? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maltbymaniac 13 Report post Posted February 11, 2009 The Wings should consider fielding a second team so they have room for all these guys. As it is they're stocked up on talent. Anybody else want a couple Greens or Fleischmanns? It's a Wings prospect blow-out, we're practically giving them away! Literally, in Quincey case. Anyways, I wouldn't trade any number of 4th forwards and middling 2nd-3rd liners for this: lmao.good one, my friend Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redwings604 0 Report post Posted February 11, 2009 Yah definetly lost out on that trade i looked into that long ago definetly was not worth it just like gettting bertuzzi DUMMBBB s*** Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted February 11, 2009 Green wouldn't be able to cut it in the Western Conference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mors 201 Report post Posted February 11, 2009 Blah blah, I'm not worried about losing Fleischmann. I had to laugh when I was in DC and people were rocking his jersey... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blueliner 69 Report post Posted February 12, 2009 (edited) Whos to say we would've selected Green with that pick? Maybe we would have taken Johan Fransson. He went to Dallas for the 34th overall pick. I think they pick they wrong Johan. Or Alexander Elder (3rd round), and Mark Streit (9th round) Edited February 12, 2009 by Blueliner Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted February 12, 2009 Yah definetly lost out on that trade i looked into that long ago definetly was not worth it just like gettting bertuzzi DUMMBBB s*** Nope. The Bertuzzi trade was brilliant on Holland's part. He picked up a potential impact player at the cost of a marginal prospect. Said prospect later impressed in his first NHL call up (2 goals in his second game) but it should be noted that he hasn't cracked the roster since. Regardless, Holland didn't have a crystal ball. Based on the evidence at that time it was a brilliant trade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Statts 4 Report post Posted February 12, 2009 Meh The trade was in the pre cap days when the Wings traded picks away like they were nothing. Besides I think Bobby was # 1 in points when we traded for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clutchngrab 12 Report post Posted February 12, 2009 Lang was leading the league in scoring for a large portion of the season we got him and then I recall he was injured. He never quite raised to the same heights as a wing, but it was a reasonable gamble at the time. Bertuzzi was an even bigger gamble that failed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skacore 2 Report post Posted February 12, 2009 Green is Canadian.. we would have drafted a Euro in the 1st round Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted February 12, 2009 Lang was leading the league in scoring for a large portion of the season we got him and then I recall he was injured. He never quite raised to the same heights as a wing, but it was a reasonable gamble at the time. Bertuzzi was an even bigger gamble that failed. And the Bertuzzi trade was still worth a shot I think, despite his "incident" or or any baggage from it or whatever. It's easy to say these trades didn't work out well after they happened, but at the time, I was pretty happy to get both Lang and Bertuzzi when the trades happened. Sometimes s**t doesn't quite work out your way completely regarding these things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sureWhyNot 19 Report post Posted February 12, 2009 I wouldnt say we lost on the trade whatsoever. I mean claiming that the Wings "could have" drafted Mike Green and then factoring that into deciding whether it was a bad move is borderline retarted. The number of examples you could of times where teams traded away a spot which turned out to be used as a pic for a star is endless, and is worse then nitpiking through the past at draft picks we passed up in favor for some other kid who turned out to be a bust. As for Fleishmann, he is having a good season on a team that is chalk full of talent. That said I still would have traded Lang for him knowing the end result (I am not even taking the Green "could have" situation into acount on the basis it stretches "would of, could of, should of" too far for me). I guess though to really asses the "winner" and "loser" in this trade we will have to wait a couple years for Fleischmann to develop so who knows. Tomas Fleischmann: 2005-06 WAS 14 0 2 2 -7 2006-07 WAS 29 4 4 8 -6 2007-08 WAS 75 10 20 30 -7 2008-09 WAS 45 15 11 26 -4 Robert Lang: 2003-04 WAS 63 29 45 74 +2 2003-04 DET 6 1 4 5 +2 2005-06 DET 72 20 42 62 +17 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
red_wing 1 Report post Posted February 12, 2009 First of all, I wasn't saying that we would have taken Green. Haha. Secondly, I wasn't saying it was too bad we lost Fleischman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted February 12, 2009 Lang is hot. esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted February 12, 2009 Green has another 2 goals and is +3 so far tonight.....I think that puts him at 21 goals (way ahead of 2nd place defenseman) and 47pts (also 1st) and his +24 would tie him for 3rd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted February 12, 2009 Green is Canadian.. we would have drafted a Euro in the 1st round I was waiting for someone to post this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted February 12, 2009 Anyone who says Green couldnt cut it in the Western Conference, hasnt watched much of his career. The kid is tough, he wont drop the gloves everygame, but he`s tough. He isnt half as bad defensively as people make him out to be, he is however very turnover prone and that is the biggest strike against him. He`s young, he`ll make mistakes, but man I would kill to have him in Detroit. Thing is, we likely wouldnt have drafted Green with the pick any ways. Haha, Fliechsman, watch how he plays in the playoffs before you evalute that guy, Fillpula is better then him. We didnt lose diddly squat in Tomas Flieshman. Besides, deep down inside, everyone loved Lang. Plus, he was great for us in the playoffs. Sure, he couldnt control his love for cheeseburgers, but I dont blame him for that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reilly 24 Report post Posted February 12, 2009 That was what? 5 years ago? Do you people want to win a Stanley Cup every year? Or compile the best prospects? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted February 12, 2009 Whos to say we would've selected Green with that pick? Exactly. I hate 'they traded pick 45 which team X used to select player Y'. It's all hypothetical. What I am disappointed at is losing Flesichmann, always have been, always will. Very good player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted February 12, 2009 sigh......good old Lang. i dont think we necessarily "lost" the trade for Lang at all. Albeit he didnt have the best numbers in his last year here. but to be fair he was playing a pretty monster game with the habs before his unfortunate injury. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted February 12, 2009 (edited) Lang needed a different environment to prosper. He is a good player, just may of been a little stale or suppressed in Detroit. Edited February 12, 2009 by Rivalred Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
