wmubronco420 25 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 (edited) Does the overall team defense seem to play better in front of Ty Conklin? I mean, last nights game i think conks was really tested like 1-2 times tops. While ozzy seems to get quite a bit more quality chances on him, and sees more defensive lapses in front of him. Or maybe im just blinded by my love for ozzy and im making up excuses for him... what do you guys think? p.s. i dont mean to create another goalie thread, but just wanted to share my thoughts Edited February 19, 2009 by wmubronco420 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted February 19, 2009 I don't think they trust Osgood as much as Conklin therefore there are more mistakes and letdowns in defense when Osgood is there... just my 2. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 Conlin is way better than Osgood so far, that's the difference. Osgood screwes up too often. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 Osgood's positioning has not been good this year, he is opening himself for a lot more "bad bounces" then he has in the past. His mechanics aren't as sharp. There is such a thing as "bad bounces", but not "consistent bad bounces". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 Osgood has just been unlucky... in 90% of the games he has played this season I'm rooting for Ozzie, but let's not sugarcoat it and say this season has been anything but a disaster for him so far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C-TownWing 0 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 Does the overall team defense seem to play better in front of Ty Conklin? I mean, last nights game i think conks was really tested like 1-2 times tops. While ozzy seems to get quite a bit more quality chances on him, and sees more defensive lapses in front of him. Or maybe im just blinded by my love for ozzy and im making up excuses for him... what do you guys think? p.s. i dont mean to create another goalie thread, but just wanted to share my thoughts That same thing actually crossed my mind last night...I was comparing/contrasting with the Columbus game last Friday where the d-zone lapses were so bad that they didn't even have to pass from the half boards into the slot, they just walked it right in. To his credit, Ozzie made great saves all three times I remember that happening. I think with our D, I don't know that they'd change their game based on how they feel about the goalie, and like SandMan pointed out, if they did play like they feel less confident in Ozzie, the result would be pretty much the opposite of what's happening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtomicPunk 296 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 Maybe they were on the power play so much last night that Conks didn't see half the shots he would have normally? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmubronco420 25 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 I'm not just talking about last night, just using it as an example. Its something I've noticed throughout the year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hillbillywingsfan 794 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 no matter what you name a thread when you talk about the goalie its still a goalie thread....and not another one...we had like 100 of them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wombat 26 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 Seems like it would be the opposite then. We have a veteran team / Defensman. Seems like if they *feel* less confident with Osgood, they'd play tighter and make the more simple plays. I think Osgood is just been unlucky and dealing with the bad bounces moreso than Conkin. Osgood hasn't been bad, he's just been unlucky. I'm not sure... it could be that with less confidence in the goaltender, they may play tighter and "think" more instead of reacting and playing loose in the system. Didn't Osgood a couple weeks ago say that the team needs to play looser and Babcock said there was one way to do that (get better goaltending being the implication)? I think last year the team was more comfortable with Ozzy back there than Hasek, and this year, they are more comfortable with Conklin. With comfort comes looseness and the ability to play the system as it needs to be. I don't know... either version is debatably true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Secret 304 Report post Posted February 19, 2009 (edited) Osgood makes a few great saves per game and also let's in a few softies, or "bad bouces" per game as well. For the most part Conklin is just able to keep more of the "bad bounces" out of the net and under control. Osgood's head in not in the game, nor is he playing the game like he can. His mechanics are off, he is frustrated, he is trying to do too much. Kovalev was given a few days away from hockey to get his head together... maybe this is what they should give to Osgood too? Some time away from the pressure and spot light to decompress and come back with a fresh start... sounds crazy but it just might work? Or just continue to shove him out there to continue to implode game in and game out... that might work too? I also do not believe the D plays any different with Osgood in net compared to Conklin. Conklin is saving their mistakes, Osgood is not able to. Edited February 19, 2009 by The Secret Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWingAbner 13 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Osgood's poor rebound control creates alot of the chances against him. A play that Conklin stops can become a scramble quickly when Ozzie fluffs a pop fly meant for his glove. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stolsanov 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Well i remember last year in the playoffs when Hasek was in the D struggled in them 2 games that they lost against Nashville. Then they put in Osgood the D seemed to play better. Also Osgood was playing good but the D looked more confident. I dont know what the deal is this year whether its Osgood or the D but they both look pretty bad when Osgood is in net. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 If you ask me, both of our goaltenders have been giving up way too many rebounds, and I really hope one or both of them gets than under control soon. However, Conklin's positioning has been better than Osgood's, and Conklin has also looked like the quicker goaltender all season. Conklin basically did nothing special last night, but there was one point in the game where Conks took a shot from the point with 2 or 3 bodies screening him and he ate up the rebound. And I thought to myself "that save is going to go unnoticed as nothing more than the type of save 'a goaltender should make' and yet those are exactly the kind of pucks that have been going in our net." It may just be those little plays that are the difference between Conks letting in ~2 goals a game as opposed to Ozzie's 3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 A play that Conklin stops can become a scramble quickly when Ozzie fluffs a pop fly meant for his glove. For the most part Conklin is just able to keep more of the "bad bounces" out of the net and under control. Yeah these two points really stand out to me too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Does the overall team defense seem to play better in front of Ty Conklin? I mean, last nights game i think conks was really tested like 1-2 times tops. While ozzy seems to get quite a bit more quality chances on him, and sees more defensive lapses in front of him. Or maybe im just blinded by my love for ozzy and im making up excuses for him... what do you guys think? p.s. i dont mean to create another goalie thread, but just wanted to share my thoughts Somewhat. With stuff like this I refuse to just have one true scapegoat. Osgood has not been good of course, but the defense hasn't been the sharpest in front of him either throughout the year. A little of column A, a little of column B, etc. Osgood has got some bad flukey bounces a bit more it seems. However, he seems to let in a bit more juicy rebound attempts as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vincanni 1 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Seems to me Osgood's continual inconsistency to control the rebound forces the defense to play differently and definitely not for the better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ComradeWasabi 109 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Every time I watch Osgood's left hand flailing around as a puck goes through him I cringe. Ultimately the difference between Osgood and Conklin is that the number of "bad" goals that get through Conklin is lower than the number of "bad" goals that get through Osgood. Second chances, clearing rebounds, heavily screened shots and deflections are issues that the defense needs to sort out; if the goalie (whoever it is that night) makes the saves he's "supposed" to make, then I think it's almost certain the Wings' GA count would be quite a bit lower. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheOwl 77 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 All things considered, Conklin is rock solid. I would have to think he'll be the starter in the play-offs. Ozzy needs more big pressure on him, so give him one last chance. Give him the start against San Jose. Not only is San Jose Detroits biggest threat, but chances are whoever wins that game will win the West, and 1st place. A huge game seeing that in a 7 games series, if San Jose has home ice advantage, they'll likely take it. Give Ozzy the start, if he lets in more then 3 goals, he's out, Conklin is the man. It should be made abundantly clear. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 All things considered, Conklin is rock solid. I would have to think he'll be the starter in the play-offs. Ozzy needs more big pressure on him, so give him one last chance. Give him the start against San Jose. Not only is San Jose Detroits biggest threat, but chances are whoever wins that game will win the West, and 1st place. A huge game seeing that in a 7 games series, if San Jose has home ice advantage, they'll likely take it. Give Ozzy the start, if he lets in more then 3 goals, he's out, Conklin is the man. It should be made abundantly clear. So, TheOwl, I pose to you a multiple-part question then. If Osgood does start that game, and he plays a great game and wins it, and allows 2 or fewer goals...does it mean the end of your Osgood bashing? Or, by the same token, of Conklin starts the game, and gives up 3+ goals on fewer than 25-30 shots, including a couple that he should have stopped, and due to his bad play the Wings lose or score a ton to come away with the win...do you then react as you have been to Osgood's few games that have fit that description? Does Conklin lose his status as the 'anointed' goaltender on LGW? And what happens if neither of those things happens? Tell me, TheOwl...if the Wings win, and Osgood plays well and makes solid saves, but due to ridiculous defensive mistakes the Wings allow 3 goals Osgood had zero chance on (such as a 2 on 0 breakaway while the Sharks are shorthanded), is he guaranteed out as starter? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XxGoWingsxX 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Honestly, I agree with what someone else said. They've lost their confidence in oz. In front of conks, they know what they can and can't get away with on the defensive side because they know IF they happen to make a mistake, they feel conks will be able to bail them out...therefore their mind is set on doing one thing and being confident in it as opposed to having to worry about what the guy will do to get around them AND what happens if he does...how would he go about stopping a probable shot? I think it boils down to overall confidence. They lose confidence in ozzy? They lose confidence in the team overall. They have confidence in conks? They seem to show it in their play don't they? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DuckSoup13 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Does the overall team defense seem to play better in front of Ty Conklin? I mean, last nights game i think conks was really tested like 1-2 times tops. While ozzy seems to get quite a bit more quality chances on him, and sees more defensive lapses in front of him. Or maybe im just blinded by my love for ozzy and im making up excuses for him... what do you guys think? p.s. i dont mean to create another goalie thread, but just wanted to share my thoughts I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THIS. When Conks is in net the team seems to play better as a whole. He gives them a certain "lift" when he's in vs Ozzy. The players seem to play more focused and determined with Conks in net. I was just talking to some friends about this the other day so it's funny you started this thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clutchngrab 12 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 Seems to me Osgood's continual inconsistency to control the rebound forces the defense to play differently and definitely not for the better. Especially since our D is not overly physical and relies on positioning. If you give up a fat one, then its gonna find the twine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HomeNugget 2 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 I don't think they trust Osgood as much as Conklin therefore there are more mistakes and letdowns in defense when Osgood is there... just my 2. Ah, the ol' the defense doesn't trust Osgood so in an attempt to play better defense they play worse defense argument. I don't buy this for one second. Osgood just hasn't played well. That's all there is to it. I've seen Osgood make a lot of great saves that make me think he's starting to turn it around, but then a minute or two later he'll let in a soft goal. That's been his season in a nutshell. Great saves and soft goals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms_Hockey 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) I really don't think it has anything to do with the team losing confidence in the goaltender. Teams just don't function that way. They don't blame their teammates for losing games, the way we do here on the forums. They don't ostracize and pick on Osgood after he lets in pucks. They don't want to serve his head on a silver platter to Gary Bettman, in the hopes of him disappearing for good. They're a team. They win as a team - they lose as a team. I'm sure they ALL know Osgood is struggling.. but I don't think a veteran professional ice hockey player is stupid enough to lose so much confidence in the guy who JUST won them the Stanley Cup that they let it affect their play to the point where they go on losing streaks. The whole idea just sounds too immature to me. They've been in this business for way too long to let it get under their skin like that. Edited February 20, 2009 by Ms_Hockey Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
