betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted April 17, 2009 That's because you looked at his vitals and never once read any scouting report about him. He's a bigger Kronwall minus the riverboat gambling in the hits department. No, I read scouting reports, I just misinterpreted "moved from forward to defense" as "pretty oafish and useless on offense." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted April 17, 2009 Doesn't sound much like a scouting report to me. His mobility and ability to handle the puck and move the puck has always been a trademark of his. A couple years ago Nill said that E reminded him of a 2nd pairing version of Jay Bouwmeester, but a bit bigger. Bouwmeester is just about anything but oafish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted April 18, 2009 No, I read scouting reports, I just misinterpreted "moved from forward to defense" as "pretty oafish and useless on offense." You must have read some pretty short scouting reports. The reports I read included (paraphrased) "Moved from forward to defense due to his size, general skill, and hockey smarts." Basically Ericsson was moved to defense because it was more useful to have someone with his abilities manning the blueline. Moving Ericsson is like Mark Howe; he wasn't moved because he couldn't play where he was. He was moved because the team needed him elsewhere. Howe began in the WHA in 1973 playing left wing, and by 1976 was a defenseman full-time. Had he not suffered the injury he did in December 1980, he might be considered among the greatest defensemen ever, on par with Bourque, Lidstrom, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daniel1 32 Report post Posted April 18, 2009 He better be here to stay. He's looked very good ever since being called up. I'd love to see more hitting from him, though, considering his big frame. At this point Meech and Lebda are nothing more than seat fillers. Also, Chelios will probably not be back next season. Cheli will be back next year, but not with Detroit. My guess is he finishes in Chicago to give them the "depth and experience" they'll claim they need after losing in the 2nd round this year. I agree that Meech and Lebda don't seem to have much more potential than they've already shown us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GROwl 5 Report post Posted April 18, 2009 "Moved from forward to defense due to his size, general skill, and hockey smarts." Basically Ericsson was moved to defense because it was more useful to have someone with his abilities manning the blueline. In a radio interview a few years ago just after he came to GR, Jonathan described it with a bit more humor. He said that his dad was his coach back in Sweden. Several of his team members were out with injury/illness and they were short on the blue line. So his dad said that he had to play D that night. Hakan Andersson happened to be at that game, scouting a guy on the opposing team. I think the guy ended up not playing...and Hakan Andersson's attention switched to Jonathan. That was the end of Ericsson's career as a forward. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CenterIce 83 Report post Posted April 18, 2009 Babcock thought he could have been in the NHL 2 years ago. http://www.theoaklandpress.com/articles/20...3e466194925.txt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted April 18, 2009 Finally somebody else that shares my vision of stuart being dealt.He hasn't lived up the to the contract that he was given,and somebody like the lightning could use a a d-man like him.Ericsson will more than fill his void,as he is faster,should get more pp time as samuelsson could be on his way out after this season.It also helps that he is physical,and seems less injury and mistake prone than stuart.It'll free up 3.75 million that we could use as a buffer in case the cap comes down.I would really like to see cheli let go,and kept around as a mentor to the younger guys,and hopefully they'll keep lebda as hes not that bad for a 5-7th d-man. Lebda on the Red Wings as anything other than a 6th/7th defenseman whose spot is entirely based on how he is playing is too high. He is at best equal to Meech and is more than two years older. Ideally Lebda would be traded to a team that could use him in the top six and would give up something for him. The Wings can then sign Chelios as a part-time, minimum-wager and allow Meech to play 40-50 games or more depending on injuries while Chelios serves as a mentor who is cheaper than Lebda. The Wings only need to carry 7 defensemen, so why waste a spot on Lebda when he's no better than Meech or Chelios, costs the most, and isn't going to GET any better. Hell, I said before the season to trade Lebda and keep defensive, physical Quincey who is a skilled puckhandler capable of taking an offensive role; how would that have worked out? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LIDDYGIBBY5 1 Report post Posted April 19, 2009 Finally somebody else that shares my vision of stuart being dealt.He hasn't lived up the to the contract that he was given,and somebody like the lightning could use a a d-man like him.Ericsson will more than fill his void,as he is faster,should get more pp time as samuelsson could be on his way out after this season.It also helps that he is physical,and seems less injury and mistake prone than stuart.It'll free up 3.75 million that we could use as a buffer in case the cap comes down.I would really like to see cheli let go,and kept around as a mentor to the younger guys,and hopefully they'll keep lebda as hes not that bad for a 5-7th d-man. There is a reason why Stuart has played for so many teams. He has the talent to be wanted by another team, plus moving him generally has upside to the team he is signed with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NomadFromKazoo 42 Report post Posted April 19, 2009 do you think J ericsson will stay in wings lineup for years now? Yes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted April 19, 2009 Lebda on the Red Wings as anything other than a 6th/7th defenseman whose spot is entirely based on how he is playing is too high. He is at best equal to Meech and is more than two years older. Ideally Lebda would be traded to a team that could use him in the top six and would give up something for him. The Wings can then sign Chelios as a part-time, minimum-wager and allow Meech to play 40-50 games or more depending on injuries while Chelios serves as a mentor who is cheaper than Lebda. The Wings only need to carry 7 defensemen, so why waste a spot on Lebda when he's no better than Meech or Chelios, costs the most, and isn't going to GET any better. Hell, I said before the season to trade Lebda and keep defensive, physical Quincey who is a skilled puckhandler capable of taking an offensive role; how would that have worked out? You actually want Chelios back? Wow... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted April 19, 2009 To answer the OP......YESSSS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zion 93 Report post Posted April 19, 2009 You actually want Chelios back? Wow... Absolutely. It would be like Chelios/Fischer Part II. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted April 19, 2009 You actually want Chelios back? Wow... Sharing third-pair time with Meech for a minimum-wage salary as a replacement for a Lebda trade? You bet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JeeSpot82 10 Report post Posted April 19, 2009 The defense next season will hopefully consist of: A top five of: Nick Lidstrom, Brian Rafalski, Nik Kronwall, Jonathan Ericsson, Andreas Lilja Only one of Brett Lebda or Chris Chelios; preferably with Lebda traded for pick(s) and/or prospect(s) and Chelios signed at league minimum to replace him on the roster. Derek Meech, splitting games with Lebda/Chelios and possibly also serving as a spare forward depending on injuries and whether the cap is increased. Ideally Brad Stuart is traded for pick(s) and/or prospect(s) as part of manuevering to arrange for cap space to retain the free agents Holland intends to keep, as Stuart is the number one playr the Wings should trade as compared to his cap hit, future potential, and potential replacements the team has. Brad Stuart has a no trade clause through 2010. He'll be in Detroit for at least another season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted April 19, 2009 Brad Stuart has a no trade clause through 2010. He'll be in Detroit for at least another season. I KNOW he has a no-trade clause. That doesn't mean he's untradeable. It just means that if he doesn't want to be traded, the Wings probably have to trade one or both of Kronwall and Filppula; unless they can trade Cleary, who also has a NTC. As I have repeatedly said: Stuart has the worst value to cap hit ratio, and also the highest cap hit, among players who are not core players and would make a difference regarding the cap. If they can't open the space they need, it's bye bye Hossa because they paid Franzen too much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xBrave_Heartx 0 Report post Posted April 19, 2009 Keep in mind, we have Kindl who might make the team next year. who knows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted April 19, 2009 Absolutely. It would be like Chelios/Fischer Part II. Yes, yes. Chelios is still reliable in his own zone, and that's all we need him to be. With Big E providing the Big O, Cheli being the stay at home guy, we'd have a killer combo. The only downside is we dont' know how Chelios would perform with extended minutes. He's been pretty much forced to a minimal role the past few years and I'm not sure if that's becausae he can't handle the longer minutes (he seems to be able to in the few games he's required to play a lot) or because we just don't really have room for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted April 20, 2009 Yes, yes. Chelios is still reliable in his own zone, and that's all we need him to be. With Big E providing the Big O, Cheli being the stay at home guy, we'd have a killer combo. The only downside is we dont' know how Chelios would perform with extended minutes. He's been pretty much forced to a minimal role the past few years and I'm not sure if that's becausae he can't handle the longer minutes (he seems to be able to in the few games he's required to play a lot) or because we just don't really have room for him. I agree with this, although I won't comment on how many ways Big E provides the Big O. Cheli is still responsible defensively. I consider Meech and Lebda as the 2 most tradeable Wings. If Stuie won't waive his NTC, which will depend entirely on who is looking at him, these 2 can be traded for pics/prospects. Their salary is minimal, so they don't provide the cap relief that Stuart would, but it clears up roster space for Ericsson and another relief forward (I'm thinking about Downey here, but it could be anyone who is up-and-coming in GR as well) at roughly about the same cap hit. As far as E goes, I hope to see him in the Winged Wheel for a very, very long time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest lilja4mvp Report post Posted April 20, 2009 you people are delusional. chelios is done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted April 20, 2009 you people are delusional. chelios is done. Unfortunately, I think you are correct that he is done. I don't see him signing with the Wings, and I'm not sure who will take him otherwise. I still stand by what I said; I just don't think that it will come to fruition. As far as being delusional: I can't speak for everyone, but as a Lions fan, I have to agree with you about me! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted April 20, 2009 Unfortunately, I think you are correct that he is done. I don't see him signing with the Wings, and I'm not sure who will take him otherwise. Cheli might be like Steve Duchesne after the 02 cup run. In today's game that really emphasizes speed, who would want him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T.OWingsFan 7 Report post Posted April 20, 2009 Lidstrom-Rafalski Kronwall-Ericsson Fisher-Stuart What could have been. I'm worried about our bad luck with our tough defencemen. Good luck to Jonathan I hope it never touches him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted April 20, 2009 He better be here to stay. He's looked very good ever since being called up. I'd love to see more hitting from him, though, considering his big frame. At this point Meech and Lebda are nothing more than seat fillers. Also, Chelios will probably not be back next season. Fixed it for you. Holland has all but said he won't re-sign Chelios. He's going to keep playing, but if its in the NHL it'll be with a different team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted April 20, 2009 (edited) Lidstrom-Rafalski Kronwall-Ericsson Fisher-Stuart What could have been. I'm worried about our bad luck with our tough defencemen. Good luck to Jonathan I hope it never touches him. Fisch would be making a good chunk of change right now if he were still in hockey, doubtful the Wings would have re-signed Stuart. EDIT: This being in the fantasy universe where he was just dropped on the '09 Wings, no telling how the team would have been different over the years if he'd been on it. Edited April 20, 2009 by Heroes of Hockeytown Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted April 20, 2009 Keep in mind, we have Kindl who might make the team next year. who knows. Not a chance. Kindl still needs to get his defensive woes under control AND he's still got eligibility in the minors so there's little chance they bring him up unless there's significant turnover in the defense (as in they lose multiple 3rd pairing players and a 2nd pairing player). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites